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#1 The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by sureshvv » 10 Jan 2019, 18:31

The very first time I heard a natabhairavi alapana was from OST in Sastry hall. I was absolutely sure it was Shanmugapriya :D
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#2 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by shankarank » 10 Jan 2019, 19:42

If you do Alapana it will be half Shanmugapriya. If you sing a song, it will be half karaharapriya , and once you start landing and pausing ( where a real rAgA speaks!) it will be bhairavi!
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#3 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by MaheshS » 10 Jan 2019, 20:23

I've never been able to get a handle on this raga, I keep Sivan's Sri Vallidevasenapathe as a reference [DKJ version], and if the alapana / song fits within that framework then I kind of assume it is Natabhairavi without being 100% sure till something / someone confirms.
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#4 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by Sachi_R » 10 Jan 2019, 21:11

The first time I head this was when Radha Jayalakshmi sang Sri Valli Devasenapate. That is the gold standard.

For me Nata Bhairavi is the younger and a bit shorter sister of Kiravani, who is the family pride and has a shelf full of medals from Badminton to Bollywood Gaana to Bharatnatyam.
Nata Bhairavi has a preference for theatre, but you couldn't tell seeing how she remains silent at the dinner table. But when she won the Theatre Competition medal as the best protagonist, the judges said she was able to display a keen understanding of human nature and body language. The loudest applause in the audience came from her doting big sister Kiravani.
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#5 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by sureshvv » 10 Jan 2019, 22:15

All its janya ragas (saramathy, marga hindolam, amirthavahini) have a very definite flavor imparted by Nata bhairavi.
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#6 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by arasi » 10 Jan 2019, 22:47

To me, if shaNmukhapriya is pathos, natabhairavi is that too, with gAmbhIrya. kIravANi's personality is much more --emotive as well, but more intricate, with her own personality. I heard naTabhairavi first from DKP and loved it--a unique shaNmukhapriya, I thought then!
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#7 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by sureshvv » 11 Jan 2019, 09:52

The very first time I heard a Nattaikurinji alapana was by Ashok Ramani at the Sringeri Vidyashram during their Navarathri series. Ashok Ramani has a very methodological approach to raga delineation. I thought it was a weird mixture of khamas and Vasantha.
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#8 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by Sachi_R » 11 Jan 2019, 12:57

Suresh
Your early forays into identifying ragas remind me of a doctor who began practising and saying, "wow, this disease sure looks like a weird mixture of jaundice and tonsillitis." πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€
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#9 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by sureshvv » 11 Jan 2019, 22:28

Which disease was that? Sounds pretty deadly :D

Wait till you hear the next one!

The very first time I heard a Malayamarutham alapana was by Lakshmi Rangarajan at Mylapore Fine Arts during the 1997 season. It sounded like a doleful but sultry Kharaharapriya and I could not get it off my mind. I did not learn the name of the raga then and it took me many months to find out what it was.
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#10 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by ganesh_mourthy » 12 Jan 2019, 14:43

if u think u are confused between begada and bhageshree, which only means your appreciation and delineation is extra terrestrial level . That can be mixture of pleacebo and metastasis.
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#11 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by rshankar » 12 Jan 2019, 20:26

ganesh_mourthy wrote: ↑
12 Jan 2019, 14:43
pleacebo
Is that a pleasant placebo? The opposite of nocebo? 😜
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#12 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by shankarank » 13 Jan 2019, 07:55

sureshvv wrote: ↑
10 Jan 2019, 22:15
All its janya ragas (saramathy, marga hindolam, amirthavahini) have a very definite flavor imparted by Nata bhairavi.
She has imparted everything to everyone else including the solpa nayam she has. She has to take a walk. Hence she is called naTa(naDa) bhairavi.
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#13 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by mohan » 13 Jan 2019, 12:57

Sanjay S mentioned long ago that Trichur Ramachandran sang a great natabhairavi RTP.
There are some natabharaivi RTP recordings of his available on Sangeethapriya
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#14 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by Sachi_R » 13 Jan 2019, 14:39

RTP in Natabhairavi by Vid. TRS!

(another item in the concert has been wrongly named in the text as Sriranjani but it is actually Abhogi πŸ™ƒ)
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#15 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by sureshvv » 14 Jan 2019, 12:05

ganesh_mourthy wrote: ↑
12 Jan 2019, 14:43
if u think u are confused between begada and bhageshree, which only means your appreciation and delineation is extra terrestrial level . That can be mixture of pleacebo and metastasis.
Is this addressed to anyone in particular or a general purpose strawman? The confusion could be caused by poor eyesight and small lettering also.
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#16 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by sureshvv » 14 Jan 2019, 12:07

The very first time I heard an alapana of Salaga Bhairavi was at a violin concert of Charumathy Raghuraman at the Central Lecture Theatre in IIT Madras. I thought it was an intriguing mix of Kapi and Kharahapriya.
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#17 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by sureshvv » 14 Jan 2019, 12:11

MaheshS wrote: ↑
10 Jan 2019, 20:23
I've never been able to get a handle on this raga, I keep Sivan's Sri Vallidevasenapathe as a reference [DKJ version], and if the alapana / song fits within that framework then I kind of assume it is Natabhairavi without being 100% sure till something / someone confirms.
I am going to get flamed for this but I am not sure that DKJ school is ideal for alapana reference.
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#18 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by MaheshS » 14 Jan 2019, 15:18

sureshvv wrote: ↑
14 Jan 2019, 12:11
MaheshS wrote: ↑
10 Jan 2019, 20:23
I've never been able to get a handle on this raga, I keep Sivan's Sri Vallidevasenapathe as a reference [DKJ version], and if the alapana / song fits within that framework then I kind of assume it is Natabhairavi without being 100% sure till something / someone confirms.
I am going to get flamed for this but I am not sure that DKJ school is ideal for alapana reference.
I agree, I was mentioning the krithi rendition not the alapana. Also I have not heard alapana for this raga from DKJ.
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#19 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by uday_shankar » 14 Jan 2019, 18:30

Sachi_R wrote: ↑
13 Jan 2019, 14:39
RTP in Natabhairavi by Vid. TRS!

(another item in the concert has been wrongly named in the text as Sriranjani but it is actually Abhogi πŸ™ƒ)
Nope. Talabeku is definitely Sriranjani.
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#20 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by Sachi_R » 14 Jan 2019, 19:24

uday_shankar wrote: ↑
14 Jan 2019, 18:30
Sachi_R wrote: ↑
13 Jan 2019, 14:39
RTP in Natabhairavi by Vid. TRS!

(another item in the concert has been wrongly named in the text as Sriranjani but it is actually Abhogi πŸ™ƒ)
Nope. Talabeku is definitely Sriranjani.
Ok Uday. I was the one who had uploaded it and labelled it as Sriranjani. So πŸ˜€...


It was tardy of me that I didn't check this item this time while typing the aforementioned post about Natabhairavi. But indeed someone had written to me some years ago that I had mistakenly labelled an Abhogi as Sriranjani. My ageing brain misclicked that it might be this track in this concert and so I said it had been mislabelled.

The Talabeku track in this one, which BTW I heard during my taxi ride just now, is indubitably Sriranjani. So thanks!

I think this type of wrong posting by people like me is what is causing global warming. So my apologies.
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#21 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by bala747 » 17 Jan 2019, 16:29

MaheshS wrote: ↑
10 Jan 2019, 20:23
I've never been able to get a handle on this raga, I keep Sivan's Sri Vallidevasenapathe as a reference [DKJ version], and if the alapana / song fits within that framework then I kind of assume it is Natabhairavi without being 100% sure till something / someone confirms.
Natabhairavi belongs to the nagaswaram. Listen to Karukurichi. Probably can find it on Sangeethapriya.


If you can't get a handle then, you don't know music.
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#22 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by shankarank » 17 Jan 2019, 20:21

Karaharapriya belongs to nAdasvaram. You can find somebody in sangeethapriya. If you cannot get a handle on it - you don't know music!
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#23 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by sureshvv » 20 Jan 2019, 10:32

Sachi_R wrote: ↑
11 Jan 2019, 12:57
Suresh
Your early forays into identifying ragas remind me of a doctor who began practising and saying, "wow, this disease sure looks like a weird mixture of jaundice and tonsillitis." πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€
Part of the blame(credit?) has to go to Ashok Ramani. His present voice problems notwithstanding, Ashok, with his engineering background, had a very structural way of approaching a raga alapana. The approach tends to shed a new light on the raga being delineated. Have not seen this technique adopted in the new crop of youngsters performing today.
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#24 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by Sachi_R » 20 Jan 2019, 14:15

Good point, Suresh!

I find three exceptions even today: T M Krishna, Abhishek Raghuram, Amrutha Venkatesh. I wrote about her Kharaharapriya RTP in Bangalore mid 2018. She did an outstanding job of developing and delineating the raga almost like opening and extracting the sweet bits of a jackfruit πŸ™‚
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#25 Re: The very first time I heard this raga...

Post by RSR » 20 Jan 2019, 14:35

Just curious... Is it known if the composers of CM ( upto the Trinity) gave any performance with Alapana ?
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