Prof George Hart on Tamil Society in the Sangam Era

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harimau
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#26 Re: Prof George Hart on Tamil Society in the Sangam Era

Post by harimau » 13 Jul 2018, 18:56

Pratyaksham Bala wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 12:06
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Hidden agenda :-

3. In Tamil Nadu. people are advised/encouraged/brainwashed to avoid surnames,
to help non-Tamils to hide their place of origin.
During the 2009-2014 timeframe, DMK was in power, the party which is famous for "protecting" Tamil.

During some public meeting, Dinamalar reported that two cabinet ministers were having a private conversation in Telugu, their mother-tongue, while seated on the dais.

Let us just say that their children most definitely did not set themselves on fire when Tamil was in danger! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#27 Re: Prof George Hart on Tamil Society in the Sangam Era

Post by sureshvv » 14 Jul 2018, 11:14

Pratyaksham Bala wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 12:06
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Hidden agenda :-

3. In Tamil Nadu. people are advised/encouraged/brainwashed to avoid surnames,
to help non-Tamils to hide their place of origin.
Nothing hidden about it. This is a gesture on the part of the sensitive and aware Tamilian to shed off the baggage of caste. It is a noble and progressive gesture and we should be proud,

This Tamil/non-Tamil is another bogey of divisiveness that the cranks thrive on. Please don't encourage it.
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#28 Re: Prof George Hart on Tamil Society in the Sangam Era

Post by sankark » 14 Jul 2018, 21:28

Pratyaksham Bala wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 12:06
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Hidden agenda :-

3. In Tamil Nadu. people are advised/encouraged/brainwashed to avoid surnames,
to help non-Tamils to hide their place of origin.
A new spin? What is the need for a surname in the first place?
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#29 Re: Prof George Hart on Tamil Society in the Sangam Era

Post by sankark » 14 Jul 2018, 22:11

And Hart's article isn't all flawless either.

In Akam 110.16, a girl from a fishing village says to an evidently high-born man that he would not like to eat fish, which is a “low” food, while in Kali. 121.20, the fish in a harbor are said to be “low.” This suggests that in ancient times, as now, fishermen were of quite low caste.
I really don't think the first sentence in the above quote can lead to the "suggestion" in the second sentence.

But if she were a widow, she would have to undertake the harshest asceticism, or even take her own life in suttee.
Sati wasn't sangam times practice to my knowledge; and neither the vedic period.

And what was lost/imputed in translations? So take it with a pinch of salt. In general any such cross cultural/language studies are better done with a jar of salt on standby for reaching immediately.

Including theatlantic or thedailybeast (or NYT or WaPo, or oh you get the gist) articles. Every such article is to some or major extent biased by the authors worldview/pov.
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