When to stop giving concert

[kvchellappa]

Is age the criterion?
When I listen to Smt. R Vedavalli, Smt. Rama Ravi, Smt. Seetha Narayanan, Sri TNK, etc. I do not get the impression that they should stop giving concert because they had crossed a certain age. Chembai and Srikantan sir sang well in old age. Age cannot be the criterion. Their being uncomfortable will be the criterion. Or, when something like this happens:
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A non-concert can be stopped irrespective of age.

[shankarank]

When I , TMK can stop performing in the season for lofty goals, the Seniors should have no qualms stopping for mundane stuff like voice, Sruti, tALam etc.

[shankarank]

A non-concert can be stopped irrespective of age.

Those who do not need that much courage to get up and walkout before a taniyAvartanam, have not mustered courage to walk out during the rAgAs/songs they may not like! So this does not seem to be like/dislike thing. Whenever they feel it is a non-concert they don't even need any courage to walkout. They should just do it!!!

[jodha]

Once I did that.but the artist stopped me by saying he will loose his manodharmam if rasikas start doing this, of course adjusting his angavasthram

[pattu]

TMK must stop giving concerts immediately. He has lost his gamakas. I heard his singing of Sri Matrubhutam and Dakshinamurte and also Tiruvadi Charanam. Pathetic the rendition was. Absolutely flat and dismissive of true values of CM. It was an insult to Dikshitar. His versions of SSP songs is anyway pathetic based on his total misunderstanding of Subbarama Dikshitar's notations. TMK has no qualification to ask others to stop. He needs to stop singing and join politics, especially a "secular" party where he can get more rasikas. He must for heaven's sake spare CM and its rasikas.

[sureshvv]

He has lost his gamakas. .

A new phrase is born

[ram1999]

He has lost his gamakas.

gamakas or his marbles

[bhakthim dehi]

Gamakas, especially kampotam in the past was not used as extensively as they are being used now. Since we are much used to the flavour of kampitam, even if the singer uses some other gamakam, we are unable to appreciate the same.
Anyone with a logical brain can appreciate this fact when they go through Pradarshini.
Times have gone and we can no more sing a ragam with a minimal kampitam. At the same it is also not required to sing with excessive kampitam, as we do it now. A balance is really required.

This is a general statement to create an awareness regarding the use of gamakam. I have not heard TMK singing the Pradarshini version of Dakshinamurthe or Sri Mathrubhutham.

[pattu]

Gamaka does not mean only kampitam. There are others like jAru, ullasitam, vaLi etc. And the interpretation of gamakas may differ but not not very widely. My point was TMK did not work on his gamakas properly whether he was interpreting SSP or singing what he laernt from SSI. The 2 MD songs I mentioned he learnt from SSI not from SSP. .

TMK has had an easy ride to stardom. Being relative of TT Vasu he was early given senior slot in MA, whereas many others had to slog it out in the afternoon slots for many years. He does not know the struggles that a musician has to undergo in order to achieve good vidvat. That is why he comments flippantly about those who have struggled to come up like MS Amma. His was easy success without much hard work. Once MA embraced him thanks to his connections, the whole sabha world of CM embraced him. And that is the reason TMK did not work hard on his music. His music is just show and nothing else. The lack of struggle and hard work shows in his forgetting sahitya and consulting texts on stage and also his pedestrian gamakas.

[kvchellappa]

TMK's music is solid and classical. His background is enviable, but his own merit also is unquestionable.

[ram1999]

.....His music is just show and nothing else.

You nailed it. Perfectly put!!
And singing in vilambakalam / chowka kalam does not make him sound like an MDR. Singing in that pace requires eons of practice. And no way does his music come near the music of MDR in terms of quality / sound effect

[bhakthim dehi]

I never said kampitam is the only gamakam used. It includes the few that you have listed (jaru is grouped under ullasitam, any one name will suffice).
I am not at all interested wither in listening or discussing about the music of TMK; rather wished to record my comment on gamakam.
You have right pointed out that he didn't use the gamakam notated in SSP properly.
I was thinking whether to say this or not.

[Nick H]

Next opening post of a new thread...

TMK

...Watch every one pile in.

[Sachi_R]

I feel we should start a new thread about gamakas.
Like everything we should illustrate with music samples. Verbal cannot replace musical.

[shankarank]

A non-concert can be stopped irrespective of age.

Whenever they feel it is a non-concert they don't even need any courage to walkout. They should just do it!!!

Like those who wouldn't enter a sabha when it rains, to not get wet, but did to cool themselves

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[thenpaanan]

https://sriramv.wordpress.com/2017/12/2 ... cseason-7/

The last sentence reads "Carnatic music can be very tough on its practitioners."

A truer sentence has not been written.

-T

[shankarank]

Well things could have been different. The vidvAn definitely would have known the state of affairs in there. He was driven by sabha mOham. The meaning of the word sabha is lost in there. He certainly could have given a temple concert or spent his time taking tuitions that could have earned him some meaningful wealth.

Well vidvAns like that did that may be including himself - so things are better now may be! But it could be a lot better. This music cannot be taken to as a liking alone. It has to be based on respect to tradition - whether you know the music or not!

[sureshvv]

That vidvan in the story deserves our respect and appreciation for keeping the art alive and ticking in its lean period. He was doing it for us.