Guru Sishya Tree of Mrudangam Artistes
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After many years I have embarked on updating the Guru-Sishya tree of mrudangam artistes
http://www.carnaticcorner.com/articles/ ... gists.html
This was first developed in the late 1990s with help of members of the usenet group rec.music.indian.classical (RMIC)
If you want to add an artist to the tree let me know in this thread and I can update it. I'd prefer to limit new additions to performing artistes (lets say who perform regularly in the December Chennai music season)
http://www.carnaticcorner.com/articles/ ... gists.html
This was first developed in the late 1990s with help of members of the usenet group rec.music.indian.classical (RMIC)
If you want to add an artist to the tree let me know in this thread and I can update it. I'd prefer to limit new additions to performing artistes (lets say who perform regularly in the December Chennai music season)
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Aum
Thanks Mohan
I can update some info , can you please mailo me an excel file please
rajanpad@nedbank.co.za
Aum
Rajan
Disciple of Sri M N Kandaswami
Thanks Mohan
I can update some info , can you please mailo me an excel file please
rajanpad@nedbank.co.za
Aum
Rajan
Disciple of Sri M N Kandaswami
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Good effort Mohan
Kodunthirapully Parameswaran is a senior disciple of Dr T K Murthy. A link about the artist is as below.
http://www.thehindu.com/fr/2007/06/15/s ... 660300.htm
Kodunthirapully Parameswaran is a senior disciple of Dr T K Murthy. A link about the artist is as below.
http://www.thehindu.com/fr/2007/06/15/s ... 660300.htm
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mohan, great work. Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but may I suggest that you consider using graph software that can depict this information better, especially as you get more data and more connections?
Graphvizis an open-source tool that is quite good.
Graphvizis an open-source tool that is quite good.
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Ahh, yes... I see what you mean .mohan wrote:Yes - Nick that's fine - I just didn't want to include every mrudangam student in the world
Please include my Guruji, M Balachandar, under both N Ramaswami and MN Kandaswamy. Even though he has "disappeared" to UK, he is still nothing but a professional mridangist there. Under London Bharatya Vidya Bhavan, he is even teaching degree students and has been accepted as a Fellow of Trinity College (not bad for someone who left school at 15 to be a musician!). He also works ceaselessly at rationalising and codifying the teaching of mridangam, and at the mathematical science of laya. He has professional students here in Chennai, but I think that they only play for dance.
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Dear Mohan,
R.Ramesh is Shri KRM's disciple only.
UKS sir's disciples include
Madurai B.Sundar,
Ammangudi S.Ramnarayan,
Trivandrum N.Hariharan,
R.Charan (Pitsburgh),
Mayavaram S.Siva (Houston),
R.Aravind (forumite),
Mudikondan V.Kaushik,
J.Venkatramanan,
R.Adamya (Banglore),
R.Ramkumar(forumite),
S.Sudharsan,
Swamimalai Girish S.Sundar,
Nellai V. Sreekrishnan,
Madurai V.Vignesh (Boston),
Mannargudi V. Shreyas,
Thalaignayar S.Harish Kumar
R. Akshayram.
R.Ramesh is Shri KRM's disciple only.
UKS sir's disciples include
Madurai B.Sundar,
Ammangudi S.Ramnarayan,
Trivandrum N.Hariharan,
R.Charan (Pitsburgh),
Mayavaram S.Siva (Houston),
R.Aravind (forumite),
Mudikondan V.Kaushik,
J.Venkatramanan,
R.Adamya (Banglore),
R.Ramkumar(forumite),
S.Sudharsan,
Swamimalai Girish S.Sundar,
Nellai V. Sreekrishnan,
Madurai V.Vignesh (Boston),
Mannargudi V. Shreyas,
Thalaignayar S.Harish Kumar
R. Akshayram.
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The Guru Sishya tree would be incomplete unless Prof. Mavelikara Velukkutty Nair, the senior most Mridangam Maestro from Kerala, is put under Sri. Palghat Mani Iyer. He is infact one of the senior desciples of legend Sri. Palakkad T S Mani Iyer. His peers at "Guru Sannidhi" includes Palakkad Raghu, Umayalpuram K Sivaraman, and V Kamalakar Rao. Prof. Velukkutty Nair was one year Junior to Sri. Palghat Raghu, and was senior to Umayalpuram, and Sri. Kamalakar Rao, while studying under the great guru.
An "A Top" artist, he has retired as Professor & Head, Department of Mridangam, Sri. Swathi Thirunal College of Music, Trivandrum. He is equally good in vocal too. There are many occassions where Umayalpuram played mridangam for Prof. Velukkutty Nair's concert.
His desciples includes:
B. Harikumar
T V Vasan (He had training under his brother T V Gopalakrishnan too)
Parassala B Ravi (K V Prasad's first guru)
Alleppey G Chandrasekharan Nair
Trivandrum V Surendran (He had training under Sri. Palghat T R Rajamani too)
Kadakkavoor G S Rajeshnath
Erickavu N Sunil
Trivandrum R. Vaidyanathan (He had training under Sri. Palghat Raght too)
Kadanad V K Gopi
An "A Top" artist, he has retired as Professor & Head, Department of Mridangam, Sri. Swathi Thirunal College of Music, Trivandrum. He is equally good in vocal too. There are many occassions where Umayalpuram played mridangam for Prof. Velukkutty Nair's concert.
His desciples includes:
B. Harikumar
T V Vasan (He had training under his brother T V Gopalakrishnan too)
Parassala B Ravi (K V Prasad's first guru)
Alleppey G Chandrasekharan Nair
Trivandrum V Surendran (He had training under Sri. Palghat T R Rajamani too)
Kadakkavoor G S Rajeshnath
Erickavu N Sunil
Trivandrum R. Vaidyanathan (He had training under Sri. Palghat Raght too)
Kadanad V K Gopi
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Not sure about that. His brother is much younger, almost a different generation, but I have only met him once and don't know him personally.mohan wrote:Nick and Cienu I have added the ones you suggested. Nick, I also added Balachandar's brother Dhanamjayan (who plays for dance) under Coimbatore Ramaswamy Pillai. Have also added a few I got on email.
While I sometimes feel that dance mridangists get a slightly raw deal in terms of perception, I am also guilty of often not perceiving them at all, because I rarely attend dance performances.
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Oh is that so? I didn't know that. Thanks for correcting me and also for the info. BTW cd u please introduce yourself... maybe u can send a message to me raghavendran_t@dell.com
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Aum
Mohan
I will need to do my sheet in excel and postt to you in a few days
as i have the full TREE for the Pudukkotai / Palani tradition downwards
Please mail me at rajanpad@nedbank.co.za
Aum
Rajan
Mohan
I will need to do my sheet in excel and postt to you in a few days
as i have the full TREE for the Pudukkotai / Palani tradition downwards
Please mail me at rajanpad@nedbank.co.za
Aum
Rajan
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mohan,
I looked at a variety of visualization tools. Here are three representative ones for your consideration:
So if it were me, which one would I use? I'd probably go with Cytoscape and play with it for a while until I got a view I liked. But the job's not as simple as I hoped it would be, and you might certainly decide not to go there at all.
(Just to be clear: terrific data, wonderful service. Thanks awfully.)
I looked at a variety of visualization tools. Here are three representative ones for your consideration:
- Network Diagram from Many Eyes is easy to use, and the resulting graph is stored online by Many Eyes, which can be convenient; but the automatically generated graph is poorly formatted and much tweaking is necessary to get the results you might like. (When you add to the data, the tweaking needs to be done over again.)
- Cytoscape is a fantastic tool for all kinds of biology visualizations. For a simple social network like this one, it may be overkill, but it's a good program and produces decent graphs automatically. You can also edit the graph in some detail for taste. The output is a variety of graphics formats such as PNG (a tip: enlarge the graph greatly when you export to PNG; the image will then be nicely readable on small monitors).
- Graphviz is very good and is specifically meant for this sort of graph. It is a bit harder to use and set up, though.
So if it were me, which one would I use? I'd probably go with Cytoscape and play with it for a while until I got a view I liked. But the job's not as simple as I hoped it would be, and you might certainly decide not to go there at all.
(Just to be clear: terrific data, wonderful service. Thanks awfully.)
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gn thanks a lot for the research into visualisation tools - I looked at cytoscope and it looks very complicated and graphviz is hard too.
I tried to do it in Visio using the Org chart set up but it is not allowing me to to do mutliple links (where one person has studied under several gurus). I probably have to use the standard flowchart mode.
It is very time intensive to convert the tree so I will leave this project for a while until I have spare time to do it.
I tried to do it in Visio using the Org chart set up but it is not allowing me to to do mutliple links (where one person has studied under several gurus). I probably have to use the standard flowchart mode.
It is very time intensive to convert the tree so I will leave this project for a while until I have spare time to do it.
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Mohan:
Please add Dr. P. K. Swaminathan (USA) to Sri Umayalpuram K. Sivaraman's disciples list. Sri UKS came to USA exclusively to teach Swaminathan on several visits of over 2 months each between April 1999 and April 2001. Of course, realizing his young daughter Rajna's potential, took her under his wing as well.
Swaminathan runs Rhythm Fantasies, Inc. (the name chosen by Sri UKS himself) promoting South Indian music to the western audience. Under this, he runs the Sri Umayalpuram K. Sivaraman School of Mrudangam with lessons developed by Sri UKS.
Swaminathan has created a special english notation for the lessons, which is also used by Sri UKS's sishyas in Chennai, especially for Swaminathan's students who go there for intensive training.
Swaminathan performs only in USA.
Thanks
Lalitha Swaminathan
Please add Dr. P. K. Swaminathan (USA) to Sri Umayalpuram K. Sivaraman's disciples list. Sri UKS came to USA exclusively to teach Swaminathan on several visits of over 2 months each between April 1999 and April 2001. Of course, realizing his young daughter Rajna's potential, took her under his wing as well.
Swaminathan runs Rhythm Fantasies, Inc. (the name chosen by Sri UKS himself) promoting South Indian music to the western audience. Under this, he runs the Sri Umayalpuram K. Sivaraman School of Mrudangam with lessons developed by Sri UKS.
Swaminathan has created a special english notation for the lessons, which is also used by Sri UKS's sishyas in Chennai, especially for Swaminathan's students who go there for intensive training.
Swaminathan performs only in USA.
Thanks
Lalitha Swaminathan
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Trikkakkara Y N Santharam, Maestro ??? --> This brings us to the question of qualities of a maestro .. will u please explain sir ?
Mannarkoil J.Balaji
Mannarkoil J.Balaji
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@mridhangam - let me first understand the criteria you are putting to be required as qualities of a maestro.
There are artists with extra-ordinary knowledge in the domain, but have not that much shined as a performer. Also, there are others who are extra-ordinary performers, who have little knowledge in the subject. You tell me, who among this is a Maestro.
People are having different views.
Santharam is an A grade artist in AIR. Let me understand the reasons you are putting forward to substantiate your view-point of not considering Santharam as a Maestro.
Btb, are you the Mannarkoil Balaji, who plays Mridangam ?
There are artists with extra-ordinary knowledge in the domain, but have not that much shined as a performer. Also, there are others who are extra-ordinary performers, who have little knowledge in the subject. You tell me, who among this is a Maestro.
People are having different views.
Santharam is an A grade artist in AIR. Let me understand the reasons you are putting forward to substantiate your view-point of not considering Santharam as a Maestro.
Btb, are you the Mannarkoil Balaji, who plays Mridangam ?
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Member krishiore.rajan you have only said Shri.Shantaram is a maestro and it is upto you to prove it. The onus is on u to substantiate.kishore.rajan wrote:@mridhangam - let me first understand the criteria you are putting to be required as qualities of a maestro.
can we consider all A grade artistes as maestros ?kishore.rajan wrote:Santharam is an A grade artist in AIR.
I am Mannarkoil Balaji.kishore.rajan wrote: Btb, are you the Mannarkoil Balaji, who plays Mridangam ?
Shri . Kishore Rajan
I am in no way trying to provoke you or anyone through this forum by starting this issue. I am just trying to understand a few things pointed out by you-especially the word maestro. In a public forum like this we have to be very careful with our words when we call someone a great vidwan or bash someone as pedestrian.
Going by your argument if Shri Santaram can be termed a Maestro how will u address Palghat Mani Iyer, Palani Subramania Pillai and a host of other living senior vidwans we have amidst us ? This is specifically why i asked you the criteria for spelling out a person a maestro. More over i have no grudge or no personal displeasure about any artiste in this field including Shri Shantaram. (In fact Shri Shantaram and i have shared stage quite a few times and i have high regard for his music is an entirely different matter). He may be related to you or he may be your guru or he may be none of the above to you and which is immaterial to me. I have highest regards for all the artistes in this field. My only contention is anyone and everyone cannot be termed something and gotten away without being noticed. Some persons write and some just ignore. I just want to put things in place and proper perspective.
Mannarkoil J Balaji
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I agree entirely about the general spattering of words such as "vidwan" and "maestro" --- if applied to all, or even many, then what words do we have left for those at the top of the tree, past and present? For some, however, it is their feeling that it is a way of giving respect, or it is their personal opinion, to which, I suppose, they are entitled.
As to the words themselves; to my mind, maestro implies an extraordinary physical command. It takes a maestro to play something in a dozen different speeds; it takes a maestro to play different things, bowing and plucking, on a violin, both at the same time. The particular musican I have in mind does not, necessarily, woo me with his music, but seldom fails to leave me open-mouthed at his virtuosity.
(I still think we should discuss this in a different thread!)
As to the words themselves; to my mind, maestro implies an extraordinary physical command. It takes a maestro to play something in a dozen different speeds; it takes a maestro to play different things, bowing and plucking, on a violin, both at the same time. The particular musican I have in mind does not, necessarily, woo me with his music, but seldom fails to leave me open-mouthed at his virtuosity.
(I still think we should discuss this in a different thread!)