singing aa oo ee and Mu ru ga

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ganesh_mourthy
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singing aa oo ee and Mu ru ga

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This is one question that I have always been wanting to ask all the singers and I did ask a few in fact.


If you are an amateur singer ( like me) or if you want to practise a krithi or memorize it to register it into your memory for instrument playing ( again like me), most of you would have come across this problem.

Imagine you want to sing a song in the higher octave it is always easier to do agaara. For instance, I was helping my niece yesterday giving violin accompaniment to her singing practice.
There is a phrase" Valli Deivayaanai Manavala" in Kaa Vaa Vaa , varali and I lead her first in akaaram to give a shade of it. it goes like S - R - G; - pm -G; -rrs manavaala I have separated it for va - lli -Dei - va - yaa - naai manavaala. Though explaining that is easier by akaaram when she sang it , that was a bit of not so comfortable area for her, though it should not be for a trained musician. The intensity obviously lowered whereas she was easy too with the EH EH type of Akaaram. I personally feel that EH EH is easier than EE when you go up and AA at some spots. But the trick is to put words exactly with melody intact and that is a different problem. Let us make for instance Mu ru ga ve la va ne G P G R G P M in some Kalyani perhaps. Here mu ru ga is just not the UU UU AA endining but first Mu with lips sealed and so on. TO attain the same sweetness of the middle octave is sometimes a challenge. I have a friend who occassionally sings devotional songs in Benaras was impressive in explaining it. I think this is where some people could suddenly see their face going hexagoanl and pentagonal . I have observed a female PB singer doing this casually without even properly opening her mouth which is phenomenal. But most people really trouble themselves much and it is too obvious that it is not their comfortable zone. I was told that there are actually voice practices that the western singers take to overcome this. I am sure this is part of some voice culture.

I still remember those days when I was obliged to accompany every visiter who sings for (k or G)olu { Arasi, I slowed down while typing that because of you :( }, and the singer doing some make beleive shots at that area G to P in tharasthayi though it is actually not the exact note they touch . The voice is made feeble there to make it seem like real. Even famous singers do that make believe gym-micks. I used to stress that strongly in my violin ( after all it is fingering , so not a problem) and take a bit of guilty pleasure in it , or you can rather say accentuating and embellishing it for a positive effect ( I am not a terrible sadist).

If you really want to make sure of your perfection in upper registry , use apps like singing aid or tutor and try it out. You will see when you sing that upper registry , esp until PA phrases it is not that same perfection you get in that of the middle registry. For some fun out of it you can also take a selfie of it in HD video and show it to the kids at home who are finicky and reluctant with eating , and you will see them wolf down their food.

That apart , what are the practices and voice cultures involved to overcome it. Has this been addressed yet. Or perhaps , our music system takes it frivolously?!

Ganesh Mourthy

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I am not sure I follow everything you have described in your first paragraph above. I think you are saying that there is greater ease and aesthetics in the middle octave than in the higher one, and many people are imprecise in their swarasthanas for tarasthayee G, M and P. I think you also say that some vowels are easier to sing in the tarasthayee and others more difficult.

I do not know if the various gurus in our system have specific techniques and exercises but our common tradition has the Melsthayee varisai(gal) which offer great practice for singing in the tarasthayee. The exercise is of course, in Mayamalavagowla. I practised it quite regularly when I was learning music and even later and I think my swarasthana is good. I can even go up and down the scale quite fast in Mayamalavagowla. The exercise can be easily applied to any raga and I believe that practicing it in each and every raga (melakarta of course) is sure to be beneficial and can really fix the swarasthanas with precision. Practice makes it perfect and I believe it is more than sufficient an exercise to sing the tarasthayee swaras perfectly without contorting the face, using any vowel. It is available in the Ganamrutha Bodhini.

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Ranganayaki, I agree and I am happy that you are able to do that with ease while many of us are not. Especially when we want to sing some melodic phrases at above Ga it is indeed a problem . Singing Sa ri ga ma pa is indeed important and but that I think a certain technique has to be employed for singing lyrics. I am reasonably comfortable toowith the melsthaayi variasai at good speed /

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ganesh_mourthy wrote:Ranganayaki, I agree and I am happy that you are able to do that with ease while many of us are not. Especially when we want to sing some melodic phrases at above Ga it is indeed a problem . Singing Sa ri ga ma pa is indeed important and but that I think a certain technique has to be employed for singing lyrics. I am reasonably comfortable toowith the melsthaayi variasai at good speed /
I feel a little embarrassed by your first sentence. I don't claim to be all that talented. I am just conscious of swarasthana and try to sing correctly. My laya is atrocious. I have been trying to sing a beloved kriti in Mishra Chapu, and while I know the place of all my lyrics in the taala, and my bhava is decent, I tried singing with a metronome, and was shocked at the inconsistency.. I just cannot get it right. Now I try to practice it with the metronome, and while I do that, all the bhava is lost. But I am hopeful that with lots of practice (LOTS) I will be able to get it right.

I am trying to understand exactly what you are saying. When Melsthayee lyrics are difficult, snging the swaras first before the akaarams may be helpful, and you did not say that you were doing that with your niece. I remember a sangati in the very third kriti I was taught: Rama Neeve Kaani in Narayani. One of the sangatis reaching up into Pa was very difficult for me and was coming out all wrong, whereas I could handle the middle octave quite well, with melody, just as you said. My father, who supervised my practice had me sing the swaras for the part leading into the difficult part and then the difficult part itself and then together. It helped and I was able to sing it correctly. I think it was just an unwillingness to accommodate approximation. He insisted and I was willing.

The sangati went nan.....nu......... with one dot for every akshara after nann and nu (nann at middle octave Pa and Nu at the higher Pa). The swaras were pdsrmr-pmrsndpmrs. My father always did this for me, and I adopted the practice later when I tried to learn krities on my own.

I apologize if I sounded as though I don't see the difficulty. I do, all too well. I was just sharing my experience. Also, I thought you were talking about your difficulty in teaching your niece, not your own difficuly. I could tell that you have an ear for the swaras, as you described the line you were talking about.
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Thanks Ranganayaki , that was elaborate and a indeed good explanation. When I was in London I remember an incident . One evening I was singing sitting leisurely in the backyard , and doing a slow alapana in Brinda Vana saranga and I was having some problem in Upper octove. My octogenarian English neighbour ( we had 70 year gap then) who was also a school music teacher told me that I should try some short sounds for a few min as warm up with each note and it really worked and I still do it sometimes.. He asked me to use short sound like ku or tu ( very short and crisp one)

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I am not sure I follow.. Would you just say short and crisp ri-ri-ri as ku-ku-ku for a minute or two? Please do share the technique in greater detail and tell us how it helped. What difference did you experience?

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yes indeed that short short ri or ku . This was very evident when I was helping my niece and few other kids when they started. If you are right away going to do the tharasthayi when you begin , you might unknowingly strain your throat and vocal chords and may end up with a sore throat. This technique , as he told me , is being used to train your voice for higher notes. So the sounds are less than 1/2 of a second - a quick sound raising up to the note what is comfortable and then coming back and going any further only when you are comfortable with the last higher note you have sung. But it is not a continous sound like how we practise our varisais, instead a break in between notes.

But, if you still have some problem in understanding that I shall try to record and upload it.

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I get it. Your explanation is quite clear. But feel free to upload for everyone.

But there is one thing I don't understand. You seem to have a technique that you have tried with several children and you are satisfied with it. You already seem to have already had an answer to your own question. Why did you then ask it? It seems I need not have stuck my neck out and got embarrassed by your response. I don't really appreciate it.

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Ranganayaki,

No one got embarassed anywhere , so not to worry. Well , what the English man recommended was an exercise to increase note strengh and to loosen your vocal chord a little bit. When you do such short sounds it does not hurt as much as the long one. But, what I was asking was to translate that convenience into melodic sequences or lyrics. It may be like you are reinventing the wheel but actually not. There are numberous videos in you tube itself where I can see that even the famous musicians struggle a little bit at that point, but pointing that out with a link is not the objective. I agree, as you said, singing the notes and then agaara many times of that sangathis really helps. But I am asking if there are anyother vocal tenchniques or practised in the new schools where the teachers have more exposure to voice cultures and voice trainings. I know that this is a different topic altogther, but there are many in youtube that are being in western and I am trying to understand if any of them can be incorporated into our practices without affecting our system.

I will try to come up with more links in the next post to concretely compare.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPS2eS3s-7I

Ranganayaki,

After some searchign around I found this. I am sure licaado is the one that I was practising and sticcaado is the one probably my English friend was recommending from what I am able to infer. It happened years ago.

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Thank you.. I wish he had demonstrated the difference between his head voice and his chest voice (will try to find that).. But I tried the madhya and taara sthayee and found that I do use less air.. but is that my head voice? I don't know..

I would like to also share with you that the words he used were "staccato" and "legato". He speaks with an accent which transforms the t to a d..

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jRTxvkq04Q

This seem very practical too.

Whenever I am at a live cutchery and see a singer nonchalantly singing but with great ease and bhava that is very captivating by itself.

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