shubha ganesan at Karthik Fine arts 26th DEC 2008

somayajulu · Post by **somayajulu** » 29 Dec 2008, 11:39

Attended the kutcheri of shubha at karthik , i have not heard her before. She has a good manodharma and maturity in her music.
Started with sugunamule and rendered items like Srimathrubhutham, vaghiswari and Galikiyunte in kiravani.
She iwas accompanied by ananthakrishnan and ganapathiraman

The saraswathi raga alapana was very imaginative she brought out the beauty of Saraswathi with good ideas.The alapana of of keeravani was lovey indeed, though she could render kalpanaswarams with ease it was superfluous in most of the places

Ananthakrishnan failed to bring the important phrases of keeravani ,he palyed a fairly good saraswathi.
Ganapathiramans percussion support was very nice and comfortable to listen to.

Though the artist has good manodharma and ideas she has to develope a good voice culture which is very much lacking in her music, subha should make her music even more melodious, Her voice got settled down only after an hour.

Amruthavarshini · Post by **Amruthavarshini** » 29 Dec 2008, 12:20

Earlier in some other thread about Subha Ganesan's concert too, the violinist K. Vijayaraghavan was condemned. Both Vijayaraghavan and Anathakrishnan are very good artists, certainly much much better than SG. It is wrong to underplay someone to praise SG. I heard both concerts. I have a feel that Subha Ganesan's music is blown out of proportion in this thread. She is defintely a good singer and has a very long way to go. By the way, she never reminds me of the legendary MLV. Sadly none of MLV's disciples other than Prabhavathi sing like her.

saptaratna · Post by **saptaratna** » 29 Dec 2008, 13:18

Her music falls into the category of having a major gap between "imagination and expression". She has a weak voice and very little singing appeal.

Maybe her " new guru " should hopefully help her turn tracks.

somayajulu · Post by **somayajulu** » 29 Dec 2008, 14:01

Amruthavarshini Iam new to this forum , i have never heard shubha Ganesan before , i dont know who is her present guru and from whom she has learnt before, i have never mentioned such things in my review, i didnt even mention that ananthkrishnan is an inferior artist, i mentioned the way he played keervani wasnt appealing thats all, why do you want to unncessarily add things. I accept she has a long way to go and just reviewed a concert which i heard thats all. Her way of singing appealed to me and just pointed out that she could develope good voice culture.
I have not glorified the artist and have not exxaggirated her way of singing at any point, if you know more details about her let me also know, If there is a good Guru to guide her she will definitely be able to shine well i think. We are not here to discuss who is superior and who is inferior, as a rasika i gave my views thats all, iam just a listener who has been listening for more than 40yrs , iam not an authority in music,. At no point i have mentioned that the violinist is inferior ,pl try to read my posting properly before posting a reply

Amruthavarshini · Post by **Amruthavarshini** » 29 Dec 2008, 14:41

"Ananthakrishnan failed to bring the important phrases of keeravani ,he palyed a fairly good saraswathi."

Similarly in another thread about the same artist too, the violinist was underrated. I highlighted this only. I did it because, I heard both the concerts.

I think somayajulu should not get too tensed up:-)

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 29 Dec 2008, 15:06

Amruthavarshini, in your first post, you insinuated that the original poster was "condemning" the violinist and made a further contentious insinuation that he was putting down the accompanists in order to praise the vocalist. This is what elicited the strong response from somyajulu, since his review was definitely not so exuberant as to merit a comment such as "Subha Ganesan's music is blown out of proportion in this thread." Neither did he "condemn" the violinist nor put anybody down wholesale. Those were careless accusations to make, and if you had been referring to the other review of the same vocalist, your comment would have been more appropriate if posted in that thread.

somayajulu · Post by **somayajulu** » 29 Dec 2008, 15:14

when i mentioned about the method the violinist played kirvani does it mean that he is inferior to the vocalist. I dont know in which thread the violinist was underrated since this is my first posting. I am not at all getting tensed up and i think it is you who degraded the artist too much and has mentioned punchantly that the violinists are very much better than her.
we are discussing about the quality of the concert and not about the personnel talents of the musician , it is not at all correct to compare one artist with the other.I have not underretted the violinist here at any point. Did i say that she reminds me of mlv?? for whose view you have posted this reply?? I came to know that she is Mlv's student only after seeing your post. She has a clean neat bhani of her own. I also accept that Prabhavathi is the only one who exactly make us remember late mlv. I have heard prabhavathi giving vocal support to mlv at vijayanagaram many times.

somayajulu · Post by **somayajulu** » 29 Dec 2008, 15:19

saptaratna wrote:Her music falls into the category of having a major gap between "imagination and expression". She has a weak voice and very little singing appeal.

Maybe her " new guru " should hopefully help her turn tracks.

saptharathna why do you unneccessarly want to bring such points, If she is learning under a guru let him help her turn tracks, are you giving suggetions to her guru ?? If you want to review a concert please give your views pertaining to concert rather than giving unneccessary advise and suggetions

somayajulu · Post by **somayajulu** » 29 Dec 2008, 22:18

I have just written my views on a concert I have heard , neither I have praised the vocalist too much nor condemned the violinist, where did I mention that I am reminded of the great legend MLV?? Is this a reply for my post or for some other review,
I wonder why amruthavarshini and saptharathna has given inappropriate and irrelevant replies

nithyas · Post by **nithyas** » 30 Dec 2008, 11:24

Both amruthavarshini and sapthrathna are very much confused?? first read out the review given by somayajulu properly , both of you have give funny replies

Amruthavarshini · Post by **Amruthavarshini** » 30 Dec 2008, 12:16

It is not a reply for this post alone, first. I have given my opinion based on various threads about SG in this forum.I still reiterate my view. Repeatedly in SG's concert posts, the violinist have been commented upon. I did not post my comment in those threads. when I saw the same trend in this too, I expressed my views. It is not at all relevant whether somayajulu knows SG or not, or whether he is new to this forum. It is somayajulu who is confused and certainly I am not. It is SG's music that has been reviewed and not Somayajulu's post. Please note.

somayajulu · Post by **somayajulu** » 30 Dec 2008, 12:26

Amruthavarshini wrote:Earlier in some other thread about Subha Ganesan's concert too, the violinist K. Vijayaraghavan was condemned. Both Vijayaraghavan and Anathakrishnan are very good artists, certainly much much better than SG. It is wrong to underplay someone to praise SG. I heard both concerts. I have a feel that Subha Ganesan's music is blown out of proportion in this thread. She is defintely a good singer and has a very long way to go. By the way, she never reminds me of the legendary MLV. Sadly none of MLV's disciples other than Prabhavathi sing like her.

dear amruthavarshini i didnt comment on violin i just mentioned the alapana of keeravani played by the violinist, you have harshly mentioned that the violinists are much much better than the vocalist in your posts??? so it clearly implies that you have degraded the vocalist in this context , I have not at all unerplayed any artist here, i have also mentioned that the vocalist has to develope good voice culture etc does it mean iam degrading the vocalist, If you want to post a reply for any of her pervious review posts do that for an appropriate review and not for mine.

Amruthavarshini · Post by **Amruthavarshini** » 30 Dec 2008, 13:39

"Ananthakrishnan failed to bring the important phrases of keeravani "

Does this imply that you have only mentioned his Keeravani Alapana? I heard the violinist and hence gave my opinion. You seem to leave the point and take this thing on and on. I will not reply you anymore. In my opinion, Subha Ganesan is a very ordinary singer who is trying to make a mark.

jujahuli · Post by **jujahuli** » 30 Dec 2008, 18:07

She should have got Isai Peroli this year. Very unfortunate.

kaapijingala · Post by **kaapijingala** » 30 Dec 2008, 23:24

is it so?? please do not give wrong information about any artist, artists reputation and an organisation's s reputation is very important, you have mentioned some thing as if it is very authentic. Please avoid such informations and let the members share their views about kutcheris and its quality not about tittles and other things, who is unfortunate?? shubha ganesan???