What's the raga? Again #2

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 04 Jul 2009, 21:59

Yet another interesting treat: http://sunson.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/ ... c-music-2/

I suspect this one would be easier. Anyway, enjoy! Any comments/opinions as before are always appreciated!

Note - answers are on the post itself and "hidden" until revealed. So to let others enjoy the post, please do not post the direct answer here - please do not be "that friend who blurts out the raga before we can figure it out"

. I just want people to enjoy some rare pieces (atleast what I think are rare - may not be rare to all) and get their own individual satisfaction in getting the raga.

Thanks
Arun

shripathi_g · Post by **shripathi_g** » 04 Jul 2009, 22:14

____________ in ____________?

Edited so that I don't spoil it for others though it might be too late.

shripathi_g · Post by **shripathi_g** » 04 Jul 2009, 22:15

Sorry, didn't see that the answers were given below.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 04 Jul 2009, 22:22

shripathi - you can edit that post #2 above if you want using the "Edit" link under it.

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 04 Jul 2009, 23:09

Hmm, Shripathi did spoil this one for me.

Arun, perhaps next time is it possible to lock the new thread you start here?
(Or is it only admins who can do this?)

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 04 Jul 2009, 23:56

Got it readily since I have heard it from this master before! But the initial ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“gruntÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ fooled me to thinking your most favourite for a while till I recovered! I have never looked at the svaras for this raga and I checked with SRJ who differs considerably from yours. Can you reconcile? Again what is R3 doing in that mela

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 05 Jul 2009, 00:16

The first bit of 4 seconds gave me some clues.. I paused the play and tried to work on it, did not work.. continued the play.. got it in the next couple of seconds. I think your clue about 'a famous song in a raga for which alapana is usually not done' gave it away to some extent.

naarayanan · Post by **naarayanan** » 05 Jul 2009, 10:06

the chitta swaram is available in cq 17.

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 05 Jul 2009, 13:04

I'm not familiar with this raga.

I was thinking of kokila dhawani ... Sancharams like gmp seem to be allowed.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 05 Jul 2009, 19:45

cml - R3 was (obviously) a typo

. I just used aro/avaro from a single source (wiki) and thought it matched the initial part of cittaswaram (at least the little I could recall). I also see now it is quite different from SRJ's - I am not familiar with the intricacies here to know the significance of the difference between the two. Perhaps they also speak to what Srikant observes above.

Arun

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 06 Jul 2009, 03:45

Thanks Arun! So shall we say the aro/avaro of this raga is just controversial?
The aalaap does not display much of the sharp S-P transition! Though I agree the chittaswarams exploit it vigorously. By the by were the chittaswarams composed by Thyagaraja himself?

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 06 Jul 2009, 04:12

But isn't the panchamam taken up from the shadjam via glides during the alapanai? I thought that did give it this raga's flavour. Whereas in a raga like sahAna which has PMD phrases, the panchamam is usually sung straight when starting off the phrase.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 06 Jul 2009, 04:54

cml - from what I can tell even in the first 30 seconds are so there are 3 s-p transition by the vocalist including one at very very start - although the 2nd and 3rd ones are more fleeting.

And as bilahari says the Pa is taken as a slide (bilahari btw, you half-violated my request about direct references in above post, and cml has completely violated it

). I dont know who composed cittaswarams - I doubt it would have been Thyagaraja since in most cases it were later additions.

Arun

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 06 Jul 2009, 06:22

Arun, violations unviolated

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 06 Jul 2009, 08:06

Yikes, sorry Arun. And thank you, VK, for editing my post!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 06 Jul 2009, 09:05

Good work VK! But by now it is an open secret. Time for Arun to educate us

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 06 Jul 2009, 10:10

naarayanan wrote:the chitta swaram is available in cq 17.

Chitta swarams for Thyagaraja krithis are usually not part of the original composition. I wonder who composed this chitta swaram? Was it GNB himself.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 06 Jul 2009, 22:08

cmlover wrote: Time for Arun to educate us

I first have to get educated to do that

- dont know enough about this raga.

Arun

Jigyaasa · Post by **Jigyaasa** » 06 Jul 2009, 22:41

All great musicians seem to display how they've been inspired by the compositions themselves in their AlApana, even for minor rAgAs (in fact, all the more so for such rAgas I think) The way the artist began his essay was enuf for me to ascertain the rAga. Can't believe some1's actually sung it for more than 3 mins!

gn.sn42 · Post by **gn.sn42** » 06 Jul 2009, 22:50

arunk wrote:
cmlover wrote: Time for Arun to educate us
I first have to get educated to do that - dont know enough about this raga.

Arun

The Cleveland aradhana has audio of TR Subramaniam teaching students the song in question with some commentary on the raga. The link below is a page with a number of .zip files.

http://www.aradhana.org/sampradaya/2007/index.htm

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 07 Jul 2009, 01:33

gn.sn42 - cool! Thanks!

Arun

sivapriya · Post by **sivapriya** » 19 Nov 2009, 19:38

Arun,

Great mental teasers!!

But the great GNB in true tradtion and vidwat gives away Chenchukamboji at the first word go. That is like a true traditionalist !!!

Geat. Keep it coming !!