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@parivadini Lalitharam
Many inclusive of you have talked a lot with me about Thi Janakiraman. Since I cannot read fast and give up on tamil writing soon , my interest on tamil literature is not even at times taking off. You are too far far away in skills there.

Very recently about few weeks back one of my friend Sriram from US, who i lookup a lot in understanding nuances of film music did send me a small 20 mins snippet link of a small short story written by Thi Janakiraman

The 20 mins snippet of a short story by name Seidhi where the whole short story is a running commentary of a nadaswara vidwan struggle to preserve purity of art and a carnatic music appreciation of a thyagaraja krithi written by Thi Janakiraman. This tamil snippet was read by bharathi bhaskar,Tx to her I could get the richness of both content and presentation .

I am wondering how come Thi Janakiraman wrote with such flow and content, one can almost hear the concert with his short story writing .i personally liked it .All these narrations should be externalized to all the non carnatic listeners who generally have a liking of tamil/films/dramas etc to know the greatness of how deep is Carnatic Music.

I am very glad to know through you that Thi Janakiraman likes ganAkaladhara Madurai Mani Iyer. May be he felt then in 1960s, let the world know about MMI and hence gave this commentary in English. His English narration is great .What a joy to hear anyone speaking about one and only MMI. Just a quick question, if he has written any reviews of any musicians or vaggeyakkaras atleast cherrypick and put it in the respective thread in rasikas, space it once or twice a week please.

Tx to Corona i may just read or hear more of this and get into the world of Thi Janakiraman or a better idea is as soon as the corona is over just like your exemplary MMI/GNB/Somu lecdems possibly dedicate only to Thi Janakiraman a lecdem .YOu can be assisted by VishnuRamprasad helping with the snippets of carnatic music packaged . Narration, Reviews and commentary is still not upto the mark compared to actual musical content of CM. All these emulations of Thi Janakiramans could be big game changers to pull more into CM

Just one final thought whenever you put a link just write atleast few lines on what that is in a short synopsis . Thanks to your above link which is MMI- Introduction and narration by Thi Janakiraman in English.

Over to 22 mins Thi Janakiraman short story "Seidhi" in Tamil narration based on nadaswara vidwans and appreciation of carnatic music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7JLZo52E3k

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This is a short story in Tamizh by Thi.Janakiraman.
''Ayiram piraikaLukku appaal'. It is a parody on the state of CM in the post-1970 generation. His preference for pre-ARI music and HM is clearly brought out .
https://www.valaitamil.com/aayiram-pira ... _1829.html
Janakiraman's Thamizh cannot be translated into any other language- it has to be read in Thamizh only.
Will it help, if I give a transliteration?
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In this story, an old typewriter ,oldest in the company talks about its owner Lokanatha Iyer and his tastes in HM and CM of old times.
Then it talks about ARI style of concerts and finally of the post 1970 generation of keyboard music. ( derisively).

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Thi.jaa. about Madurai Mani (in Tamil)
https://s-pasupathy.blogspot.com/2020/06/1556-234.html

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Pasupathy wrote: 03 Jul 2020, 17:52 Thi.jaa. about Madurai Mani (in Tamil)
https://s-pasupathy.blogspot.com/2020/06/1556-234.html
Thank you pasupathy Sir. THi jaa has written very concisely as a great eulogy . 2 musicians of himalayan stature who died in 60's one GNB and another MMI did not have that much recordings due to absence of technology and to an extent untimely death. Also the last few years of MMI he also had his ailment. I am assuming thi jaa may have even attended MMI concerts when MMI camped in mayavaram due to fear of world war II .

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The pallavi tAnam and svaraprastara is of the highest order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63HwwUyRc_0

Don't miss this :

https://youtu.be/63HwwUyRc_0?t=3731 - My god! Where does this music come from??!!! Mani Iyer(s) and MSG!!

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Superb writing by you to append the brilliant
thi ja.

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my grandmother while recollecting her nostalgic moments ...

she imitated the signature singing style of MMI by singing a sample of - sri raghuvara sugunalaya

i wonder if there is any recording of this krithi by master? i could not find any.

but i got a version by his shysha - TV Shankaranarayanan
https://youtu.be/YqELYN30Kag

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Request to all rasikas:
I have a 3 minute recording (one side of disc?) MMI's sukhi evaro upto anupallavi and am looking for the second half. Please help! Thank you.

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While i willfully missed an opportunity to say not hear a legend like Tiruvidaimarudhur Rajagopalan Subramanyam(TRS), but damn it i was not even born to hear this supernova Madurai Subramanian Highest Iyer (MMI), i got a message saying today in Rama Navami day (Apr 21,2021).

Where did MMI sing this huseni and kedaram combo? Could that be a mylapore rAma navami or malleswaram rAma navami or matunga rAma navami or mayavaram rAma navami. Pointed sarvalaghu ideas making us all believe Hey this is carnatic music and this is celebration Rama navami. The uploader is BaluMMI sir , thanks to him and also VK Viswanathan Sir (@cacm ) who are the primest prime MMI rasikas who have envious record of hearing MMI and took that joy to atleast few generations forward.

RAmA Ninne Followed by Rama Neepai (Swaras) - huseni and KEdaram - Thyagaraja Rama Navami Special

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOcuP90QCok

As veeyens sir says Let Rama bless all the carnatic musicians from this rama navami day after you hear the one one and only Ganakaladhara
Last edited by rajeshnat on 21 Apr 2021, 15:53, edited 1 time in total.

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Forgot to add then the link of MMI lecdem by Lalitharam and Vishnuramprasad.
Madurai Mani Iyer Lecdem by [email protected] Sastri Hall on June 17th,2018
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=31433&hilit=lecdem

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pvs wrote: 26 Dec 2020, 06:12 Request to all rasikas:
I have a 3 minute recording (one side of disc?) MMI's sukhi evaro upto anupallavi and am looking for the second half. Please help! Thank you.
Check this . The recording is bit distorted https://youtu.be/cEgkju67DuM?t=451

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Thank you, Rajeshnat sincerely. I think I was not clear in my message. I have listened to MMI's Sukhi Evaro many times from many concerts. I was keen on getting the second half of that particular disc recording. I will try to post the part I have soon. that will likely help. Thanks again.

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pvs wrote: 23 Apr 2021, 17:29 Thank you, Rajeshnat sincerely. I think I was not clear in my message. I have listened to MMI's Sukhi Evaro many times from many concerts. I was keen on getting the second half of that particular disc recording. I will try to post the part I have soon. that will likely help. Thanks again.
I think the recording being requested here is the Sukhi evaro rendering from a particular EMI record which had a mix of different recordings- starts with Thaye Yasoda, Kapali... then goes to very young MMI recordings of Orajupu, Parimala rangapate, Dunmargachara, then back to an older MMI with Sukhi evvaro, Maaye. This particular Sukhi evvaro “gets done” with Anupallavi. The source recording from where this song was pulled into this kadambam record is not known.

Is the charanam from this pre-recorded Sukhi evaro available at all?

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I have both sides of this recording recovered from an old spool tape. If anyone is interested I can upload it.

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Lakshman Sir, please do upload.

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I have sent it.

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Thank you Lakshman sir.

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1894. சங்கீத சங்கதிகள் - 283
சங்கீத மேதாவி
https://s-pasupathy.blogspot.com/2021/07/1894-283.html

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Rajeshnat:
Madurai Mani Iyer:

What is different about this genius is , he tried to use “la” instead of harsh “ta” and “ri”. “l” is called lateral in that the air comes through the sides of the tongue in the same place the “t” stops the air (PV α RT formula of thermo dynamics says that when the volume is restricted, the pressure increases, thus the air from the vocal chord is just “stopped” for say about 10 milliseconds. This produces a noise that can be seen in a spectrometer).
The “la” is like a vowel comes out nicely. Also, the “a” with the open neural mouth produces more resonance and that is why it can be heard from a distance compared to “I”,”e”,”o” and “u”. Secondly MMI used the diphthongs – combination of vowels 'ai”,”au”ui” etc., which are not prohibited in Carnatic Music but none before him introduced those sonorous and pleasing sounds. Now, hid MMI innovate on his own and did his own experiments when practicing or did Harikesanallur encourage him? This is not known or documented. However, MMI took the spell bound music one step up without violating the grammar of Carnatic Music.
Professor R. Narasimhan at TIFR, Mumbai had two PhD's EE and Maths. He was always curious and wanted some one to explore the language and music. When, a new PhD one Ramasubramanian (I am told that he was from Presidency college with a Physics BS degree and was quit interested in “Sound” taught one by Kannappa Naiker who had supposedly showed Mr. Ramasubramanian that simple mathematical formulae can replace complex ones. Thus, the student I am told was quite fascinated by it). He also was good at mimicry and can reproduce animal sounds and some instrumental music like vocal Veena and vocal Saxophone. So, with his PhD in Linguistics, he was invited to join TIFR by Prof. Narasimhan. After joining TIFR, Dr, Ramasubramanian also learned vocal music at Bombay. That his how the Music research was started by one scholar. He brought, I am told the first CDC 3600 Computer 32 bit scientific computer (Seymour Cray was the creator) in the World which Dr. Homi Bhbha got for him. Prof. Narasimhan was hired form University of Illinois, Urbana USA by Dr. Homi Bhbha.

Now MMI and music: Dr. Ramasubramanin on his own accord alleged to have told Prof. Narasimhan that Pattern recognition and Pattern matching in mathematical learning can be applied using AI rules to Mimic MMI if possible just like he had done for Tamil Speech Synthesis (Ref. 2nd World Tamil Conference , Chennai : Phonological Grammar of Tamil and it's Application to Speech Synthesis, 1969). I got hold the papers from late Prof. Narasimhan and that is what I was sharing here. Thus, Professor Narasimhan encouraged original research in India.

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Madurai MaNi Iyer

sogasu jooda kruthi by Thyagaraja Swami
Kannada GowLa raagam

https://youtu.be/1cppR1IDybk

uploaded by Bala Girish
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There are only two kruthis in this raagam by Thyagaraja Swami. ( orajoopu and sogasu ). MMI renderings are very famous.
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Lord praised by Lord Siva! O Lord with sapphire hued body! O Sacred Lord worshipped by this tyAgarAja!
Is it possible to see anywhere such comeliness as that of Yours?
(a) The shining face with a pair gleaming cheeks;
(b) the feet worshipped by the celestials;
(c) the hands that bestow freedom from fear;
(d) the lovable body that puts to shame the cupid;
(e) the lips resembling the beautiful (red) bimba fruit;
(f) the chest adorned with flowers of vakuLa tree;
(g) the hands that wield arrows and bow kOdaNDa;
(h) the smile;
(i) the curls of hair (falling on forehead); and
(j) the clarity of eyes; -
is it possible to see anywhere such exquisite comeliness?
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http://thyagaraja-vaibhavam.blogspot.co ... -raga.html
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A blogger's impression here
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The other day I was listening to a Thyagaraja kriti SOGASU JUDA TARAMA in the raga KANNADA GAULA sung by the great musician Madurai Mani Iyer. The rendering of the song was so scintilating that I instantly fell in love with it. It was just a 7 minute piece and within that short time the musician transported me into a completely new world. What is it about this song and the rendering that captivated me?:

First and foremost is the SAHITYAM, which is in very simple Telugu. ‘SOGASU’ in telugu means Beauty. Thyagaraja, in this song, is glorifying the beauty of Rama….. Besides the captivating beauty of the Lord, nicely brought out in the Sahityam, one is treated with beauty in several dimensions – the stunning simplicity of the language, skillful usage of phrases as he describes Srirama’s face shining with glossy cheeks, His red lips resembling a Bimba fruit, His charming smile, Forelocks beautifully decorating His face etc.

The simplicity of the SAHITYAM is matched every bit by the brilliant rendering of the song by Madurai Mani Iyer. To elaborate on the great maestro’s rendering of the song, Mani Iyer (as he is fondly referred to by his fans) chooses the right tempo for the song (neither too fast nor too slow) laying emphasis at the right words and phrases.

And his ‘swara kalpana’ is excellent as usual, bringing out rich ‘raga bhava’ with each phrase. In particular, watch out for the moment when the artist reaches a crescendo by touching on the Swaras GA & MA in the higher octave.
That is, indeed, a magical moment! It is a double treat for the listeners as Lalgudi Jayaraman, accompanying on violin, matches Mani Iyer phrase for phrase in KALPANA SWARAS and at times even improvised over the vocalist’s efforts.
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https://csnarasimhan.wordpress.com/2012 ... xperience/

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Madurai MaNi Iyer
concert at Music Academy-1965
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https://youtu.be/XXRi9EeMRIk
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upload by Carnatic Connect
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This concert is part of a private archive of about 2000 concerts performed by great maestros from the 1950s to the 1980s. It is proposed to upload the entire archive through this channel. Each concert has been digitally enhanced for maximum listening pleasure.

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Madurai Mani Iyer - Mayuram Govindaraja Pillai - Vellore Ramabhadran - Alangudi Ramachandran MA 1965

Song List:

01 Vallabha - Begada - Rupakam - Deekshitar 00:00:00
(8 mins)

02 Chandram Bhaja - Asaveri - Chatushra Mathya - Deekshitar 00:08:25
(5 mins)

03 Sahasra kara mandithe - Vachaspati - Adi - Muthiah Bhagavathar 00:13:30
(21 mins)

04 Narada Gana Lola - Athana - Rupakam - Tyagarajar 00:34:08
(12 min)

05 Mohana Rama - Mohanam - Adi - Tyagarajar 00:46:53
(48 mins)

06 Ever Unnaru - Malavashree - Adi - Tyagarajar 01:34:57
(4 mins)

07 Andavane - Shanmukhapriya - Rupakam - Papanasam Sivan
01:38:45
(19 mins)

08 Shri Matrubhootham - Kannada - Mishrachapu - Deekshitar 01:57:07
(8 min)

09 RTP - Bhairavi 02:05:10
(47 mins)

10 Jayathi Jayathi - Khamas - Rupakam - Mayuram Vishwanatha Shastri 02:52:30
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viewers' comments are worth reading
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