I need a clarification on the navagraham krithi chandrambhaja mAnasa, If anyone can help me with.
In al the navagraha kritis, Dikshitar has mentioned the raashi under each grahas but not in chandrambhaja. I would like to know if I am missing it. I understand chandran is the adhipathi for kadaga raashi, but not mentioned in the krithi.
Can one of you help me to understand?
chandram bhaja mAnasa - Navagraham Krithi
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vgovindan
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Re: chandram bhaja mAnasa - Navagraham Krithi
Shri Rajagopal - rtn1969@yahoo.com - has forwarded a link to me on the subject - https://guruguha.org/kallidaikurichi-ma ... hagavatar/ - wherein the following clarification has been given - quote -
Q.Regarding the krithi Chandram Bhaja manasa what about the additional line in madhyamakala charanam..
KMB:Yes the line is “Kamaniya vara kataka rashyadipam”. (He sings the krithi and then goes on to explain..) People start this song with the chatusruthi rishabham.And people say that this raga has chatushruthi rishabam. It actually does not.When there is a “Ri Ma Ri Ma” prayoga if one uses the suddha rishabam it will not be aesthetic.Infact it will be horrible to listen to.One needs to use the rishabam a bit higher in such a situation.The rishabam must be sung a bit higher(rishabathai konjam kooti pidikkanam).People explicitly sing this with chatushruthi rishabam(pattavarthanamaa chatushruthi rishabathai pidikkaraa). One does not have to do that.Konjam kooti pidichaal porum.Let us take the case of “Angarakam” the Suratti krithi. The pallavi comes to seven avarthanas.People say that this is wrong when it is not.Let us take the case of “Halasyanatham”.Does anyone sing it the way it has to be sung? Traces of Kanada should come in Darbar. otherwise it is not correct.
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The kRti - candram bhaja is blogged in - http://guru-guha.blogspot.com/2007/11/d ... -raga.html
I am not qualified to comment on musical aspects. However, if the foregoing quote is correct, then, some modification to the Vaggeyakkara's kRti seems to have been done, the ethics of which may need scrutiny.
Q.Regarding the krithi Chandram Bhaja manasa what about the additional line in madhyamakala charanam..
KMB:Yes the line is “Kamaniya vara kataka rashyadipam”. (He sings the krithi and then goes on to explain..) People start this song with the chatusruthi rishabham.And people say that this raga has chatushruthi rishabam. It actually does not.When there is a “Ri Ma Ri Ma” prayoga if one uses the suddha rishabam it will not be aesthetic.Infact it will be horrible to listen to.One needs to use the rishabam a bit higher in such a situation.The rishabam must be sung a bit higher(rishabathai konjam kooti pidikkanam).People explicitly sing this with chatushruthi rishabam(pattavarthanamaa chatushruthi rishabathai pidikkaraa). One does not have to do that.Konjam kooti pidichaal porum.Let us take the case of “Angarakam” the Suratti krithi. The pallavi comes to seven avarthanas.People say that this is wrong when it is not.Let us take the case of “Halasyanatham”.Does anyone sing it the way it has to be sung? Traces of Kanada should come in Darbar. otherwise it is not correct.
Unquote
The kRti - candram bhaja is blogged in - http://guru-guha.blogspot.com/2007/11/d ... -raga.html
I am not qualified to comment on musical aspects. However, if the foregoing quote is correct, then, some modification to the Vaggeyakkara's kRti seems to have been done, the ethics of which may need scrutiny.
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nAdopAsaka
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Re: Candram bhaja - SO-daSa kalA-dharam - How the 16 phases of the Moon rule the 10 digits of the Crab.
Candram bhaja - SO-daSa kalAdharam - How the 16 phases of the Moon rule the 10 digits of the Crab.
In the footsteps of nAdajyOti Mutthuswamy Dikshitar
The statement that the crab = karkataka rASi is missing in “Candram bhaja” is COMPLETELY WRONG.
The Dikshitar gives the LORDSHIP of the MOON over the CRAB = CANCER = karkataka within the existing kriti.
There is ZERO possibility (or need) for any additional line. Any such addition is spurious and a figment of some deluded, misguided and ignorant paddhati (of which there are quite a few)
The method of this rASi delivery in “Candram bhaja” is similar to how the rASis (constellations) are delivered by the Dikshitar for the other 6 grahas.. …as shown here
sUryamUrte - simharASyAdhipati
Candram bhaja – SOdaSa kalAdharam
angArakam – mESa vrSCika rASyAdhipatim
budham ASrayAmi - mithuna-kanyAdhipam
brhaspatE – dhanur minAdhipatE
Sri Sukra bhagavantam – vrSa tulAdhiSa
diwAkara tanujam – makara kumbha rASi nAtham
Observe the usages A-dhipa, A-dhipatim, A-dhiSa and also A-dharam (as dhara, the lord is the support, basis, protector)
SOdaSa kalAdharam conceals daSa kalA-dharam
How the 16 phases of the Moon rule the 10 digits of the Crab.
The formal word for the Cancer constellation is the Crab defined by its digits (claws or hooks) = karkataka
The Crab ALWAYS has 10 digits = daSa kalA
There can be no question SOdaSa kalAdharam is the reference for the ,lordship of the moon over the karkataka = CRAB.
”indrAdi-lokapAlEdi tArESam indum SO-daSa kalAdharam"
In fact the starting phrase ”indrAdi-lokapAlEdi tArESam” itself lays the groundwork by asserting that the moon is also lord of the stars of the lunar mansions= tAra-iSa..
Why is the nighttime aSAvEri kriti carrying this "hidden" descriptor for the rASi (compared to the other 6 kritis)
Because even though the moon goes thru many dimly lit phases, including amAvasya... the moon ALWAYS REMAINS the lord of the HOUSE of the CRAB.
And by highlighting this dominance using SO-daSa kalAdharam to simultaneously describe the moons phases that circumscribe the 10 digits of the CRAB, the Dikshitar illuminates and propitiates the moons power.
The COMPOSITE NATURE of the navagraha set of the Dikshitar
The entire navagraha set is a composite set in horoscopy, intimately connected to the MOVEMENT of the planets ..and the shadow planets (the ChAyA graha).
Foolish musicologists and corrupt vidwAns have attempted to ruin this composite navagraha pujA of the Diklshitar by falsely suggesting that the rAhu and kEtu kritis are spurious.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
None of these fools has bothered to read or understand the kritis , the words, the ideas or the choices made.
Post # 500 and 501 of the Dikshitar thread give the essential details.
29 Mar 2021 #500 (navagraha kriti rAga basis summary)
https://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopi ... 22#p370422
30 Mar 2021 #501 (angArakAdi navagraha vanditasya)
https://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopi ... 75#p370475
MOST of the rAgas of the navagraha kritis are themselves chosen from the names/icons of the deities vehicles (vAhana) or some aspect of the TRAVEL of these grahas.
After all, it is the MOVEMENT of the planets that allows the horoscopical studies to apply to the transit of life and fate.
The Dikshitar is well versed in different types of composite pujA (refer to his numerous navAvaranas or panCa bhUta etc sets) .
There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY the particularly important nature of rAhu/kEtu could be ignored by the Dikshitar when constructing this horoscopically oriented kritis set.
Summary
Foolish and corrupt additions/subtractions to the kritis conducted over the last 200 years , by “academicians" and musicologists arise from lack of understanding of the words used, lack of respect for and basic ignorance of the motivations (e.g. Sri vidyA etc) of the vAggeyakAras.
Candram bhaja mAnasa – rAga asAvEri
MDR
https://youtu.be/fUMAjSW7iBk
preeti S
https://youtu.be/Yn5q0r-s0Gg
In the footsteps of nAdajyOti Mutthuswamy Dikshitar
The statement that the crab = karkataka rASi is missing in “Candram bhaja” is COMPLETELY WRONG.
The Dikshitar gives the LORDSHIP of the MOON over the CRAB = CANCER = karkataka within the existing kriti.
There is ZERO possibility (or need) for any additional line. Any such addition is spurious and a figment of some deluded, misguided and ignorant paddhati (of which there are quite a few)
The method of this rASi delivery in “Candram bhaja” is similar to how the rASis (constellations) are delivered by the Dikshitar for the other 6 grahas.. …as shown here
sUryamUrte - simharASyAdhipati
Candram bhaja – SOdaSa kalAdharam
angArakam – mESa vrSCika rASyAdhipatim
budham ASrayAmi - mithuna-kanyAdhipam
brhaspatE – dhanur minAdhipatE
Sri Sukra bhagavantam – vrSa tulAdhiSa
diwAkara tanujam – makara kumbha rASi nAtham
Observe the usages A-dhipa, A-dhipatim, A-dhiSa and also A-dharam (as dhara, the lord is the support, basis, protector)
SOdaSa kalAdharam conceals daSa kalA-dharam
How the 16 phases of the Moon rule the 10 digits of the Crab.
The formal word for the Cancer constellation is the Crab defined by its digits (claws or hooks) = karkataka
The Crab ALWAYS has 10 digits = daSa kalA
There can be no question SOdaSa kalAdharam is the reference for the ,lordship of the moon over the karkataka = CRAB.
”indrAdi-lokapAlEdi tArESam indum SO-daSa kalAdharam"
In fact the starting phrase ”indrAdi-lokapAlEdi tArESam” itself lays the groundwork by asserting that the moon is also lord of the stars of the lunar mansions= tAra-iSa..
Why is the nighttime aSAvEri kriti carrying this "hidden" descriptor for the rASi (compared to the other 6 kritis)
Because even though the moon goes thru many dimly lit phases, including amAvasya... the moon ALWAYS REMAINS the lord of the HOUSE of the CRAB.
And by highlighting this dominance using SO-daSa kalAdharam to simultaneously describe the moons phases that circumscribe the 10 digits of the CRAB, the Dikshitar illuminates and propitiates the moons power.
The COMPOSITE NATURE of the navagraha set of the Dikshitar
The entire navagraha set is a composite set in horoscopy, intimately connected to the MOVEMENT of the planets ..and the shadow planets (the ChAyA graha).
Foolish musicologists and corrupt vidwAns have attempted to ruin this composite navagraha pujA of the Diklshitar by falsely suggesting that the rAhu and kEtu kritis are spurious.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
None of these fools has bothered to read or understand the kritis , the words, the ideas or the choices made.
Post # 500 and 501 of the Dikshitar thread give the essential details.
29 Mar 2021 #500 (navagraha kriti rAga basis summary)
https://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopi ... 22#p370422
30 Mar 2021 #501 (angArakAdi navagraha vanditasya)
https://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopi ... 75#p370475
MOST of the rAgas of the navagraha kritis are themselves chosen from the names/icons of the deities vehicles (vAhana) or some aspect of the TRAVEL of these grahas.
After all, it is the MOVEMENT of the planets that allows the horoscopical studies to apply to the transit of life and fate.
The Dikshitar is well versed in different types of composite pujA (refer to his numerous navAvaranas or panCa bhUta etc sets) .
There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY the particularly important nature of rAhu/kEtu could be ignored by the Dikshitar when constructing this horoscopically oriented kritis set.
Summary
Foolish and corrupt additions/subtractions to the kritis conducted over the last 200 years , by “academicians" and musicologists arise from lack of understanding of the words used, lack of respect for and basic ignorance of the motivations (e.g. Sri vidyA etc) of the vAggeyakAras.
Candram bhaja mAnasa – rAga asAvEri
MDR
https://youtu.be/fUMAjSW7iBk
preeti S
https://youtu.be/Yn5q0r-s0Gg