ABHOGI

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meena
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#51

Post by meena » 04 Apr 2007, 23:50

I still request for the 1974 concert of MDR in New Delhi.
pgaiyar
the clip u/l is1974 new delhi conc and not b'lore conc. May God bless u too.
Could you share with us some of your own excellent Abhogi collections (noncommercial of course) before moving on to specifics?
I second cml!
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#52

Post by pgaiyar » 05 Apr 2007, 09:01

Dear All: I will try to convert my tapes to mp3 or whatever and this might take some time from now. Many thanks in advance for the kind understanding. God bless you all. I thank Ms. Meena for the information on MDR clip. But Mr. Coolkarni has mentioned the heading as "from Bangalore" if I remember correct.

Regards

P. G. Aiyar
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#53

Post by coolkarni » 05 Apr 2007, 09:12

Meena's information is correct.
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vageyakara
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#54

Post by vageyakara » 06 Apr 2007, 14:21

Shri coolkarniji and every one
May I request u to go thru my composition in the Raaga ABHOGI, which in glorification of Nanganallur Anjeyaneya.this was popularised by Shri.Rajkumar Bharaty.Ref.www.karnakit.com has posted this song.A feed back ([email protected])by members is solicited please ( http://www.karnatik.com/c3471.shtml )
Ramaraj

(Moderator edit: added the direct link to the song)
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cmlover
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#55

Post by cmlover » 06 Apr 2007, 20:15

Dear brother-member Ramraj:
It was a pleasure visiting and perusing your compositions. Let me restrict my comments to the Abhogi kriti posted as:
'Adi vyAdihara shrI AnjanEyA'
You are singing it as 'adi vyAdihara shrI AnjanEyA'. The kriti is in Tamil. I assume you mean (correct me!)
adi= adikamAna (lot of/excessive) vyAdi (diseases) hara (remover/removing) shrI AnjanEyA
Meaning-wise why adi? Shouldn't it be 'entha' (any) thugh it will not fit musically here.
Further at times the song sounds as 'adi vyAdikara' (creating a lot of diseases) which is indeed nonsense!
I just wanted to point out that a vaaggeyakaara has to be careful in choosing his words so that artha does not become anartha since folks (not knowing Tamil) will even sing his songs and the Rasikas will be puzzled.

Don't take this as a criticism; just wanted to emphasize the need for caution in choosing the right 'musical' expressions in compositions. The task of a vaaggeyakaaraka is much tougher than a poet!
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#56

Post by vageyakara » 06 Apr 2007, 21:15

dear cM lover Thank for ur comments. The Name of the Diety ( of Nanganallur is Aadhivyadi hara sri aanjaneya swamy. Perhaps i might have unintetionally pronounced in my rendering. Any it should not be kara! Perhaps due to the quality of recording it might have sounded like kara.
Ramaraj
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#57

Post by cmlover » 06 Apr 2007, 21:36

Thanks dear Ramraj. That explanation is very illuminative;
aadivyAdhihara meaning the eliminator of samsaara (rebirth which is the aadivyAdhi) is a very beautiful concept/name for the deity. It is very important that musicians understand and sing the lyrics as otherwise especially in bhaktigItams Lord may give what is requested as in the famous vedic story of 'indrashatrurvadasva' invoked by vrittira's father which destroyed his own son in the battle with indra!
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#58

Post by rshankar » 06 Apr 2007, 22:11

cmlover wrote:Lord may give what is requested as in the famous vedic story of 'indrashatrurvadasva' invoked by vrittira's father which destroyed his own son in the battle with indra!
CML,
:lol:
What was the father trying to ask for when he said 'indraSatruvadasva'?
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#59

Post by cmlover » 06 Apr 2007, 22:25

I thought the story is wellknown. I will be brief here just focussing on the sanskrit. The enmity of vriiira and Indra is well known and is described in the Rig veda. Vriittira's father performed a yagna to invoke power for his son and he chanted at the culmination ' indrashatruH vadasva'. Now indrashatru that he intended was 'indra who is the enemy' (this is a dvanda compound). Since vedic sanskrit has accents the accent should be on 'indra' here. But as a bahuvrihi compound 'indrashatru' means the enemy (shatru) of indra (which in this case is vrittira). The accent here is on shatru. The poor father while asking for the boon had placed the wrong accent and the invocation fulfiled the request by having vrittira killed by indra!

hence our elders say that mantras (especially vedic) should be intonated properly (to be learned through one's aacaarya as otherwise one will get negative consequence!
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#60

Post by vageyakara » 06 Apr 2007, 23:09

Dear cM Lover , I want to add more explanation to the earlier post.The fore most vyaadhi is "BHAVAROnivarannaHA " AND THE CONCEPTUAL MEANING goes like this'Oh Bhavaro NivaaraNaa this is the apt.moment when you have to bestow upon us the redressal from the clutches of Birth"
In another kriti of ,mine in the raaga BAHUDAARI.AGAIN ON THE SAME DIETY (of Nanganallur:
"Pavanatanaya paramaatma .. bhava
Bhaya harana paraakrama gunaseema (Pavana)
the above kriti is in telugu
This was sung by Mr.Raaj kumar Bharaty
Ramaraj
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#61

Post by drshrikaanth » 06 Apr 2007, 23:18

cmlover wrote:otherwise especially in bhaktigItams Lord may give what is requested as in the famous vedic story of 'indrashatrurvadasva' invoked by vrittira's father which destroyed his own son in the battle with indra!
Small correction.indraSatrur vadhasva. As you well know, vada is speak while vadha is to slay. Indra would then have to keep talking all the time and become vAgISa :D

There is also this instance of the King(I forget who) saying "sarpa sarpa" (meaning faster! Hasten!)to the RShis that were carrying his palanquin and ended up being granted the birth of a snake!
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Post by cmlover » 06 Apr 2007, 23:20

I guess you mean 'bhava rOga = the disease of birth (samsaara)' nivAraNaH (one who cures) hence
bhavaroganivAraNah is precisely aadivyAdhihara which is the name of the deity (AnjanEya).
Do post the audio by RK bharati (if it is not commercial) for us to enjoy!
regards...
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#63

Post by cmlover » 06 Apr 2007, 23:21

Thanks DRS for the correction!
and the nahuShA incident..
(we better use Arun's program to avoid problems with linguistic transliterations :)
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#64

Post by drshrikaanth » 06 Apr 2007, 23:24

Yes nahuSha (Just remembered) when he accepts the indrapadavi and insists on having indrANi (SacI) as his wife and the saptaRShis carry his palanquin
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#65

Post by vasanthakokilam » 06 Apr 2007, 23:34

Indra would then have to keep talking all the time and become vAgISa :D
:lol:

Vriittira's father could have as well employed that technique and keep Indra busy thus providing Vriittira a slight battlefield advantage. :)
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#66

Post by vageyakara » 07 Apr 2007, 13:10

Dear CM lover, Unfortunately the audio recording for the Aabhogi kriti is not available.
The audi recording for "Aadi madyaanta rahitE' IN THE RAAGAM Kaatyaani sung by RKB is available at the Karnatik.com website.Incidentally this is the one and the only kriti in this particular raagam.I wonder whether there is any other in the raaga.Please listen and let me have ur feedback
Ramaraj
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#67 Re: ABHOGI

Post by Sreeni Rajarao » 17 Sep 2015, 04:47

On the occasion of Ganesha habba, I would like to present a composition on Ganesha in ABhOgi rAga

Composer: Veena Rajarao

Performed by: Veena Kinhal in Bangalore on Nov 23rd 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS4TGHV ... e=youtu.be

Link for download:

https://archive.org/details/VandipeNina ... 2012Edited
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#68 Re: ABHOGI

Post by SrinathK » 11 Jan 2019, 09:39

And here's to the revival of another raga thread. There are lots of kritis in AbhOgi, but with most of the original links in this thread now dead, I at least hope the ones I'm sharing now will be around for years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Px9xrrxpE - this is an album of LGJ where the first item is sabhApattikku vEru deivam (Gopalakrishna Bharati) - Just listen to that raga bhava (and the kalpanaswaras).

And the AbhOgi varnam of course :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWPWEivfmqE

While I'm doing this, I will try my best to steer away from inviting trouble for sharing links - so mostly only ancient recordings or officially released ones will be shared on the raga threads (and ditto for the musicians' pages).
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#69 Re: ABHOGI

Post by SrinathK » 14 Jan 2019, 14:33

An old recording of Semmangudi singing Thyagaraja's nannu brOva nIkinta tAmasamA :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D7ZHX4_03Y

The weight of those sangatis and those firecracker swaras at the end...

I say, this thread should be about exploring swaras in the ragas as well.
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#70 Re: ABHOGI

Post by SrinathK » 16 Jan 2019, 11:22

Then manasu nilpa of Thyagaraja - this one is an all time classic rendering (listen to the AlApanA) by GNB (it seems half a step flat in pitch though).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIouQsDVtco
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#71 Re: ABHOGI

Post by SrinathK » 12 Feb 2019, 20:11

sabhApatikku vEru deivam by MS Amma with the full manodharma treatment : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhAUtXYpe10
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