Sanjay Subrahmanyan
"Repetitive oscillation of spaces between notes is the 'new' definition of artistic honesty and aesthetic integrity in Carnatic Music."
Paraphrase required!
Aesthetic integrity
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shankarank
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Re: Aesthetic integrity
I don't understand. Does he mean the use of gamakas? If so that has become somewhat dry , cliched criticism of Carnatic music since old days starting with BhAtkanDe down to even 20th century HM musicians ( SB quoted them as of 1988/89 in his IIT Lecdem) talking about too much gamak in Carnatic music.
Ganesh/Kumaresh alluded to the same thing ( I am breaking some privacy here! - nothing controversial about that - hence) in a private conversation - their opinion: Amount of Gamaka should reduce! They also were critical of intellectualization of the music. When discussion turned into Dr HMB, Kumaresh would say - how we should do an Aradhana ( well he was not a Sanyasi - something else) for him as well. "Look how they viewed music!" - he would point out - giving colors and attributes to svaras and rAgAs!
What is new in this refrain?
If Sanjay is able to perfect himself in oscillation between tALa kriyAs - he would deliver the same experience to some of us. I cannot speak for everybody! I don't care if he sings a 4 note rAgA - not that he has to sing one to prove a point!
If I am off track - course correct me!
Ganesh/Kumaresh alluded to the same thing ( I am breaking some privacy here! - nothing controversial about that - hence) in a private conversation - their opinion: Amount of Gamaka should reduce! They also were critical of intellectualization of the music. When discussion turned into Dr HMB, Kumaresh would say - how we should do an Aradhana ( well he was not a Sanyasi - something else) for him as well. "Look how they viewed music!" - he would point out - giving colors and attributes to svaras and rAgAs!
What is new in this refrain?
If Sanjay is able to perfect himself in oscillation between tALa kriyAs - he would deliver the same experience to some of us. I cannot speak for everybody! I don't care if he sings a 4 note rAgA - not that he has to sing one to prove a point!
If I am off track - course correct me!
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MaheshS
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Re: Aesthetic integrity
This was posted by Sanjay Sub on twitter, someone replied asking,
He replied,sir isn't that the gamakam which is the jeeva of Carnatic music? So why 'new'? Pardon my ignorance
When asked for an example, he simply replied,Gamakam is oscillation of note, not space between notes
I still have no idea what he means, can anyone please post some examples?Search YouTube and ye shall find
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shankarank
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Re: Aesthetic integrity
I remember a "cmlover" post in Sangeetham.com about ilayaraja in janani janani, exploring that space (between notes!) with his off Sruti voice! I tried in vain to see if the same discussion happened by searching this forum!
Again people tweet without specifics - and we don't know what they mean. Is it a lakshana violation? Or rAgA identity violation? whose claim is he responding to?
Again people tweet without specifics - and we don't know what they mean. Is it a lakshana violation? Or rAgA identity violation? whose claim is he responding to?
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balavenu
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Re: Aesthetic integrity
Could be his view on what he perceives to be TMK's position; I might just be reading too much.kvchellappa wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 20:00 Sanjay Subrahmanyan
"Repetitive oscillation of spaces between notes is the 'new' definition of artistic honesty and aesthetic integrity in Carnatic Music."
Paraphrase required!
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kvchellappa
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Re: Aesthetic integrity
That thought crossed my mind too, but TMK may talk nonsense ('may' out of politeness), but he is rock solid on music, his recent aberrations notwithstanding. However, I am still confused between swarasthana, gamakam, and inbetween space. If you oscillate the swara it goes into the space above or below in an arithmetical way of speaking. I thought someone will throw some light on it even if I cannot quite follow.
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balavenu
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Re: Aesthetic integrity
"Oscillation _in_ the space between swarasthanas" conveys it better than "oscillating _of_ the space...".
Though we normally use "oscillation of swarasthana" it's just the waveform that we're referring to and not a particular frequency being oscillated. The term may have appeared because we vocalize a single swara during the entirety of the oscillation.
There are many swarasthanas in carnatic ragas (like the Ga of Todi) where the intrinsic roopam itself is a waveform. One doesn't see it as the base frequency of Ga "being oscillated". There are also differences in the oscillations when the same swarasthana is part of a different raga.
Well, kvchellappa, I leave you where you were wrt your question!
Btw, it was the second part of the statement that informed my guess ("artistic honesty and aesthetic integrity").
Though we normally use "oscillation of swarasthana" it's just the waveform that we're referring to and not a particular frequency being oscillated. The term may have appeared because we vocalize a single swara during the entirety of the oscillation.
There are many swarasthanas in carnatic ragas (like the Ga of Todi) where the intrinsic roopam itself is a waveform. One doesn't see it as the base frequency of Ga "being oscillated". There are also differences in the oscillations when the same swarasthana is part of a different raga.
Well, kvchellappa, I leave you where you were wrt your question!
Btw, it was the second part of the statement that informed my guess ("artistic honesty and aesthetic integrity").