We need more tamil songs!

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#51 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by arasi »

Lakshman,
Have heard rATTinamE, but not sundaramAna. Please share. Thanks :)

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#52 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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arasi: The two songs are uploaded here:
https://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/WR8 ... lIEIJmtnvA

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#53 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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I don't know if any of you have heard these songs by Turaiyur Rajagopala Sharma. Here is the download link.

https://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/fgk ... PNZVepYI7e

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#54 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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Sriranjani Santhanagopalan, K. Gayathri both gave good recitals for Sivarathri Akhandam @ Arkay and quite a good number of tamizh compositions. Palghat Ramprasad gave another good one. Vidya Kalyanaraman was bit out of form, but later I think during tamizh new year recital she was in good form going by the few initial renditions - me yet to cover the full concert.

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#55 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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Tis thread is about CM songs ( mostly non-film) in tamilzh and Dr.Pasupathy has shared a fine write up by KALKI on a concert by Madurai Mani Iyer in chennai in Thamizh isai changam. The concert was very special in that all the songs were in thamizh from start to finish.
Many of them were by PAPANASAM sIVAN.
It is in tamizh.
https://s-pasupathy.blogspot.com/2015/06/53.html
KALKI was as we all know, a firm believer in singing classical music in tamizh . in this review, he points out why it is better.
https://s-pasupathy.blogspot.com/2015/06/53.html

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#56 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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SrinathK wrote: 15 Feb 2019, 21:04 Tamizh rasikas will be much happier with tamizh songs and even though a lot of things CM comes from Ancient Tamil music
tamizh songs alright , tamizh music or tamizh isai alright, it would be better to find out who are these "Tamizh rasikas" in the first place? How many sub categories of them are there? What is each of their heritage actually and how have they received it today and how are they carrying it today, understanding it today and seeing it today. etc.?

People who categorize based on power structures , behavioral sciences , and anthropology especially owe us an answer. Like Telugu was the language of composition, because it was a court language! Was Marathi ever a court language - briefly? But was almost forgotten except in one tukkaDA in a bhajan sequence. Guess what - what is more popular now?

Kalki is the smart one saying the obvious yeah? He forgot about what the songs convey though! Especially after he waxed eloquent on mother tongue and intelligibility!

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#57 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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in continuation of #55
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the songs mentioned in Kalki's article are likely to be
1) paraathparaa- vachaspathi- pApanaSAM SIVAN
2) sabaapathikku veru deivam -aabogi- gopalakrishna barathy
3) paamaalaikkinaiyundo- jarikambodhi- paapanaasam sivan
4) kanthan karunai puriyum vadivel- beemplaas- guhan
5) chenthamizh naasdenum pothinile- barathy
6) thookkiya thiruvadi thuNai ena nAMBINEN- SANKARABARANAM-PAAPANAASAM SIVAN

veterans are requested to identify the song inmohanam, and other ragams mentioned, please.

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#58 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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RSR wrote: 13 Jun 2019, 17:06 (...) a concert by Madurai Mani Iyer in chennai in Thamizh isai changam. The concert was very special in that all the songs were in thamizh from start to finish.
I’ve been wondering why Sanjay’s all-tamil concert has not been mentioned in this thread. And I’m intrigued that no one has written in with news of his latest announcement:

Happy to announce our sequel to the blockbuster Thamizh classical concert on this World Music Day. Catch me live on December 7 & 8, 2019 at the Music Academy, Chennai

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அனைத்து ரசிகர்களுக்கும் உலக இசை தின வாழ்த்துகள். தமிழிசை உலகெங்கும் ஒலிக்க வேண்டும் என்பதே இந்த தினத்தில் எனது இச்சை. உங்களின் பேராதரவோடு இரண்டாம் ஆண்டில் ‘தமிழும் நானும்’. #TN2

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#59 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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Madam, SRINATH had mentioned about Sanjay , in his opening post itself of this thread.
As you might have observed, Sanjay has made this his USP over the years

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#60 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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For relevance.. would like to link this presentation that I posted in ragams forum under dEvagAndhari

https://youtu.be/PLKxGCBZURI?t=2008

Seems a new treasure un-earthed although it may not be new to insiders.

This particular one provides immense opportunities to bring out the rAgA and emphasize it with the music of the language as it connects back at the end of the tAlA cycle with an atItam, like many a SrI tyAgarAja kritis.

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#61 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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RSR wrote: 23 Jun 2019, 11:21 Madam, SRINATH had mentioned about Sanjay , in his opening post itself of this thread.
As you might have observed, Sanjay has made this his USP over the years
Yes, I saw that. I was specifically mentioning his all-Tamil concert, and I was surprised that since this “sequel” is relatively fresh news, it hasn’t received any mention on Rasikas (afaik), especially à propos of this topic. I was not finding fault.

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#62 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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SAREGAMA has donated to youtube.
'kaatrinile' collection of 12 songs penned by Kalki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99rdkhlqHhU
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Listen to soulful voice of M.S. Subbulakshmi, the legendary vocalist of Carnatic Music, featuring all the best classic songs from her collection.
Song List:
00:00 - Kaatriniley
02:59 - Brindhavanatthil
06:16 - Kannan Leelaigal
09:17 - Maravene
11:40 - Vandaadum Cholai
17:52 - Chara Charam
22:09 - Maalai Pozhuthinile
27:51 - Kandathundo Kannan
31:10 - Maanilathai Vaazha
34:30 - Ithanai Naalaana
37:11 - Thavamum Palithathamma
40:29 - Deiva Thamizh Naattinele
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sites.google.com/site/
homage2mssubbulakshmi
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/home/0-saregama-donated-12-gems-tube
1) காற்றினிலே வரும் கீதம்- misra jonpuri
2) பிருந்தாவனத்தில் கண்ணன் வளர்ந்த-sindhubaitravi
3) லீலைகள் செய்வானே
4) மறவேனே எந்நாளிலுமே-paraj
5) வண்டாடும் சோலை தனிலே-harikambodhi
6) சராசரம் -- begins with hamsaanandhi
7) மாலைப் பொழுதினிலே-ragamaalikaa
8) கண்டதுண்டோ கண்ணன் போல்
9) மாநிலத்தை வாழவைக்க
10) இத்தனை நாளான பின்னும்-sindhubairavi
11) தவமும் பாலித்ததம்மா-raagamaalikai
12) தெய்வத் தமிழ் நாட்டினிலே
SAREGAMA DONATED

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#63 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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SAREGAMA LP RECORD ( 16 SONGS BY Smt.MS) aptly titled 'thamizhe isaiyaay'. Perhaps, they have already placed the LP songs in public domain
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(1) ulagam yaavaiyum (2)vadavaraiyai matthaakki (3)petra thaay thanai maka maranthaalum (4) kurRai ondrum illai (5)mudi ondril moovulakankalum (6) kallaarkum katravarkkum (7)kaatrinile (8)kuthakaiyai -viruttham (9)varuka varukave (10)kaalamaam vaanatthil (11) aaraa amuthe (12) muzhuthaay uNarnthavar (13) manju nikar ( kaavadich chindhu) (14) thaazh sadaiyum ( paasuram) (15) oorukku nallathu solven (16) vaazhiya centhamizh
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சரிகம நிறுவனத்தின் 'தமிழே இசையாய் ' என்ற தலைப்பில், உள்ள எம்.எஸ். சுப்புலக்ஷ்மி பாடல்கள்.
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1) உலகம் யாவையும்
2) வடவரையை மத்தாக்கி
3) பெற்ற தாய்தனை
4) குறை ஒன்றும் இல்லை
5) முடி ஒன்றில்
6) கல்லார்க்கும் கற்றவர்க்கும்
7) காற்றினிலே
8) குதகையை ( விருத்தம்)
9) வருக வருகவே
10) காலமாம் வானத்தில்
11) ஆரா அமுதே
12) முழுதாய் உணர்ந்தவர்
13) மஞ்சு நிகர் ( காவடிச்சிந்து)
14) தாழ் சடையும் ( பாசுரம்)
15) ஊருக்கு நல்லது சொல்வேன்
16) வாழிய செந்தமிழ்
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#64 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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Part of the concert mentioned in #56 by Sri MMI reviewed by Kalki @ https://s-pasupathy.blogspot.com/2015/06/53.html
with song list in #58 above, I think is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4qKXmrmtYQ

It starts where the list ends - with the last song.

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happy to share an article in this thread,

an article by GOWRI RAMNARAYAN

M.S. Subbulakshmi supported Tamil Isai right from the start.

MOODS: M.S. Subbulakshmi captured the electrifying power of Tamil Isai.

``We want more Tamil songs in Carnatic music kutcheris," the protesters announced. Their opponents retorted that Telugu and Sanskrit alone were concert worthy. The Tamil Isai movement in the 1930s and 1940s is a fascinating part of Carnatic music history. Two groups fired salvos in print and on podia. Their metaphors were of Stalin and Hitler from the World War. Both factions agreed that bhava was the soul of music. The pro-Tamil group believed that this could be realised only when the sahitya was in its mother tongue. Tamil kritis were best for Tamil audiences. Faction two insisted that the highest bhava was inherent in the sahitya of the Trinity. Tamil was good just for tailpieces.

M.S. Subbulakshmi supported Tamil Isai right from the start. This strengthened the movement and prevented it from collapsing prematurely. After all, talking about Tamil Isai could make no impact without someone to exemplify its depth, beauty, and emotional power. Who could do it better than M.S.?

But where were the kritis to match those of Tyagaraja or Syama Shastri? Young Subbulakshmi too did not have a repertoire to satisfy the Tamil demands.

Husband Sadasivam decided that Suddhanana Bharati, his associate from the freedom fighting camp, was a good source. His "Arul Purivai" (Hamsadhwani) was as good a launch pad as "Vinayaka Ninnu." His "Jhankara Sruti" (Poorvikalyani) about the cosmic sound could be developed into a major piece. Gopalakrishna Bharati's "Sabhapatikku" had a reformist slant according with his Gandhian ideals.

Papanasam Sivan was close to the family from the time he scored music for Subbulakshmi's first film ``Seva Sadanam," from which "Ma Ramanan" (Hindolam) has survived to this day.

M.S. had great admiration for his simplicity and musicianship. How fortunate one should be to learn compositions from the composer himself, she would say.

Veteran Musiri Subramania Iyer taught her his signature song "Tiruvadi Charanam." Without changing the pathantara, M.S made it her own. The Bharatanatyam performances of Anandhi and Radha, daughters of Kalki and Sadasivam, catalysed the search for more Tamil compositions. The girls had full houses for every show. Why not? M.S. sang for them. That is how "Yaro Ivar Yaro" and "En Palli Kondeerayya" became part of the M.S. repertoire.

Kalki's 1944 vignette describes the ambience at Subbulakshmi's Tamil Isai concert in the December season:

"Kalaitookki" (Yadukulakambodi) in madhyama sruti overwhelmed everyone in the tides of rapture... After the ragam, tanam, pallavi in Karaharapriya came songs on Kannan, Murugan and the charkha. Finally, as she sang Bharatiyar's `Yaamarinda Mozhigalile' (of all the languages we know) in a moving ragamalika, and began `Sentamizh Nadennum' in the high sthayi, the exhilaration of the audience, keeping the beat with their hands, made an unforgettable sight."

Sadasivam worshipped Subramania Bharati. M.S. was fond of recalling how her husband "made me get up and walk out midway through a recital for the then Corporation Radio because the British Raj banned a Bharati song."

Bharati came into Bharatanatyam for the first time when Anandhi and Radha performed "Aduvome Pallu Paduvome." This always received standing ovation, not at the end, but right from the start.

In those days, Subbulakshmi's Tamil songs aroused anticipation also because her face broke into little bits of abhinaya, as in "Adu Raatte" or "Toondirpuzhuvinaipol." Her full-fledged abhinaya for Kalki's "Malai Pozhudinile" became a photo spread in print, a novelty in those times.

The film ``Meera" not only made her a national icon, Kalki's "Katrinile Varum Geetham" became part of M.S. mystique ever after. And can anyone think of M.S. Subbulakshmi without "Kurai Onrum Illai?"

And yet the electrifying power of Tamil Isai in Subbulakshmi's peerless voice was best felt on Saraswati Puja when M.S., haloed by fresh-washed curls, her big pottu aglow, participated in the worship of the huge, unwieldy machines in the press which printed the nationalist weekly Kalki, edited by Kalki Krishnamurti and Sadasivam.

As the smells of printing ink and glue mingled with incense and camphor, M.S. would lose herself in Bharati's "Nenjukku Neediyum," begging the goddess of learning to release the floods of creativity.

As the last high notes rang in the dark hall, a blaze of light suffused the hearts of workers, visitors and family members. The song and the singer became one, indivisible, radiant.

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#66 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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Kothamangalam Seenu was a Carnatic Musician , who gave gramaphone records in classical music and acted in quite a few films too , as a Singing star, in the 1940-1950 decade. ( It may be that he is father of Tambura Artist, who passed away, recently).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kothamangalam_Seenu
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enna pizhappu ithu ....a creation of Marimuttha Pillai - as sung by Kothamangalam Seenu is given at
https://youtu.be/3IKpWbffZio
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Lyrics in tamizh script also provided by
Varagooran Narayanan
as comment in that page.

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#67 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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Arivar Yaar Unnai Bhairavi Arunachala Kavirayar sung by Kothamangalam Seenu

https://youtu.be/4bG70TRGKA4
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This is a wonderful tube link! Excellent slides about Arunachalak kavi and the genesis of Rama nataka songs
Lyrics in tamizh script also provided by Varagooran Narayanan
as comment in that page
---- To quote from the blurb
"Arunachala Kavi (அருணாசல கவி) (1711 - 1779) was a Tamil poet and a composer of Carnatic music. He was born in Tillaiyadi in Thanjavur District in Tamil Nadu. The three Tamil composers Arunachala Kavi, Muthu Thandavar and Marimutthu Pillai are considered the Tamil Trinity, who contributed to the evolution of Carnatic music. Arunachala Kavi was fluent in Tamil, Telugu and Sanskrit. He wrote Rama Natakam, a musical drama based on the Ramayana. The music for this musical was composed by two of Arunachala Kavi's disciples, Kothandarama Iyer and Venkatarama Iyer. The songs contain many Tamil proverbs and sayings. This musical drama was first performed at the Srirangam temple and within a short time it became very popular. Kavirayar was honoured by Maharaja Tulaja, the King of Tanjavur, and by several other patrons of that time. He also composed Seergazhi Sthala Puranam (sirkali), Seergazhi Kovai, Hanumar Pillai Tamil, Ajomukhi Natakam and a few Keertanas. Some of his famous compositions still popular today are Yaro ivar yaro (Bhairavi), Kanden Kanden Sitayai (Vasanta), Ramanai Kannara Kandane (Mohanam).

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#68 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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https://youtu.be/u0f3Nd53YfQ
arivaar yaar unnai - D.K.Pattammal- in Mukari ragam

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This should have been posted yesterday itself.
(2nd Oct ) Gandhi Jayanthi
M.K.Thyagaraja Bagavathar on Mahathma Gandhi .
This song is not from any film.

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https://youtu.be/1fUICtNysn0
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According to https://karnatik.com/c6264.shtml
the lyrics and tuning are by Papanasam Sivan .Ragam Chenchurutti.
English transliteration given there.
A small correction pl. 'kaaNpathum eLithaamo? 'காண்பதும் எளிதாமோ
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காந்தியைப் போலொரு
சாந்த சொரூபனைக்
காண்பதும் எளிதாமோ - மஹாத்மா (காந்தியை)

மாந்தரிலே
ஞான யோகம் மேவும் - தவ
வேந்தரிலே சுயநலம் சிறிதும் இல்லா
மாந்தரிலே
சுயநலம் சிறிதும் இல்லா

அஹிம்சை தனிலே புத்தரவர்
ஆத்ம சோதனையில் யேசு நாதரவர்
அறுபகையும் வென்ற கர்ம சீலரவர் - நமது
ராஜ்ஜியத்தாய் இந்திய நாட்டிலவதரித்த

குழந்தை உள்ளமும் - அன்பு
கனிந்த மொழியும் கொண்டு
கொடுமைகளை எதிர்த்து வெல்லும் சித்தன்
முழங்கால் துணியும் மோகனப் புன்னகையும்
தவழப் பகைவரும் கண்டஞ்சும் சுத்தன் - இனிமேல் (காந்தியை)
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pallavi

gAndhiyai pOloru shAnta svarUpanai kANbadum eLithaamo
mahAtmA

anupallavi

mAndarilE jnAna yOgam mEvum
tava vEndarilE svaya nalam shiridumillA

caraNam

ahimsai tanilE buddhanavan
Atma shOdanaiyil EshunAthan avan
aru paghaiyai venra karma dhIranavan
namadu bhAgyattAl indiya nATTil avataritta


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#70 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR »

Here is another famous song ( non-film) on Gandhiji by MKT Bgavathar.
Raju Asokan upload.
'kaimmaru seyvathuNdo?'
https://youtu.be/9qfYNMaSfK4

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#71 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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Shyama Sastry, the great CM composer, has given us 4 or 5 kritis in Tamizh. One of them is 'tharuNam ithammaa'. in gowLipamnthu ragam. This is from sangeethapriya /tribute/shyamkrishna section. (mentioned by uploader as that of GNB. ..Could be wrong)

https://youtu.be/JZTGJlOrAn8
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We can get the tamizh lyrics ( with transliteration) at
http://syamakrishnavaibhavam.blogspot.c ... -raga.html ( thanks to Sri.V.Govindan)
Last edited by RSR on 04 Oct 2019, 10:18, edited 2 times in total.

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#72 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by CRama »

RSR, This tarunam idamma - does not appear to be GNB for me. May be S. Kalyanraman or somebody. PL check.

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#73 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR »

CRama wrote: 04 Oct 2019, 08:30 RSR, This tarunam idamma - does not appear to be GNB for me. May be S. Kalyanraman or somebody. PL check.
Respected Sir,
I have just now edited the information. Thank you.

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#74 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by rajeshnat »

crama
surely the singer is not s kalyanaraman. appears only gnb to me . there is tr balasubramaniam who died at an young age maybe if not gnb then that could be trb.

lalitharam
resolve it.

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#75 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR »

MKThyagaraja Bagavathar , as we may know, had a regular training in Carnatic music by Alathur brothers. and his ambition was to give a standard concert in CM. Some of his 78 rpm records , not from films, are really nice and were heard much in radio , in those days. (pre-1950) Raju Asokan's upload of one such MKT song ( Barathy's poem) 'ParukkuLLe Nalla Naadu' ( usually sung in jonpuri) may be of interest.
https://youtu.be/oX8ajo_PZvE

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#76 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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Sathur A.G.Subramanyam was a very good CM musician. Here is his rendering of 'Innamum sadhehappadalaamo? ' in KerrvaNi ragam. Gopalakrishna Barathy kriti. Upload by Sri.RAJU ASOKAN
சாத்தூர் சுப்பிரமனியம்அய்யர்-இன்னமும் சந்தேகபடலாமோ~ ராகம்~கீர்வானி~
https://youtu.be/KjwFDX8R1MY
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Maha Vaidyanatha Sivan and his elder brother Ramaswami Sivan were very great and famous composers and singers, Patnam Subramanya Iyer was a contemporary of Maha Vaidyanatha Sivan. The brothers were also contemporary of the great Tamil Scholar U.V.Swaminatha Iyer.
Vaidyanatha Sivan composed mainly in Telugu and Sanskrit while Ramaswami Sivan, his brother, composed many songs in Tamil.
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We will see some songs of Ramaswami Sivan rendered by DKPttammaL in subsequent posts. As Patnam Subramanya Iyer and Maha Vaidyanatha Sivan and Ramaswami Sivan were contemporaries, and in direct line of disciples of Thyagaraja Swami (second line), we can get good Tamil kritis of Ramaswami Sivan rendered by the greats of previous era.

MS Subbulakshmi-The Poorvikalyani song is Ekkalathilum unai maravadirukka kripai seivay. The composer of the Poorvikalyani kriti is Tiruvarur Ramaswami Pillai.-Purvikalyani-Rupaka-
( this song is in poorvi kalyaNi, BUT the lyrics MAY NOT be of Ramaswami Sivan. ( misattribution?)
Thanks to CRama for the correction.

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https://youtu.be/oC7LKNYhw_0
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A rare upload by Kartheek Sharma
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The song in the link is in poorvikalyani. But the lyrics given are of another song- that is in Natakurinji. Both are different songs. The Poorvikalyani song is Ekkalathilum unai maravadirukka kripai seivay. The composer of the Poorvikalyani kriti is Tiruvarur Ramaswami Pillai. The composer of the Natakurinji kriti is Ramaswami Sivan.

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@78
Edited accordingly.

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RSR, Reg 78, the song is in Poorvikalyani. But the lyrics given below are of the Natakuirnji song. Please delete that.

Also correct the lyrics of the song in the link as Ekkalathilum maravadirukka kripai seyvai (Poorvikalyani).

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@80
Sir, Done as per your guidance.
@CRama
It would help if you can give as many links to Ramaswami Sivan as available with you, (Tamil Songs) with ragam information and youtube or other links.
Best Regards.

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M S Subbulakshmi - Devi Neeye Thunai - Keeravani Ragam - Papanasam Sivan---upload by TheCarnaticEcstasy
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https://youtu.be/hkNujASrFpM
lyrics typed by Venkateswaran Ramakrishnan
தேவி நீயே துணை---ராகம் ; கீரவாணி தாளம்: ஆதி
ப: தேவி நீயே துணை--தென் மதுரை வாழ் மீனலோசனீ (தேவி)
அப: தேவாதி தேவன் சுந்தரேசன் சித்தம் கவர் புவன சுந்தரி அம்ப (தேவி)
ச: மலயத்வஜன் மாதவமே காஞ்சன மாலை புதல்வி மஹாராணி அலைமகள் கலைமகள் பணி கீர்வாணி அமுதனைய இனிய முத்தமிழ் வளர்த்த (தேவி)
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Devi neeye thunai Then Madhurai vaazh meena lochani
Oh goddess you are my only support, Oh Goddess with fish like eye living in Madhurai of the south.
Anupallavi Devadhi devan Sundaresan, Chitham kavar Bhuvana Sundari Amba
Oh mother who is prettiest of the universe, who has stolen the heart of Lord Sundaresa.
Charanam,
Malaya Dwajan ma thavame, Kanchana malai pudhalvi,Maha Raajni, Alai magal. Kalai magal pani keervani, Amudhanaya iniya muthamizh valartha
Oh result of great penance of Malaya Dwaja Pandya, Daughter of Kanchana mala , Oh great queen, Oh Goddess who is respected by Goddesses Saraswathi and Lakshmi Oh Goddess who supported the growth of nectar like three branches of Tamizh*
(by Subramanian R)

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MS Subbulakshmi-Varana mukhava-hamsadhvani-roopakam-Koteeswara aiyer

https://youtu.be/_3lSnTfsmds
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from
http://inikkumtamizhisai.blogspot.com/2 ... sic-1.html

வாரண முகவா துணை வருவாய்
அருள்வாய் தயவாய் (வாரண)

அனுபல்லவி:
ஆரணப் பொருளான கந்த கானாமுதத்திற்குன்
கருணாமுதம் உதவியே அருள் மத (வாரண)

சரணம்:
இன்னிசை இயல் இலக்கியம் ஆரியம் தமிழ் அறிவேதுமின்றிக்
கன்னல் அன்ன இக்கந்த கானாமுத நன்னூலை
உன்னும் கவி குஞ்சர தாசன் நான்
உன்னருள் கொண்டே பண்ணத் துணிந்தேன்
முன்னவனே நீ முன்னின்றால் முடியாததொன்றில்லை
ஆதலால் அதிவேகமதாகவே அருள் மத (வாரண)

In Roman script,

Pallavi: vAraNa mukhavA tuNai varuvAi
aruLvAi dayavAi (vA)

Anupallavi: AraNap poruLAna kanda gAnAmudattirkkun
karuNAmudam udaviyE aruL mata (vA)

CaraNam: innisai iyal ilakkiyam Ariyam tamizh aRivEduminRik
kannal anna ikkanda gAnAmuda nannUlai
unnum kavi kunjara dAsan nAn
unnaruL koNDE paNNat tuNindEn
munnavanE nI munninRAl muDiyAdadonRillai
AdalAl ativEgamadAgavE aruL mata (vA)


Meaning:
Oh, elephant-faced one, please come to my assistance and please
confer your grace on me.

I am writing this musical offering to Lord Murugan who is the essence of the vEdAs. For that effort please provide your grace to me.

I, kavi kunjara dAsan, am contemplating writing this book “kanda gAnAmudam” (which should be as sweet as sugarcane) without the
knowledge of sweet music, prose, poetry, literature, Sanskrit, and Thamizh. I am undertaking this venture only with your benediction. Oh,
the foremost among Gods, if you take the lead there is nothing which is impossible. So please hasten to help me, Oh elephant-faced one!

Listen to M S Subbulakshmi here

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சக்ரவர்த்தி ராஜகோபாலாச்சாரியால் எழுதப்பட்ட ஒரே ஒரு பாடல் இதுவாகும். தமிழறிஞர் மீ.ப. சோமசுந்தரம் ( மீ.ப.சோமு) அவர்களின் உதவியுடன் இயற்றப்பட்ட இந்தப் பாடல் 1967-இல் ‘கல்கி’ பத்திரிகையில் வெளிவந்தது. இந்தப் பாடலுக்கு இசை வடிவம் தந்தவர் கடையநல்லூர் வெங்கட்ராமன் ஆவார்.
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பல்லவி (ராகம்: சிவரஞ்சனி)
குறை ஒன்றும் இல்லை மறைமூர்த்தி கண்ணா
குறை ஒன்றும் இல்லை கண்ணா
குறை ஒன்றும் இல்லை கோவிந்தா
குறை ஒன்றும் இல்லை மறைமூர்த்தி கண்ணா
குறை ஒன்றும் இல்லை கண்ணா
குறை ஒன்றும் இல்லை கோவிந்தா
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அனுபல்லவி (ராகம்: சிவரஞ்சனி )
கண்ணுக்குத் தெரியாமல் நிற்கின்றாய் கண்ணா
கண்ணுக்குத் தெரியாமல் நின்றாலும் எனக்குக்
குறை ஒன்றும் இல்லை மறைமூர்த்தி கண்ணா
சரணம்1 (ராகம் சிவரஞ்சனி)
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வேண்டியதைத் தந்திட வேங்கடேசன் என்றிருக்க
வேண்டியது வேறில்லை மறைமூர்த்தி கண்ணாமணிவண்ணா மலையப்பா கோவிந்தா கோவிந்தா கோவிந்தா கோவிந்தா
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சரணம்2 (ராகம்: காபி)
திரையின்பின் நிற்கின்றாய் கண்ணா
கண்ணா திரையின்பின் நிற்கின்றாய் கண்ணா - உன்னை
மறையோதும் ஞானியர் மட்டுமே காண்பார்
என்றாலும் குறை ஒன்றும் எனக்கில்லை கண்ணா
குன்றின்மேல் கல்லாகி நிற்கின்ற வரதா
குன்றின்மேல் கல்லாகி நிற்கின்ற வரதா
குறை ஒன்றும் இல்லை மறைமூர்த்தி கண்ணா
குறை ஒன்றும் இல்லை மறைமூர்த்தி கண்ணா
மணிவண்ணா மலையப்பா கோவிந்தா கோவிந்தா கோவிந்தா கோவிந்தா
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சரணம்3 (ராகம்: சிந்துபைரவி)
கலிநாளுக்கிரங்கி கல்லிலே இறங்கி
நிலையாகக் கோவிலில் நிற்கின்றாய் கேசவா
கலிநாளுக்கிரங்கி கல்லிலே இறங்கி
நிலையாகக் கோவிலில் நிற்கின்றாய் கேசவா
குறை ஒன்றும் இல்லை மறைமூர்த்தி கண்ணா
யாதும் மறுக்காத மலையப்பா
யாதும் மறுக்காத மலையப்பா உன் மார்பில்
ஏதும் தர நிற்கும் கருணைக் கடல் அன்னை
என்றும் இருந்திட ஏது குறை எனக்கு
என்றும் இருந்திட ஏது குறை எனக்கு
ஒன்றும் குறையில்லை மறை மூர்த்தி கண்ணா
ஒன்றும் குறையில்லை மறை மூர்த்தி கண்ணா
மணிவண்ணா மலையப்பா கோவிந்தா கோவிந்தா கோவிந்தா கோவிந்தா
கோவிந்தா கோவிந்தா கோவிந்தா கோவிந்தா
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https://youtu.be/B-4rwaN6m4I

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https://youtu.be/Oo2zeJlHbjw
(sankar rajasekaran -upload)
பெற்ற தாய் தனை மக மறந்தாலும்
பிள்ளையைப் பெரும் தாய் மறந்தாலும்
உற்ற தேகத்தை உயிர் மறந்தாலும்
உயிரை மேவிய உடல் மறந்தாலும்
கற்ற நெஞ்சகம் கலை மறந்தாலும்
கண்கள் நின்றிமைப்பது மறந்தாலும்
நற்றவத்தவர் உள்ளிருந்தோங்கும்
நமசிவாயத்தை நான் மறவேனே
....வள்ளலார் :

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முத்துத்தாண்டவர்:

Ragam Naadhanaamakriyaa

ஆரார் ஆசைப்படார் நின் பாதத்திற்கு
அருள் பாராய்
பதம் தாராய்
துயர் தீராய்
புலியூராய்
நின் பாதத்திற்கு (ஆரார்)

கனக மேனியன்
பன்னகசயணன் கஞ்ஜனுடன்
பதஞ்சலி புலி போற்ற
அனவரதமும் கனக சபையுள்
ஆடிச் சிவந்து என்னைத் தேடிய
பாதத்திற்கு (ஆரார்)
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Just now came across this wonderful upload of Thiruuppaavai songs ( all the 30) in a single youtube link.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... w0DPvsceZh

( more than one lakh views)
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Each song has been given in sequence. The slides have the lyrics in Tamizh.
Ragam information for each of these songs ( provided by SrinathK can be had at
https://sites.google.com/site/4mlvasant ... nformation
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This is MLV recording of Thiruppavai which was released in LP record.

TNS has rendered concerts of Tiruppavai songs exclusively. I attended one such concert accompanied by Doyen UKS.

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Today being Madurai MaNi Iyer day, here is a song by him on Gandhiji.
Madurai Mani Iyer - Thiruvalangadu Sunderesa Iyer - Tk Murthy
Here is the full version - 36.15 minutes
https://youtu.be/rN8RmU2YlnE
Thanks to P.Bala in musicians section.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=258&start=1075
1094 and 1096
Mahaathmaavin maNi mozhi vazhi Nadappom
Shanmugapriya and other ragams
Lyrics by 'Chitti'

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viewtopic.php?t=10383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpydhTP ... ex=45&t=0s
Lyrics and music composer -> PapanAsam Sivan
mukaari ragam
rendered by Smt.D..K.PattammAL. ( vintage 78 rpm record)
uplolad by uksharma3
சிவகாம சுந்தரி
ஜெகதம்பா
வந்தருள் தந்தருள் ( சிவகாம சுந்தரி )

பவ ரோகம் அற வேறு மருந்தேது
பழ வினைகள் தொடராமல் உனை பஜிக்க(சிவகாம சுந்தரி )

கேளாயோ என் முறையை
உயர் சாம கீத வினோதினி போதும் சோதனை (சிவகாம சுந்தரி )

தாளேனே அகதி நானே
ராமதாசன் பணியும் அபிராமி வாமி

I hope that this is correct.
No?

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A classic by Subramanya Barathy- rendered superlatively by Smt.MS had been part of a commercial release by Saregama and hence could not be shared in public.
The glad news is that SAREGAMA have donated the entire LP to Youtube and thus it is in public domain now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvBuNzeXAVU

The lyrics are given in Tamil at
https://sites.google.com/site/homage2ms ... -neethiyum
Preserve and share, please.

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https://soundcloud.com/archive-of-india ... -iyengar-2
https://soundcloud.com/archive-of-india ... -iyengar-1
Karthikeya Gangeya , Kadai Kann
"Ariyakkudi’s magic formula had something for everyone. It began with a brisk varnam that served as a nice vocal warm up, followed by an invocation to Lord Ganesha. Songs of various composers across centuries, eulogizing different gods and goddesses, and in varied languages were sung with or without improvisatory solfa syllables, or kalpana swarams. The musician then landed into the hallowed ‘main piece’ that had an elaborate alapana, or sketch, of the raga, followed by the violinist’s impression of the same, the composition, improvisatory techniques such as the neraval and kalpana swarams, and ended with a rhythmic duel of the percussionists known as the Tani-avartanam. This was then followed by smaller songs called tukkadas that included bhajans, familiar songs and finally ended with a brisk thillana. The Academy ratified this new structure after much debate and discussion.
We see the same sense of proportion in his 78 RPM recordings as well, where Ariyakkudi divides the time between the composition and the improvisatory aspects – choosing either an alapana or fast kalpana swarams. This is illustrated in his following renditions: the famous Tamil composition by Papanasam Sivan in Raga Thodi — ‘Kartikeya Gangeya Gowri Thanaya’; in ‘Kadai Kann’ in the same raga (where he chooses kalpana swarams over alapanas)
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(source: vikram sampath blog)
https://theprint.in/opinion/treasured-t ... ic/253379/

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https://youtu.be/nIR2GWwuQLg
Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer- rendering of Nilakanta Sivan song
Karaharapriya
Navasiddhi petraalum
( lifted from sujamusic blog), ( duration -less than 6 minutes)
Can the veteran rasikas testify if this is from 78 rpm era?
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நவசித்தி பெற்றாலும் சிவ பக்தி இல்லாத நரர்கள் வெறும் சாவி (சம்போ)
எவர் புத்தியும் தள்ளி சுயபுத்தியும் இல்லாது இருப்பவர் பெரும் பாவி

நாதன் அருள் மறந்து போதம் இல்லாக் கூத்து நடிப்பவர் வெறும் சாவி (ஜகன்/தில்லை)
சீதமதி அணியும் சிவனை நினையாமல் இருப்பவர் பெரும் பாவி

தாய் தந்தை மனம் நோக செய்கின்ற குரு துரோகத் தனைவர்கள்(*) வெறும் சாவி
நாய் போல எவரையும் சீறி சண்டைபோடவே (alt: சண்டையிடும்) நலம் கெட்டார் (இல்லார்) பெரும் பாவி

பாபமும் புண்ணியமும் கணியாமல் பணத்திற்கே பறப்பவர் வெறும் சாவி
கோபமும் லோபமும் கொண்டு நல்ல குணத்தை குலைப்பவர் (தொலைப்பவர் ) பெரும் பாவி

கேட்டும் கண்டும் அனுபவித்தும் உண்மை உணரா கர்விகள் வெறும் சாவி
வாட்டமில்லாத கதி கொடுக்கும் நீலகண்டனின் அன்பில்லார் (அருள் இல்லார்) பெரும் பாவி (என்றும்)

(*) It sounded to me like தலைவர்கள் but the alternate தனைவர்கள் seemed more fitting. I do not know if this is correct.

Transliteration

navasiddhi peTRAlum shiva bhakti illAda narargaL veRum sAvi (shambhO)
evar buddhiyum taLLi suya buddhiyum illAdu iRuppavar perum pAvi

nAdhan aRuL maRandu bOdam illA kUttu naDippavar veRum sAvi (jagan/tillai)
sItamadi aNiyum shivanai ninaiyAmal iruppavar perum pAvi

tAy tandai manam nOga seiginDRa guru drOgattanivargaL veRum sAvi
nAy pOla evaraiyum shIRi sanDaipODa nalam keTTar perum pAvi

pApamum puNNiyum gaNiyAmal paNattiRkE paRappavar veRum sAvi
kObamum lObhamum koNDu nalla guNattai kulaippavar perum pAvi

kETTum kanDum anubhavittum uNmai uNarA garvigaL veRum sAvi
vATTamillada gadi koDukkum nIlakanTanin anbillAr (alt: aruL illAr) perum pAvi (enDrum)

Translation

Even if they have achieved (peTRAlum) the nine (nava) extraordinary powers of the soul (siddhi), men (narargaL) without (illAda) devotion (bhakti) towards Lord Shiva are mere (veRum) chaff (sAvi) . Those who reject (taLLi) the wisdom (buddhi, literally intellect) of others (evar) and are (iruppavar) without (illAdu) wisdom (buddhi) of their own (suya) are great (perum) sinners (pAvi).

Those who, forgetting (maRandu) the grace (aRul) of the Lord (nAdan), foolishly frolic (kUttu naDippavar, literally play act) even without (illa) intoxication (bOdam) are mere (veRum) chaff (sAvi). Those who exist (iruppavar) without thinking (ninaiyAmal) of Lord Shiva who wears (aNiyum) the cool moon (sitamadi) are great (perum) sinners (pAvi).

Those sons (tanaivargaL) who cause distress (manam nOga) to their parents (tAy tandai-mother, father), committing the sin of harm to one’s teachers (guru drOgam), are mere (verum) chaff (sAvi). (Note-Parents are our first teachers) Those without (keTTAr) goodness (nalam), who like (pOla) dogs (nAy), hiss at (shIri) and fight (sanDaipODa) are great (perum) sinners (pAvi).

Those who, without counting (gaNiyamal) sins (pApamum) and merits (puNNiyamum), avidly pursue (paRappavar) only money (paNattiRkE) are mere (veRum) sAvi (chaff). Those who, due to (kONDu, literally having) anger (kObam) and greed (lObham) destroy (kulaippavar) their own (implied) good (nalla) character (guNam) are great (perum) sinners (pAvi).

Those egoists (garvigaL) who, despite having heard (kETTum), seen (kaNDum) and experienced (anubhavittum), do not realise (uNarA) the truth (uNmai) are mere (veRum) chaff (sAvi). Those without the grace (aRuL illAr) of the Lord Shiva (nIla kaNTan, literally the one with the blue throat) who gives the everlasting (vATTam illAda, literally unfading) state (gadi) (ie. Moksha).

NOTE : This is a note based on a comment by Mr.Lakshman Ragde, who is incomparable in his knowledge of Carnatic Music lyrics. He wrote

‘In the song navasiddhi peTrAlum, there are additional caraNAs. Here are the lyrics as found in the printed text book of N.Shivan’s compositions, edited by Saraswathi Ram’ .

navasiddhi peTrAlum. rAgA: kharaharapriyA. cApu tALA.

P: navasiddhi peTrAlum shiva bhakti illAda narargaL verum shAvi
evar budddhiyum taLLi suyabuddhiyum illAdu iruppavargaL perum pAvi
C1: nAthan aruL marandu bOdham illA kUttu naDippavar verum shAvi
NItmati aNiyum shivanai ninaiyAmal iruppavar perum pAvi
2: pApamum puNyamum keNiyAmal paNattirkkE parappavar verumshAvi
kOpamum lObhamum koNDu nalla guNattai kulaippavar perum pAvi
3: tAi tandai manam nOgha sheiginra guru drOhat-talaivargaL verum shAvi
nAi pOla evaraiyum shIri shaNDaiyiDum nalam keTTAr perum pAvi
4: kETTum kaNDum anubhavittum uNmai uNarA garvigaL verum shAvi
vATTamillA gati koDukkum nIlakaNTharin aruL illAr perum pAvi

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Nice upload by veteran Sri.APKoil N Sapthagireesan
https://youtu.be/OFu7xRUxxes
78 RPM record
Ragam-Simmendramadhyamam
'iha param' by Papanasam Sivan
sung by Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer.
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Vintage Smt Rajam Pushpavanam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSnU7PwdoxU
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Another vintage Smt Rajam Pushpavanam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXTEpDhCAh0&list=
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#96 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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@vsn69
Respected Sir, Welcome to this thread.
I request you to remove the tamil -reverse transliteration.
as it is not what the tamizh lyricist would have written.
No offense meant.
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காணக் கண் கோடி வேண்டும்
கபாலியின் பவனி
காணக் கண் கோடி வேண்டும்

மாணிக்கம் ,வைரம் முதல்
நவரத்ன ஆபரணமும்
மணமார் பற்பல மாலைகளும் முகமும்
மடியோடு தாராகணம் நிறையும் அண்டி

வானமோ ,கமல வனமோ என மனம் மயங்க
அகளங்க அங்கம் யாவும் இளங்க
அபங்க அருள் மழை பொழி பவனி
காணக் கண் கோடி வேண்டும்
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I will add the remaining stanza also soon.
( scholars like Dr.Pasupathy are requested to correct the version)

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https://www.kutcheribuzz.com/kb-special ... na-bharati

Gopalakrishna Bharati's compositions were only in thamizh at the time when the Trinity was composing kritis in various languages.

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#98 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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@v@vsn69
Respected Sir,
Here is a very nice write up on your grandfather Sri.Pushpavanam and photos too of your mother Smt.Rajam.
It is in Thamizh. as an image.
http://s-pasupathy.blogspot.com/2017/10/860-133.html

Best Regards.

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RSR wrote: 20 Jan 2020, 22:15 @[email protected]
Respected Sir,
Here is a very nice write up on your grandfather Sri.Pushpavanam and photos too of your mother Smt.Rajam.
It is in Thamizh. as an image.
http://s-pasupathy.blogspot.com/2017/10/860-133.html

Best Regards.
Yes Sir...thank you.
Kind Regards

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#100 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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'MyCarnatic'- upload
Nalla Sakunam-Shanmugapriya - GN Balasubramaniam - 78 RPM
https://youtu.be/Giyp1JG-kaY
‘நல்ல சகுனம் நோக்கிச் செல்லடி’ (சண்முகப்ரியா)

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