same starting passages different kritis

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satyabalu
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same starting passages different kritis

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* I intend to initiate discussion on multiple kritis beginning with same words.
* start with what I know of.
* Gajavadhana -Hamsadhwani-PD& Gajavadhana-Sriranjani-PS.Gajavadha-Todi-Etendrar?
*Etavunara Kalyani-T ,Etavunara-Y.Kamboji-?
*Tolinejesina -suddabangala &Tolinenu-Kokiladhwani.

Lakshman
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Re: same starting passages different kritis

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There will be literally hundreds of samples depending upon how many starting words (2, 3 or more) are the same.

vasanthakokilam
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Re: same starting passages different kritis

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Upacharamu..... is the classic.

upacAramu jEsEvAr(u)nnAr(a)ni
upacAramulanu cEkona(v)ayya

same starting words ( sort of ), same composer, same raga. Referred to by some people as 'Chinna Upacharamu' (the small one ) or 'Periya upacharamu' ( the big one)

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Re: same starting passages different kritis

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Brochevarevarura- Kamas, Brochevarevare ninnu vina- SriRanjani

satyabalu
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Re: same starting passages different kritis

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*Mohana (rama) T ,Mohana(kara Muthukumara)-? Kotiswara Iyer.
* Abayamba Vibhakthi kritis Thiagaraja kritis,Nilothpala ...
* Enthanerchina-T /???
* Devi Neeye thunai-Kirvani-PS.Devi Nee padasarasamuley-Kamboji-SS.
Devi sri tulasamma-MMGowlai-T.
*Mamava karnaya-Shunmugapriya-ST.
Mamava meenakshi-Varali-MD.
*Deva deva jagadheeswara-purvi kalyani,Deva deva Kalayamithe-MMI-ST.

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Re: same starting passages different kritis

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I agree with Lakshmanji's comments above and go further by saying this is a totally futile exercise.

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Re: same starting passages different kritis

Post by vasanthakokilam »

There is a bit of a curiosity that varnam starting words seem to be re-used much more so than other song types. Ninnu kori, vanajakshi, chalamela, sami ninne etc. Any reason or speculation as to why that may be the case ( other than just pure coincidence! )?
I do realize there is a variety like Evvari Bodhana, Era Naapi, Valachi Vacchi, Viriboni, Nera Nammithi etc. but somehow it feels like varnam words are reused more. I have not done an actual count myself, so it may just be an illusion due to the small set of varnams that are commonly sung.

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Re: same starting passages different kritis

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It is easier to list the similarities in the varNAs rather than kritis. I can post a list soon.

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Re: same starting passages different kritis

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    mohan wrote:I agree with Lakshmanji's comments above and go further by saying this is a totally futile exercise.
    * Request not to stop the curiosity/ initiative of persons from sharing knowledge /trying to become analytical. :!:

    Lakshman
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    Re: same starting passages different kritis

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    varNAs:

    Anai mAmukhanE aNNalE. rAgA: hamsadhvani. k/aTa tALA. Composer: K.Natesa Pillai.
    Anai mAmukhanE aruLaganE. rAgA: gambhIranATa. Adi tALA. Composer: Varaghur Muttukumarasami.
    Anai mukhanE Adum aran. rAgA: sarasvati. Adi tALA. Composer: M.Ranganayaki.
    Anai mukhanE un pAdamE. rAgA: kanakAngi. Adi tALA. Composer: T.K.Govinda Rao.

    Ananda darishanam. rAgA: nAgasvarAvaLi. Adi tALA. Composer: Gitamani/T.M.Thiagarajan.
    Ananda mahA gaNapatE. rAgA: simhEndramadhyam. Adi tALA. Compoer: GitamaniT.M.Thiagarajan.
    Ananda naTanam. rAgA: bauLi. Adi tALA. Composer: Pattamadai Krishna Iyer.
    Ananda naTarAjan. rAgA: nATa. Adi tALA. Composer: Madurai T.Shrinivasan.
    Ananda naTamADinAr kanaka. rAgA: bauLi. Adi tALA. Composer: Pattamadai Krishna Iyer.
    Ananda tANDava nAthan. rAgA: kAmbhOji. Adi tALA. Composer: C.S.Natarajasundaram Pillai.
    Anandabhairavi amba. rAgA: Anandabhairavi. Adi tALA. Composer: B.K.Padmanabha Rao.

    dAni kOrikEnu (pv). rAgA: vasantA. jhampa tALA. Composer: Poochi Iyengar.
    dAni sAmajEndra (pv). rAgA: tODi. Adi tALA. Composer: Svati Tirunal.
    dAni sATi pOTi lEdurA (pv). rAgA: tODi. Adi tALA. Composer: Sivanandam.

    daya lEda nApai. rAgA: behAg. Adi tALA. Composer: Mysore Vasudevachar.
    daya jEsuTaku idi. rAgA: jayantashrI. Adi tALA. Composer: Pattamadai Krishna Iyer.
    dayajEyumu nAmIda. rAgA: sarasvati. Adi tALA. Composer: B.M.Sundaram (Gurukrupa).
    daya jUDavamma dEvi. rAgA: shrI. t/aTa tALA. Composer: Kadalur Subramaniam.
    daya jUDavayya ninnE (pv). rAgA: kuntalavarALi. Adi tALA. Composer: Chitravina Ravikiran.

    dEvAdi dEvA ena. rAgA: manOranjani. k/aTa tALA. Composer: Tirupur R.Subramaniam.
    dEvAdi dEvA naTarAjA (pv). rAgA: SaNmukhapriyA. Adi tALA. Composer: Vinai Shesha Iyer.
    dEvAdi dEvam shrI. rAgA: ritigauLa. k/aTa tALA. Composer: Krishna Sharma.

    dEvi gaurImanOhari. rAgA: gaurimanOhari. Adi tALA. Composer: Kadalur Subramaniam.
    dEvi kAvAi shrI. rAgA: sunAdavinOdini. c/rUpaka tALA. Composer: Dharmapuram A.Govindarajan.
    dEvi mAm paripAlaya. rAgA: dIpaka. Adi tALA. Composer: C.Rangiah.
    dEvi mInalOcani. rAgA: jaganmOhini. Adi tALA. Composer: Kadalur Subramaniam.
    dEvi pAdamE. rAgA: dEvagAndhAri. Adi tALA. Composer: Lalgudi Jayaraman.
    dEvi shrI kAmAkSi. rAgA: valaji. Adi tALA. Not known.
    dEvI shrI kamalAkSi (pv). rAgA: tODi. Adi tALA. Composer: Vinai Shesha Iyer.
    dEvI shrI rAjarAjEshvarI (dv). rAgA: nATakuranji. Adi tALA. Composer: Vinai Shesha Iyer.
    dEvi shrI sarasvati. rAgA: ranjani. Adi tALA. Composer: Shrivaikuntham S.Paramashivam Pillai.
    dEvI tvAmyada (tv). rAgA: dhanyAsi. k/aTa tALA. Composer: not known.

    E maguva bOdhincenurA (pv). rAgA: punnAgavarALi. Adi tALA. Composer: not known.
    E maguva bOdhincerA (pv). rAgA: dhanyAsi. Adi tALA. Composer: Mysore Sadashiva Rao/Chinniah.
    E mAya cEsitivO. rAgA: mALavi. Adi tALA. Composer: R.Venugopal.
    E mOhanAngi bOdhincera. rAgA: kAmbhOji. Adi tALA. Composer: Not known.
    E nAdamulO I sakala. rAgA: nATa. Adi tALA. Composer: M.Balamuralikrishna.

    Ela nannecEvu (cv). rAgA: pUrNacandrikA. rUpaka tALA. Composer: Ramasvami Dikshitar.
    Ela nApai nIku. rAgA: pUrvikalyANi. k/aTa tALA. Composer: Bangalore Vishvanath.
    Ela nE vAni (cv). rAgA: sAvEri. Adi tALA. Composer: Tiger Varadachari.
    Ela nI dayarAdu centa. rAgA: AndOLikA. Adi tALA. Copmposer: Kadalur Subramaniam.
    Ela nI dayarAdu pATalIsha. rAgA: khamAs. Adi tALA. Composer: Kadalur Subramaniam.

    enda nEramum sAmiyai. rAgA: shankarAbharaNa. k/aTa tALA. Composer: K.Ponniah Pillai.
    enda vELaiyum. rAgA: shuddhasImantini. Adi tALA. Composer: Varaghur Muttukumarasami.

    enduku bhajana. rAgA: nATa. Adi tALA. Composer: B.K.Padmanabha Rao.
    enduku nanniTu jEsEvura. rAgA: rAmapriyA. k/tripuTa tALA. Composer: Mysore Vasudevachar.

    EnO edilum kavalai. rAgA: kApi. Adi tALA. Composer: “Paripuranan”.
    EnO inda tAmadam. rAgA: hindOLa. Adi tALA. Composer: Padma Veeraraghavan.

    entani nE delupudurA (pv). rAgA: khamAs. t/Eka tALA. Composer: Subbarama Dikshitar.
    entani tALukOdura. rAgA:yadukulakAmbhOji. k/aTa tALA. Compser: Not known.

    entO prEmatO nE pilacite. rAgA: suraTi. Adi tALA. Composer: Vinai Kuppier/Tiruvettiyur Tyagayya.
    EntO prEmatOnu. rAgA: bahudAri. Adi tALA. Composer: Lalgudi Jayaraman.

    Era nA sAmi (nakSatra varNa). rAgamAlikA. Adi tALA. Composer: Bangalora Vishvanath.
    Era nApai inta cauka. rAgA: tODi. Adi tALA. Composer: Patnam Subramania Iyer/Kottavasal Venkatarama Iyer.
    Era nApai inta kOpamElarA. rAgA: mukhAri. Adi tALA. Composer: Pallavi Doraisvami Iyer.
    ErA nAtOnu mODi. rAgA: shankarAbharaNa. Adi tALA. Composer: Not knon.

    evari bOdhana vini IlAku. rAgA: AbhOgi. Adi tALA. Composer: Patnam Subramania Iyer.
    evari bOdhana vini nAtO. rAgA: udayaravicandrikA. Adi tALA. Composer: L.Raja Rao.

    evarunnAru nannu (tv). rAgA: nalinakAnti. Adi tALA. Composer: Mysore Vasudevachar.
    evarunnAru pAlincuTaku. rAgA: nIlamaNi. Adi tALA. Composer: Madurai G.S.Mani.
    evarunnAnurA enduku. rAgA: navarasakannaDa. Adi tALA. Composer: Mysore Vasudevachar.

    gaNanAthA nin. rAgA: gauLa. Adi tALA. Composer: Mayuram Vishvanatha Shastri.
    gaNanAthA nIyE. rAgA: dEvagAndhAri. Adi tALA. Composer: T.R.Subramaniam.

    gauri paramEshvari. rAgA: asAvEri. Adi tALA. Composer: Pattamadai Krishna Iyer.
    gaurI tanayA gajamukhA. rAgA: rItigauLa. Adi tALA. Composer: MangaLam gaNapati.

    inka calamElanayya. rAgA: cakravAka. k/aTa tALA. Composer: Patnam Subramania Iyer.
    inka dayarAdA sAmi. rAgA: kApi Adi tALA. Composer: Chitravina Ravikiran.

    inta aluka jEsitE. rAgA: nATakuranji. k/aTa tALA. Composer: Kuvanasvami Ayya.
    inta aluka jEsitEnE. rAgA: trivENi. Adi tALA. Composer: B.M.Sundaram (Gurukrupa).
    inta cAlamEla. rAgA: navarOj. ADi tALA. Composer: Not known.
    inta calamu Emi. rAgA: rItigauLa. Adi tALA. Composer: B.K.Padmanabha Rao.
    inta calamu jEsitE. rAgA: bEgaDa. Adi tALA. Composer: Vinai Kuppier.
    inta calamu sEya tagunA. rAgA: suraTi. c/aTa tALA. Composer: K.Ponniah Pillai.
    inta calamu sEyaga idi. rAgA: kAmbhOji. k/aTa tALA. Composer: Pallavi Gopala Iyer.

    inta cauka sEya idi. rAgA: bilahari. Adi tALA. Composer: Vinai Kuppier/Tiruvettiyur Tyagayya.
    inta cauka sEya nIku. rAgA: kAmavardhani. Adi tALA. Composer: Mysore Sadashiva Rao.
    inta kannaDa jEtuvura. rAgA: sAvEri. k/aTa tALA. Composer: Tiruvarur Rmasvami Dikshitar.
    inta kOpamElarA (pv). rAgA: tODi. Adi tALA. Composer: Pandanainallur Minakshisundaram Pillai.
    inta kOpamElarA mA. rAgamAlikA. Adi tALA. Composer: Kalahasti Venkatasami Raju.
    inta mODi ElarA. rAgA: darbAr. k/aTa tALA. Composer: Subbarama Dikshitar.
    inta mODi jEsEvu. rAgA: bEgaDA. Adi tALA. Composer: B.K.Padmanabha Rao.
    inta mODi jEsitE. rAgA: vEgavAhini. Adi tALA. Composere: Not known.
    inta mODi sEya. rAgA: sArangA. Adi tALA. Composer: Tiruvettiyur Tyagayya.
    inta parAkElanammA. rAgA: kuntalavarALi. Adi tALA. Composer: Calcutta K.S.Krishnamurti.
    inta parAkElarA. rAgA: nATakuranji. k/aTa tALA. Composer: Vinai Kuppier/Tiruvettiyur Tyagayya.
    inta pATumaitE. rAgA: shahAnA. Adi tALA. Composer: Susarla Dakshinamurti Shastri.
    inta priyamuganunna. rAgA: bEgaDA. k/aTa tALA. Composer: Tiruvarur Ayyasami Nattuvanar.
    inta tAmasa. rAgA: kannaDa. Adi tALA. Composer: Lalgudi Jayaraman.


    angayarkkaNNi (navarasa varNa). rAgamAlikA. Adi tALA. Composer: Lalgudi Jayaraman.
    angayarkkaNNiyE. rAgA: behAg. Adi tALA. Composer: S.Ramanathan.

    annai kalpakam (pv). rAgA: hamsadhvani. Adi tALA. Composer: Rukmini Ramani.
    annai mInAkSiyE. rAgA: kalyANi. Adi tALA. Composer: Madurai T.Shrinivasan.

    annaiyE akhilANDEshvari. rAgA: shankarAbharaNa. Adi tALA. Composer: Tirupur R.Subramaniam.
    annaiyE nI tAn. rAgA: dhanyAsi. Adi tALA. Composer: Nagarkovil Arunachalam Pillai.
    annaiyE unaiyE. rAgA: dvijAvanti. Adi tALA. Composer: T.R.|Subrmaniam.

    annamE aravAbharaNanai. rAgA: Arabhi. Adi tALA. Composer: Tiger Varadachari.
    annamE aruginil vA. (pv). rAgA: valaji. Adi tALA. Composer: Subbudu.
    annamE nI dayavAi (pv). rAgA: SaNmukhapriyA. Adi tALA. Composer: Rajee Narayan.

    aruL pArayyA apAra. rAgA: bilahari. Adi tALA. Composer: Kotishvara Iyer.
    aruL tArAi annaiyE. rAgA: latAngi. Adi tALA. Composer: M.Ranganayaki.

    bhAvayE shrI raghurAmam (tv). rAgA: hamsadhvani. Adi tALA. Composeer: Vinai Shesha Iyer.
    bhAvayE yadukla tilakam (pv). rAgA: yamunAkalyANi. Adi tALA. Composer: Vinai Shesha Iyer.

    cAla nammina (cv). rAgA: yadukulakAmbhOji. Adi tALA. Composer: PanchapakEsha Bhagavatar.
    cAla ninnE nammina. rAgA: kEdAra. k/aTa tALA. Composer: Tiger Varadachari.
    cAla valaci (varNa). rAgA: maNirangu. t/Eka tALA. Composer: Pallavi Shesha Iyer.

    calamEla jEsEvayya. rAgA: nATakuranji. Adi tALA. Composer: Mulaividu Rangasami Nattuvanar.
    calamEla jEsEvu idi. rAgA: khamAs. Adi tALA. Composer: Vadivelu.
    calamEla jEsEvu. rAgA: nArAyaNagauLa. Adi tALA. Composer: Muttiah Bhagavatar.
    calamEla jEsEvu sAmi. rAgA: kIravANi. Adi tALA. Composer: Patnam Subramania Iyer/Ummidichetti Venkatasami Naidu.
    calamEla jEsEvurA cAla. rAgA: darbAr. Adi tALA. Composer: Vinai Kuppier/Tiruvettiyur Tyagayya.
    calamEla jEsEvura cAla ninnE. rAgA: bilahari. Adi tALA. Composer: Mysore Vasudevachar.
    calamEla jEsEvurA idi. rAgA: khamAs. Adi tALA. Composer: Svati Tirunal.
    calamEla jEsEvurA nAmIda. rAgA: kEdAra. Adi tALA. Composer: Mysore R.N.Doresvami.
    calamEla jEsEvurA nA sAmi. rAgA: nArAyaNagauLa. Adi tALA. Composer: Muttiah Bhagavatar.
    calamEla jEsEvurA. rAgA: shankarAbharaNa. k/aTa tALA. Composer: Svati Tirunal/Vadivelu.


    calamu jEsina (pv). rAgA: rAmapriyA. Adi tALA. Composer: M.Balamuralikrishna.
    calamu jEsitE (pv). rAgA: Anandabhairavi. Adi tALA. Composer: Chinniah.
    calamu jEsEti. rAgA: kAmavardhani. k/aTa tALA. Composer: Ponniah Pillai.
    calamu jEsina (pv). rAgA: rAmapriyA. Adi tALA. Composer: M.Balamuralikrishna.
    calamu sEyanEla. rAgA: valaji. Adi tALA. Composer: Lalgudi Jayaraman.

    satyabalu
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    Re: same starting passages different kritis

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    * Thanks Lakshman!

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