For All Rasikas ....

ranjani33 · Post by **ranjani33** » 20 Jun 2008, 17:10

This is reallly a wonderful oopurtunity for all rasikas to listen to .........
Ustad Shahid Parvez Khan on the Sitar and Vidushi Nandhini on the Violin, who would be presenting a jugalbandhi on the 24th of June,2008 at Narada Gana Sabha Main Hall, TTK Road, Alwarpet from 6:30 PM onwards.....
Organised Jointly by:Narada Gana Sabha & Kapri

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 21 Jun 2008, 06:20

this is very good news for hm and cm lovers. BUT with a fat cheque in his pocket will it be the same old yaman, behaag and bhairavi? sorry , if I have offended anybody.. gobilalitha

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 21 Jun 2008, 06:23

will any rasika ask them to try ANANDA BHAIRAVI FOR A CHANGE ? Gobilalitha

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 21 Jun 2008, 07:36

Repeated references to fat cheques do offend serious rasikas.
Especially when one tends to talk about this issue with a HM Connotation.
It diverts attention from the basic purpose of the original posts.
Which is : this is a great opportunity to hear one of the sweetest Sitarists of our own Lifetime.Somebody who combines the power and Grace of a Vilayath and softness of a Nikhil.
A Truly magnificent artist

In the late 60s , when I was a Tiny Tot I remember my uncle making a trip to Mangalore just to listen to a concert of Abdul Halim Jafar Khan.
And after returning he told us this story.

' The Ticket was overpriced and so I could not afford it.But fortunately they had put up a Pandal outside with speakers and this Pandal was jam packed.At the appointed hour AHJK was seen going inside and for about 15 minutes there was no sign of activity.
And then came the announcement.
"AHJK Saab has graciously accepted to play without fees and has returned the Concert Fee to the organisers.Hence the doors are being thrown open to the public.Members sitting outside may please come in."
The disadvantage of a remote seat in the pandal was now a boon for me and I was the first to enter and What do I see ? Only 10 % of the seats filled up'

So gobilalithji, this will always be the problem with stereotype images.
One can see a Rosebush full of Thorns.
Or a Thorn Bush full of Roses.

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 21 Jun 2008, 12:15

SIR,I am also a great fan of HM .. But the prohibitive cost of a ticket ,because of the fat cheque has prevented me from attending so many performances in the past. As regards , AHJK, i will walk miles together to hear his pahaadi Another remark in a jocular vein. SINCE hm has set certain standards about particular raagas at particular time and season, if you want to hear raagas other than those for the evenings, it should be a 24 hour performance. gobilalitha

cienu · Post by **cienu** » 21 Jun 2008, 22:45

gobilalitha wrote:will any rasika ask them to try ANANDA BHAIRAVI FOR A CHANGE ? Gobilalitha

Gobilalithaji ,

Not again!!

Let us accept HM as it is without comparing with CM.

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 22 Jun 2008, 05:33

Here again, let me add my disappointment. what I feel is that HM pandits feel that they are of a supreme class, no attempt is made to learn carnatic music gana raagas. , except hamsadwani, charukesi etc. CM musicians can definitely learn any hm raaga and sing for an hour or morein that raaga., but that spirit is missing in HM pandits..gobilalitha . . sorry no controversies , a feeling of dejection gobilalitha

knandago2001 · Post by **knandago2001** » 22 Jun 2008, 06:19

gobilalitaji: for the record, both Ustad Abdul Karim Khan and Pt. Basavaraj Rajguru have performed Anandabhairavi (yes there is a raga in HM by the same name and yet distinct identity from that in CM)- this raag is special stuff in the kirana gharana; yet another creation is Ananta bhairavi!!

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 22 Jun 2008, 06:23

South Indian music is still unadulterated without the influence of mughals and in Kerala it seems all the religious faiths use carnatic raagas for their faith based songs; I believe I do not need to expand this interpretation to HM. HM believers understand the influence of Mughals in their rendition. with some exceptions, mostly carnatic raagas are ignored in North, IMHO. I like inputs from those who attend Carnatic concerts as to the percentage participation of north Indians in carnatic concerts in India and foreign countries.

knandago2001 · Post by **knandago2001** » 22 Jun 2008, 07:19

with all due respects, if i were to go to a panjaabi dhaaba, i would relish their preparations of baingan bharta, tandoori roti and sarson da saag! on the other hand, if i were in the south only then would i venture to have venkaaya pulusu or vattal kuzhambu!! aavakaaya or thokku anyone..

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 22 Jun 2008, 09:30

VKR
Of all the South Indian States( other than Karnataka) Kerala is the most Progressive in terms of throwing open, its doors to HM.
Whether adulteration from others is good or bad , is a point for a separate debate (moghuls or otherwise).
Having said this I recollect my recent experiences with Suryaprakash, when he was looking for some common terrain to experiement with.
We went through lots of recordings ....Dhrupad , Ragas with similar identities and at some point of time I hit upon the idea of playing Jod Ragas -Mostly from the repertoire of Mansoor and KG Ginde.
I remember that night so well.
SP posturing as though he was sitting on a knife edge.
We both lost count of the number of times there was a sweet twist to the singers tale - a terrain where a mm of a mistake would mean a fall into a deep gorge of ragalessness.

Unadulteration to some ....
I call it in-breeding.

The fundamental difference shall remain

Gamaka laden , poetry of the highest quality handed down to us in what looks like a divine moment of intervention by the Gods

VS

A magical fun-Play with Seven Notes and a God Given ability to pack in hundreds of moods into one's recitals , that have the power to trigger a series of chain reactions in the listeners minds , depending on his own life experiences.

Fat Cheques , Anandabhairavi , Keralas religious practices ...everything else , though true, receds into the background ...as far as I am concerned.

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 22 Jun 2008, 10:10

Urdu is pronounced "Or doo" which means Army or Hordes; this language was created in the Indo-Pak sub-continent around 1000 years ago, when soldiers speaking different languages like Turkish, Arabic, Persian, Sanskrit, Hindi and other local languages fought together in armies of the rulers of India during those time.

http://ezinearticles.com/index.php?Urdu ... id=1183394

Music is language of communication - and no language - not even Tamil - remains without being influenced - 'adulterated' - by other languages. Sanskrit remains pure because it is only a literary language.

Urdu is one of sweetest languages. No wonder Hindi flim lyrics are mostly Urdu.
I, as a lay listener, do not find any difficulty in enjoying both CM and HM - two sisters born to same mother.
Can we also derive a 'Urdu of Music'?

Sam Swaminathan · Post by **Sam Swaminathan** » 23 Jun 2008, 02:10

I echo VG's sentiments in this regard. I don't care about mogals and/or any other influences. Music as is to-day, be it HM or CM is delightful and I enjoy both. I think that is all what all of us in Rasikas should do. Leave the cheque book behind at home !!!

appu · Post by **appu** » 23 Jun 2008, 04:02

Coolkarni said

"Chennai Contributors can expect me to stand with the Bowl at each concert .So please dont leave your purse behind at home.
Overseas contributors can please get in touch with Vasanthakokilam."

Sam please do not leave the cheque book home. What will organizers do then. Just don't vocalize it the way Gobilalitha did. Just leaves all with a bad after taste.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 23 Jun 2008, 06:17

Appu
Sams remarks were just pure banter.
Even my request for contributions were half in jest.
He is already a heavy contributor to our efforts.
I would request as many rasikas as possible to savour the special mood we create rather than worry about the Money.
Gobilalithas views,seen in a different perspective, show CM Musicians in a remarkably beautiful light.Most of them agree to perform WITHOUT any prior demand.
AND NO NOT FLINCH WHEN THEY SEE WHAT IS IN THE COVER.

In fact a major part of our expenses go towards the Mike and Videographing.So one can easliy imagine what we pay the artists.

With senior artists too , like in Sowmyas case , I was a bit hesiatnt in trying to know the figure beforehand.
and Pat came the reply over the Phone :
PASSION IS ALL THAT MATTERS.
YOUR PASSION, OURS AND THE AUDIENCE'S.
If you assure all these , everything else is secondary"

You may now modify / delete your post if you wish.

appu · Post by **appu** » 23 Jun 2008, 06:26

Coolkarni

Sorry if I offended you or anybody. Absolutely no hidden motives. I completely agree that passion is all that matters. i just wanted to reiterate that please do bring your cheque books as money is important to pull a herculean task like this.

Sam Swaminathan · Post by **Sam Swaminathan** » 24 Jun 2008, 06:18

Thank you Coolji...yes, you are correct, my remarks were intended only in jest. And as to my contributions....don't even mention it........Coolji....what am I compared to you and other giants who are doing so much towards the cause !!!

sankirnam · Post by **sankirnam** » 24 Jun 2008, 08:58

coolkarni, since I am not able to participate, being in US, I am willing to support financially, please let me know how.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 24 Jun 2008, 09:06

sankirnam, send me an email through the forum and we will take it from there. This is applicable to others who want to contribute as well. I will collect all the contributions in U.S. dollars and send the rupee equivalent to coolkarni.

ranjani33 · Post by **ranjani33** » 24 Jun 2008, 13:33

Dear all...
Today's jugalbandhi is not ticketed and i am the happiest rasika on this earth

to inform this

All are Welcome....Hoping to meet you all

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 24 Jun 2008, 14:17

ranjani33, It was a wonderful gesture on your part to have notified about today's performance of Shahid Pa rvez, Have I offended you with my outburst on such performances.. especially about pampered treatment of hm pandits. Had I been in chennai, instead of Bangalore, T would have attended the performance. well, have a good time and post your report . best wishes gobilalitha

nigamaa · Post by **nigamaa** » 24 Jun 2008, 15:51

Re: Kerala music

Let me kindly inform all lovers of Kerala music that
native choreographer Roysten Abel will perform his recent monumental music theatre The Manganiyar Seduction free
of charge at Impuls Dance Festival at the yard of the New Museums Quarter, Vienna at July,10 2008 9.30 pm. Pls note that following performances will be cost expensive, upto Rs 3000,- per seat.
http://www.events.at/roysten_abel_the_m ... duction_1/
see vid at
http://roystenabel.com/mang_Video.html

rgds

ranjani33 · Post by **ranjani33** » 25 Jun 2008, 13:46

Thanks gobilalitha ji...
It was the greatest oppurtunity for myself and many other rasikas to have witnesses Ustad ji on stage:)

Wow....the meends, the tonal richness of his setAr, his da ra technique, his overall mastery of this instrument...amazing...wordless to be described:)

The programme jointly organized by KAPRI and NGS was held at NGS Main Hall...the event started off as scheduled sharp at 6:45 p.m....with a few musicians in the audience:) like P.B.Srinivas...Shashank..Janardhan Mitta...Sivaramakrishna Rao...and many others whom i could not see from a distance:)

Introduction of the artists was done by the one of those rasikas from the organizing team...

First half of the prog was devoted to carnatic with Vid.Lalitha of Dr.L.S.School... beautifying nAttai, mOhanam (mahA ganapathim and kApAli respectively...

) our pathri ji as ever played beautifully...

Our Ustad ji played rAg yaman

...started with a beautiful short AlAp...yet richness in every note is always Ustad ji's signature ...and follwed it up with a gat (composition) usually heard by all rasikas ...played by Ustad VilAyat khAn.... sri makarand on tabla played aptly well...

Following solo..the jugalbandhi focussed on rAg chArukEsi...

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 25 Jun 2008, 22:28

What made the jugalbandhi really interesting were the sections when the ustad led asking the virtuoso to follow and then vice versa. Also sitar was played to the mridangam accompaniment and violin with tabla. There was also an energetic adi/theen thani.

Did they sing a pallavi? Would have been nice if they/someone could have sung it first.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 26 Jun 2008, 08:07

http://rapidshare.com/files/125064629/shahid.mp3

a small glimpse into Shahids Brilliant technique that combines such power with grace and sweetness

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 26 Jun 2008, 11:03

coolji, thanks..I think it should be obese cheques for him, not fat!!!. can you pl post pahadi by HalimJafferkhan.. .Long back , sangeeth sarita broadcast a feature of film songs by hjk He started with delienation of JAIYE AAP KAHAN JAYENGE, the immortal melody ofOPNayyar. explaining that the song is based on both piloo andkirwani, he played line by line swaras of that melody, orally explaining the beauty of that composition., then followed it with some melodies of another great composer AnilBiswas.
Ranjani33, thanks for the review of the programme . you are all blessed to hear such music gobilalitha

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 26 Jun 2008, 21:00

GJR Krishnan informs me that he will playing a Jugalbandi with Shahid Parvez on July 1st evening at Krishna Gana Sabha.Hope to make it for this atleast .

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 26 Jun 2008, 21:49

Hope it is not the Electric violin. I think it sort of came in the way of the nuances.

money · Post by **money** » 20 Jul 2008, 00:24

The jugalbandis are neither here nor there.Neither do you get the satisfaction of listening to CM nor HM. The artistes are also mostly confused as to how to proceed.

If jugalbandhis are to be relished, perhaps a new form of compositions are required which can be individually played either in a HM or CM concert. A common idiom is required which will be reflective of both the systems.We are in need of a genius like Dikshitar who could set slokas to western notes, which could be stand alone in either of the systems.

Another option would be for the CM representative to take up a typically HM raga - say Jog and expand it in the CM mode and for the HM representative to take up a typically CM raga - say Nattakurinji and develop it in HM mode.
.That would be a show of their respective abilities and also show that the HM vidwans also have consideration for CM.Perhaps the jugalbandi artistes can end the concert with say the CM musician taking up a dhun in Madhuvanti, Bageshri or darbari kanada, which they are all capable of.The HM artiste could end with perhaps a tillana in sahana or sankarabharanam.

Perhaps such a respect for CM was found only in a few like Ustad Abdul Kariim Khan, who sang Hamsadhwani and other CM ragas in his concerts. I am told Bade Ghulam once tried Vachaspati in Madras.Of the present day Hm musicians Ajoy has shown such courtesies to CM.

When one attends a jugalbandi it is most likely to listen a particular artiste, not the combination.
Here also I see everyone writing about the richness of the Ustads tonal strength.What abt the violin?
How many of the HM audience came to listen to the violin of Nandhini? More number of CM rasikas would have appreciated the nuances of HM than the other way round.

Until there is a common idiom, a new format common to both the systems it is a futile to talk about the beauty of the jugalbandi.

It is the performer with higher star value who dominates and also commands a fatter cheque-meaning the HM musician.Only when giants come together-like BMK and Bhimsen, or Lalgudi and Amjad, that there will be a battle of great minds.

Jugalbandis are a boring affairs. I like both CM and HM, but separately.

blackadder · Post by **blackadder** » 23 Jul 2008, 19:37

Check the July issue of Sruti which has fusion/world music as the cover story. TM Krishna has written a pretty nice piece and is the only contributor to have looked beyond CM and HM while writing about Indians amalgamating music forms (with a reference to Salil da and Ilayaraja).