Music Instinct - a program on PBS

Miscellaneous topics on Carnatic music
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rshankar
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I serendipitously stumbled on this program when I was channel surfing during a changeover while watching Andy Murray at Wimbledon. It was an awesome program that started with the examination of the question 'Is music appreciation culturally imprinted?', and came full circle to ponder on the question of 'Why music?' after establishing that music is universal, and probably co-evolved with our brains.

Here are some of the highlights of concepts, theories, and ideas resonated with me :P :

I liked the extremely simple experiment used to answer question 1 - A tribe in the Cameroon, the Mafa tribe, is so utterly pristine, it has NO contact with the outside world in general or western music in particular, and yet, they correctly identified the predominant emotion of a piece of classical music played for them.

The brains of musicians are not merely functionally different from those of non-musicians (as detected by functional MRI -fMRI - scans), but are anatomically different - the thickness of the cortex in the temporal lobe (the auditory area, not surprisingly) and the adjacent motor cortex is much more than in non-musicians, and is noticed in both cerebral hemispheres. The corpus callosum, the thick bundle of nerves that connect the two halves is also thicker. Some areas of the frontal cortex are also different. What is also interesting in this example of neuroplasticity is that these may be trained to occur even in adulthood.

I also learnt that by and large, the music composed in a particular language has a recognizably similar cadence to the language itself - people with no training will identify a Debussy composition as 'french' and Elgar's as English, just using their knowledge of the spoken languages, leading the neuroscientist, Anirudh Patel to equate vowels to notes - the pattern of vowels used in the language and notes in compositions in that language are apparently similar. Makes me wonder if people would be able to identify in instrumental pieces, compositions in say tamizh, and hindi...

When the presenters looked at the evolution of music, they seemed to disregard the widely accepted theory that music is an adaptation of language skills - they cited evidence to support the idea that music and language are related, yet distinct capabilities. They claim that the Neanderthal man communicated in musical phrases, a system from which music and dance (which is a physical reaction of our bodies from times immemorial to music) evolved as one stream and language as another distinct stream. More recent fMRI evidence supports the theory by delineating the fact that areas of the brain that are activated by music are very different from that activated by language. In fact, the areas activated by music are more 'primitive' and related to the reward centers - dopaminergic area typically associated with addictive and risk-taking behaviors and basal instincts. They felt that music and the brain evolved together.

The practical application of this neurobiology is of course in the treatment of patients with chronic neurological conditions - using rhythm to 'teach' patients with Parkinson's and other gait disorders to walk, using music/singing to teach aphasic patients to 'talk' etc. I was also very interested in learning that even in very advanced dementia, recognition of music, and emotional response to music is preserved!

The narrators then presented evidence for the universality of music, from the vibrations of the string that holds matter together (the string theory) to the cosmic harmony/music (the vibrations of radio waves from the big bang - where even black holes emit sounds) - leading me to think of what we consider the cosmic sound - the praNava/OmkAra.

They finally came to 'Why music?' - Darwin (ever the evolutionary biologist) felt that it helped in reproductive survival - the more musical male was thought to have a degree of cognitive evolution and physical dexterity, that he became a sought after mate in human evolution. But, more and more researchers feel that the inherent synchronicity of music synchronizes us into societal wholes.

So, vive la musique!

Please navigate to the different links in the this page http://www.pbs.org/wnet/musicinstinct/ to hear these concepts fleshed out, and set forth in the narrators' words and not mine!

VK RAMAN
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Thanks. Nice and simple, easy to understand explanation.

vasanthakokilam
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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Thanks Ravi for the nice summary. Quite interesting!

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Post by knandago2001 »

Ravi: Whoever said serotonin sustains serenity? Its dopamine all over again...

An interesting article from today's edition of The Telegraph - "Human beings, in short, are a musical species" http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090628/j ... 157073.jsp

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bilahari
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Ravi, thanks for the succinct summary! I have a question. You say, "What is also interesting in this example of neuroplasticity is that these may be trained to occur even in adulthood". That is really interesting! I had always imagined that music, like language, can only be truly mastered if acquired at a young (pre-pubescent) age. Might this result imply otherwise? Also, is there such plasticity in language acquisition too? I have been under the impression that a person who picks up a language later in life as an adult cannot, even with dedicated effort, ever gain native fluency and had thought of music in the same sense.

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Post by Umesh »

Ravi, it's nice to see that the "music is important" argument transcends just "enrichment". It's an essential component of our lives.

I know that it is easier for a child to acquire fluency in a language (or just about anything for that matter); I think they say before the age of 7 for languages. But, I don't think it's impossible in adulthood to achieve the same level of competence in adulthood. A lot more effort, yes :), unless there is a latent genius that just takes a while to surface!

rshankar
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knandago2001 wrote:An interesting article from today's edition of The Telegraph - "Human beings, in short, are a musical species" http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090628/j ... 157073.jsp
Nandagopal - Thanks for sharing that article. The author seems to have either seen the show, or been influenced by it!

In another argument to show that music and language are distinct capabilities, the narrators of this show describe people who are tone deaf (amusicalia) who have 'deficits' in brain function that are in areas that are distinct from the areas that are not functioning in people with language deficits.

Bilahari - the example quoted was one of the narrators who underwent functional and structural imaging before and after a year of musical training as an adult (with no prior musical training), and in that short period, differences were clearly visible between the before and after scans. I wish the experiment had included periodic scans, so that the time course of this change could have been identified. (I also think that these illustrative cases were just that - illustrative. The narrators and participants are very well respected neurologists, neurobiologists and neurosurgeons who would only come to conclusions and make sweeping statements after seeing the data from a series of experiments, and not just one.) I would suspect that given the greater potential for plasticity in children's brains, these changes would occur in a much shorter period of time.

Umesh - that is exactly what the narrators were trying to convey - music is inherent in us and the cosmos, not just an embellishing/entertaining/enriching experience. One other interesting thing was the spectral analysis of a baby's cry for instance - IIRC, it is arranged in harmonics...So, there is music every where, and its sheer omnipresence, the narrators argued, is proof that it serves something very useful and integral.

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Post by ragam-talam »

rshankar wrote:In another argument to show that music and language are distinct capabilities, the narrators of this show describe people who are tone deaf
Ravi, you will enjoy this passionate talk (with demo) on TED.com by Benjamin Zander where he argues "Nobody is tone deaf!"
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/benja ... ssion.html

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

I spent some quality time at the Music Instinct PBS web site. It is quite good. Thanks Ravi.

There is enough there to kindle the interest of a whole of lot researches to take the field of direct music therapy towards much more advancement. Some of the stories there are quite heart-warming.

I was left with one curiosity. They are a little bit loose in their characterization that 'musicians brains are different' without making a strong distinction whether the ability to play music is what creates the anatomical differences or just listening to a lot of music can create that change. Because in another segment there is a statement 'the so called Mozart effect is not enough, real engagement with music and a lot of it is needed'. This seems to imply that intent listening and a lot of it can cause the brain anatomical change that can be beneficial.

BTW, the comparison of music with string theory, black holes, cosmic background radiation etc. have to be taken purely as metaphorical.
That is how the scientist types usually intend it for explantory purposes but sometimes that distinction does not come through.

rshankar
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ragam-talam wrote:
rshankar wrote:In another argument to show that music and language are distinct capabilities, the narrators of this show describe people who are tone deaf
Ravi, you will enjoy this passionate talk (with demo) on TED.com by Benjamin Zander where he argues "Nobody is tone deaf!"
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/benja ... ssion.html
R-T thanks for that link. If only some of our musicians could take a page out of Mr. Zander's book and.....!

I agree with him that most people who are self-labeled or labeled by their spouses as tone-deaf are not. But there are some medically proven patients with amusicalia - rare, I agree, but they do exist!!

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Post by gobilalitha »

Excellent discussuions but ,poor me, I have at this advanced age understood what is meant by GREEK and LATIN. gobilalitha

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