ugAbhOgas

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 11 Jan 2007, 04:21

http://www2.dishant.com/mailsong/13916.html

Here is one rAgamalika by MLV. Starts with my now favorite rAga.
Followed by lalit like rAga

mnsriram · Post by **mnsriram** » 11 Jan 2007, 23:02

Could anyone post lyrics and meaning for "Anayu karadarE" please?

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 11 Jan 2007, 23:25

Here is the sAhitya of the ugAbhOga

Aneyu karedare AdimUla bandante
ajAmiLanu karedare nArAyaNanu bandante
aDaviyalli dhruvarAya karedare vAsudEva bandante
sabheyalli draupadi karedare srIkrishna bandante
ninna dAsara dAsanu nA karedare
enna pAlisabEku purandara viTThala

You may notice that it lacks the dvitIyAkshara prAsa, p-ap-c structure, and also has unequal lengths of pAdas which I had mentioned when giving characteristics of ugAbhOga in another post

Here is the meaning. I have tried to do a line-by-line translation:

Like the almighty, who came when the elephant called
Like nArAyaNa who came when ajAmiLa called,
Like vAsudEva, who came when the prince dhruva called from the forest
Like Srikrishna, who came when called by draupadi called from the assembly
when I, servant of your servants, call
you should protect me, Oh purandara viTThala

-Ramakriya

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 11 Jan 2007, 23:42

Ramakriya,
I think we should move your description of ugAbhOga here. So people can follow this thread.

Moderators can do that. (from TRS thread)

mnsriram · Post by **mnsriram** » 12 Jan 2007, 00:27

Thanks Ramakriya.

Here is my attempt of "Aneyu karedare" (learnt from MLVs version)

http://www.rogepost.com/n/0232412688

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 12 Jan 2007, 01:26

Excellent rendition Sriram.

Make sure you stress the 'e' in Ane, sabhe etc - I see it gets rounded off like a 'a' or 'ai' sometimes.
But some times you got it correct too

MLV, (and also Sudha, and P Susheela ) do the same - may be because these words (that end in 'e' in kannaDa generally end in 'ai' in tamizh ) - anai, veeNai, talai sabhai etc:

p.s: I added the meaning of the song now along with the words.

mnsriram · Post by **mnsriram** » 12 Jan 2007, 01:52

Ramakriya, thanks for your suggestions and the meaning

sridevi · Post by **sridevi** » 12 Jan 2007, 01:52

Well done.. Sriram. The brighas have come out very well. This is one of my favorite ugabhogas.

Sridevi

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 12 Jan 2007, 01:58

ramakriya wrote:MLV, (and also Sudha, and P Susheela ) do the same - may be because these words (that end in 'e' in kannaDa generally end in 'ai' in tamizh ) - anai, veeNai, talai sabhai etc:

Ramakriya,
Since Sriram is not a tamilian, and neither is P Susheela, I think these errors in pronunciation may creep in unawares, unless they take extarordinary pains to get it corrcet...

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 12 Jan 2007, 03:08

I just gave a pointer

I hope Sriram takes in the right spirit! - And I cited those names, because these artists do justice to the sAhitya of kannada compositions except for this minor point. That was the only reason.

-Ramakriya

mnsriram · Post by **mnsriram** » 12 Jan 2007, 03:17

Taken totally in the right spirit. Actually, the main reason I posted this was to have my pronunciation corrected

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 12 Jan 2007, 03:23

good job sriram!

Sam Swaminathan · Post by **Sam Swaminathan** » 12 Jan 2007, 03:30

Very....very well done Sriram.....Excellent voice and control

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 12 Jan 2007, 03:37

Sriram - your singing has a certain haunting style to it that I find very attractive. (I already have an 'mns' folder in my music directory!)

Can I request you to put together a collection of pieces (varnam, prati-madhyama, etc.) that together would constitute a full concert. Take your own time.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 12 Jan 2007, 03:39

jayaram wrote:I already have an 'mns' folder in my music directory!)

jayaram, you are not alone

mnsriram · Post by **mnsriram** » 12 Jan 2007, 04:12

Thanks Sridevi. Thanks Suji. Thanks Sam.

Jayaram and Ramakriya, I am very flattered.

jayaram wrote:Can I request you to put together a collection of pieces (varnam, prati-madhyama, etc.) that together would constitute a full concert. Take your own time.

Thanks for asking although I must confess that my technical knowledge in CM is absolutely minimal. The best I can do is try and reproduce what I listen to. I lack the manOdharma that one with good understanding of CM would have so I am restricted here to only learning krithis and other pieces that I find good. Maybe one day .....

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 12 Jan 2007, 06:17

sriram,

very, very impressive!

Arun

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 12 Jan 2007, 06:33

mns - i was listening to this song again, and have a comment. The pallavi line you sing right at the beginning had a mohanam flavor. Perhaps you can bring in the sivarajani early on.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 12 Jan 2007, 06:35

Sriram,
Excellent, as always!

thanjavur · Post by **thanjavur** » 12 Jan 2007, 07:33

You can find 2 songs at,

Nada Anuboothi
http://home.sprynet.com/~dsivakumar/music/intromus.htm

Music Categories > Carnatic - Vocal > Song Title Y

Yugaboga (on Page 2 of 2)

mnsriram · Post by **mnsriram** » 12 Jan 2007, 14:29

Thanks Arun. Thanks Shankar.

mnsriram · Post by **mnsriram** » 12 Jan 2007, 14:31

jayaram wrote:mns - i was listening to this song again, and have a comment. The pallavi line you sing right at the beginning had a mohanam flavor. Perhaps you can bring in the sivarajani early on.

Ok. Thanks. I will give it another try.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 13 Jan 2007, 11:03

Here is one ugAbhOga - of purandara dAsa by your's truly

http://www.rogepost.com/n/9842913503

This is an experiment

So don't laugh if it looks like a circus!

Hopefully people who were following the grahabhEda thread last couple of days should be able to place the significance of rAga :/

-Ramakriya

sridevi · Post by **sridevi** » 13 Jan 2007, 21:37

mana chanchaladi
http://www.rogepost.com/n/7487437110

Here is one more rarely heard ugabhoga with a purandara dasa krithi I learnt from my aunt.
I have posted another one in the purandara dasa thread under the vaggeyakaras section.

May be we should have a section where forum members can post their renditions...

BTW ramakriya I am not able to access the link. Will I see you today at the aradhane?

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 13 Jan 2007, 22:28

ramakriya wrote:Here is one ugAbhOga - of purandara dAsa by your's truly

http://www.rogepost.com/n/9842913503

This is an experiment So don't laugh if it looks like a circus!

Hopefully people who were following the grahabhEda thread last couple of days should be able to place the significance of rAga :/

-Ramakriya

It does start off like ranjani. May be I don't know the name otherwise

Is it ranjani with M1

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 13 Jan 2007, 22:31

sridevi wrote:mana chanchaladi
http://www.rogepost.com/n/7487437110

Here is one more rarely heard ugabhoga with a purandara dasa krithi I learnt from my aunt.
I have posted another one in the purandara dasa thread under the vaggeyakaras section.

May be we should have a section where forum members can post their renditions...

BTW ramakriya I am not able to access the link. Will I see you today at the aradhane?

Nice sridevi,
Is it bAgeshri

Just heard hindolam

sridevi · Post by **sridevi** » 13 Jan 2007, 22:38

yes it is.. bageshri and hindolam.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 13 Jan 2007, 22:40

Suji Ram wrote:BTW ramakriya I am not able to access the link. Will I see you today at the aradhane?

Don't know why - At least it is going there now.

Yes. I plan to be at the ArAdhane.

As for as the rAga (or sarAga

read the last 8-10 posts of Graha Bheda thread for a clue.

-Ramakriya

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 13 Jan 2007, 22:43

ramakriya,
I just edited my earlier post.

Now where did I write the post you just qouted in your previous mail ?

meena · Post by **meena** » 13 Jan 2007, 23:55

suji

HELLO make use of our search tool

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 14 Jan 2007, 02:00

meena wrote:suji

HELLO make use of our search tool

Thanks Meena,
Got it.
I do wish I could be at Sridevi's concert.

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 14 Jan 2007, 02:24

What's the word meaning of 'ugAbhOga'?

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 16 Jan 2007, 00:47

Suji Ram wrote:
ramakriya wrote:Here is one ugAbhOga - of purandara dAsa by your's truly

http://www.rogepost.com/n/9842913503

This is an experiment So don't laugh if it looks like a circus!

Hopefully people who were following the grahabhEda thread last couple of days should be able to place the significance of rAga :/

-Ramakriya
It does start off like ranjani. May be I don't know the name otherwise

Is it ranjani with M1

So what's the name of the rAga. Sure to flunk such quiz

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 16 Jan 2007, 00:58

Sorry for the late answer - Weekends are not very good for me as for as posting to the forum are concerned

Folks, few questions; Please give your honest answers:

1. Did it have a feel of a rAga at all or just looked like juglery ?
2. If it did, did you feel it was excessively encroching on Ranjani territory ?
3. Was it similar, but distinct from Ranjani, to give a seperate identity?

In the grahabhEda thread, arunk came with a question on rAgas t hat would give the same rAga upon grahabhEda. There were two answers. One was gOpriya, and the other a swarAntara rAga with
s g2 m2 d2 s - s d2 m2 g2 s (Refer to post #84 in the following page)

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=633&p=4

I just tried to sing an ugAbhOga this scale: s g2 m2 d2 s - s d2 m3 g2 s, which gives rise to the same scale when grahabheda is done on any of its swaras. For fun, I called it arunamArgini simply because Arun was quizzing us! This scale may exist under some other name - Sri Lakshman can clarify.

If it has the feel of a rAga, then it may be time for composers to take note. It is a tight rope walk for me but

there are a lot of skilled people on the forum who can handle such things with ease!

The sancharas like s g2 m2 , m2 d2 s, d2 m2 g2 etc. are very much ranjani like.

I wanted to show the grahabheda effect in that recording, but ended up not doing it. May be some other time!

-Ramakriya

I will try to answer jayaram's question later. Meanwhile, can any of the moderators move some related postings from TRS thread into this?

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 16 Jan 2007, 01:00

I would say 3.
I did hear M2 that's why I believed it is in the territory of ranjani
will have listen to it to get the feel for the rAga

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 16 Jan 2007, 01:11

There is no rAgA that I could find which has S G2 M2 D2 S/S D2 M2 G2 S as the scale. The closest one is shaktirUpiNi SGMDS/SNDMGS under mELA 58.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 16 Jan 2007, 01:18

ramakriya,

Somehow I missed this post and heard your rendition only now. Very nice! Of course your clue for too obvious to me as soon as i sensed a ranjani feel

. As I had suspected the raga does have a lot of ranjani in it.

Arun

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 16 Jan 2007, 01:25

Thanks arunk.

Now that Sri Lakshman says that this scale does not exist in books

Viola! We have a brand new scale. What if it feels like Ranjani, and a tight rope walk ? Even Odeyar's Bhanuchandrike has the same problems with hindOLa!

Another rAga that feels very close to this (at least to my ears), at times is hindOl (hindUstAni)
(in spite of having the sharper gAndhAra)

The sanchara for (hindUstAni) hindOL goes like

s g3 m2 d2 n3 m2 d2 s
s d2 m2 g3 m2 g3 m s

-Ramakriya

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 16 Jan 2007, 01:35

Congrats Ramakriya for creating a new rAga-arunamArgini, or put it as arunamArgadesi- so we can all get one answer right in quiz

Now anyone- compose a varNA please.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 16 Jan 2007, 01:40

i think a different name would be better. How about a raga with 2 parts: first part implies equi-spaced, and the last part is ranjani. What would be an appropriate sanskrit term for first part?

But desi as a suffix is good too - just for the sake of the quiz

Arun

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 16 Jan 2007, 02:25

susamaranjani

sama -> equal
su -> good, qualifier for sama

-Ramakriya

mnsriram · Post by **mnsriram** » 16 Jan 2007, 03:35

Nice Ramakriya. When I heard it the first time I thought it was close to a rAgA I knew but couldn't place it. Listening again I do feel it is close to Ranjani.

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 16 Jan 2007, 03:46

thanjavur wrote:Yugaboga

Ah, that could be the origin of 'ugabhoga': Yuga (new age) + bhoga (enjoyment)

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 16 Jan 2007, 04:48

Certainly not. There is no 'y' vyanjana there ! It is indeed ugAbhOga.

-Ramakriya

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 16 Jan 2007, 04:51

I looked for this word in kannada dictionary. it did not show up.
I got upabhoga

How do you break this word with meaning

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 16 Jan 2007, 04:53

ugAdi seems to be Yuga + Adi
Apply similar logic...
(the 'Y' sound must have got trasnformed over time...)

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 16 Jan 2007, 05:10

According to scholars, the word ugAbhOga has come from names of two parts of a prabandha ( a musical composition) - udgrAha and abhOga.

More details here:

Copy-paste from www.dvaita.org

Ughabhogas: It is a very simple piece set to Sarvalaghutala, more elementary than the Gita. It is an integrated musical piece of Raga, Bhava, Tala Samanvaya. As far as the Bhava aspect of Ugabhoga is concerned it is the direct translation of the thoughts of the composer in the ectasy of inspiration.

The word Ughabhoga is in existence since 1210-1240 during Sharggadeva rule. There is no mention of this word in Philosophical literature. The literature used for composing songs were called Prabhandha, and there are two types of Prabhandha viz Nibhadda and Anibhadda. The one which comprises of tala is called Nibhadda and one which is very less or no existence of tala is called Anibhadda. Ugabhoga comes under the perview of Anibhadda. Ughabhoga comprises of five datus viz Udgraha, Melapaka, Druva, Antara and Abhoga for this fve datus if you amalgmate adyantha padas it is called 'udgrahaa bhoga' in sanskrit and in kannada it is called Ughabhoga. Based on these principles Haridasas composed many songs.

From the composition point of view Ugahabhogas are different from Keertanas and suladis. It is neither in the frame work of raga, tala etc and it is based on the short musical mystic feeling about the incidences or occurances. Ugahabhogas are different from vachanas.

Prof R.Satyanarayana has written an elaborate essay on the history of suLAdis and ugAbhOgas.

-Ramakriya

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 16 Jan 2007, 17:11

Ramakriya, thanks for that explanation. ugAdi does have its origins in Yuga + Adi, right?