Thiruppavai Ragams

srinivasrgvn · Post by **srinivasrgvn** » 30 Nov 2008, 07:53

Hello to all,
I am a new member and I joined just now.
Actually, I need the whole list of ragams in the thiruppavai(all the 30).

It would be very helpful if I can get it as soon as possible.

Thanking you all,
Srinivas

Enna_Solven · Post by **Enna_Solven** » 30 Nov 2008, 08:04

From Ariyakkudi Ramanuja Iyengar's thiruppavai CD's:

Margazhi Thingal-Nattai-Adi
Vaiyathu Vazhveergal-Gowlai-Adi
Ongi Ulagalandha-Arabhi-Adi
Aazhi Mazhai Kanna-Varali-Adi
Mayanai-Sri-Adi
Pullum Silambina Kan-Shankarabaranam-Misrachapu
Kesu Keesendru-Bhairavi-Misra Chapu
Keezhvanam-Dhanyasi-Adi
Thumani Madathu-Hameer Kalyani-Adi
Nottrusuvargam-Thodi-Misra Chapu
Karrukaravai-Huseni-Misra Chapu
Kannaithilan-Kedaragowlai-Adi
Pullin Vai-Atana-Misra Chapu
Ungal Puzharkadai-Ananda Bhairavi-Adi
Elle Ilankiliye-Begada-Misra Chapu
Nayakanai-Darbar-Adi
Ambarame-Kalyani-Khanda Chapu
Undhumada-Saveri-Misra Chapu
Kuttuvilakkeriya-Sahana-Misra Chapu
Muppattu-Senchurutti-Misra Chapu
Errakalangal-Nadanamakriya-Misra Chapu
Angan Ma-Yamuna Kalyani-Misra Chapu
Mari Malai-Maniranghu-Misra Chapu
Andrivvulagam-Sindhu Bhairavi-Adi
Orutthi Maganai-Behag-Adi
Male Mani Vanna-Kunthalavarali-Adi
Koodarai-Poorvikalyani-Misra Chapu
Karavaigal-Kamboji-Adi
Chittranchiru-Malayamarutham-Misra Chapu
Vangakadal-Surutti-Misra Chapu.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 30 Nov 2008, 09:55

It was he who tuned them too, as seen in the list. Enna_Solven has 'said' it by giving you the list. Until AriaykkuDi 'standardized' as it were the rndering of tiruppAvai, they were sung in any rAgas of the singer's choice, as the divyap prabandams are sung to this day, mostly as viruttams.

Mdrnkvn · Post by **Mdrnkvn** » 30 Nov 2008, 10:04

When His Holiness Chandrasekarendra saraswathi camped at Thiruvidai marudhur, he told shri Ariyakkudi to set the Thriuppavai to standardized tunes and requested him to spead its essence among the public.
And after lot of labour, Ariyakkudi came out with the tunes and begun singing it in his concerts
Connoisseurs will know the nuances of raga essence that he has put in each of them. (Example Keecchhu, thoomani maadathhu, Ambarame, aazhi mazhai, the begada in elle ilangkiye to capture the dialogue and the madhyam sruthi series....!)
Then came MLV version for the light hearted which too became popular

fuddyduddy · Post by **fuddyduddy** » 30 Nov 2008, 10:13

MLV's version has :

Nayakanai-Mohanam
Mari Malai-Bilahari
Chittranchiru-Madhyamavathi

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 30 Nov 2008, 10:24

Who was the one who tuned the MLV version?

Enna_Solven · Post by **Enna_Solven** » 30 Nov 2008, 10:42

I just gave the raw data from my CD's and let the forum elders add more pertinent information

What struck me was that ARI even matched the ragam name, Darbar for nAyakanAi ninRa, the king.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 30 Nov 2008, 12:53

And I just noticed that misra chapu is the high runner thala.

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radhika108 · Post by **radhika108** » 06 Jan 2009, 22:50

hello,

can somebody please tell me at what beat vanga kadal starts in misra chapu. ( 2 long thattu and 2 quick thattus)
thanks in advance.

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 07 Jan 2009, 00:14

Well said MDRnKVN.

Its hard to find any body sing tiruppAvai in ARI's meTTu today (may be apart from vidvAn alapuzhA vEnkaTeSan). The meTTu seems to be different for different singers. I noticed this even with Smt viSAkA hari's rendering. It was different and faster in pace. IMHO, out of all of the tiruppAvai renderings available today, ARI's the best.

Even choice of mAyanai mannu (SrI) and mArimalai muzhainjil (maNirangu) are excellent. mAyanai mannu is the essence of SrImad varAha purANam and has the direct translation of varAha charama slOkam. Since it is so dear to us, vaishnavaites and that it is so auspicious, it needs a very auspicious raga. The majesty of lakSmi narasimhan's naDai (gait) and the softness in him showing karuNai (compassion) towards His devotees (puvai pUvaNNA) are so well captured in the same raga, maNirangu, for mArimalai muzhainjil (like hindOLam for sAmajavaragamanA). We can also say selection of ragas like sAvEri, sahAnA, yamunA kalyANi, bEhag, malayamArutam have been really well thought out.

srichitra · Post by **srichitra** » 07 Jan 2009, 08:30

There is a Thiruppavai( 4-CD pack) sung by ariyakudi himself in concerts. T.N.krishnan -violin & palgat Mani Iyer - mridangam.
Though who wish to sing according to his tune can make use of it.

shadjam · Post by **shadjam** » 07 Jan 2009, 11:33

radhika108 wrote:hello,

can somebody please tell me at what beat vanga kadal starts in misra chapu. ( 2 long thattu and 2 quick thattus)
thanks in advance.

It's 4 after samam (in tamil: nAlu thalli). Samam starts with the two quick thattus

saramati · Post by **saramati** » 07 Jan 2009, 12:03

i have been hearing to my heart's content MLV's rendition of thiruppavai. sorry if my question is silly, but are the ragams sung by MLV are the same as originally set by ariyakudi, except the 3 (mohanam, bilahari and madyamavathy) that member fuddyduddy wrote about.
thanks in advance.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 07 Jan 2009, 12:52

In http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/zAx ... As1NMvHdW/ , the eduppu is on the 3rd beat when you consider MC to be 7 beats. The 'ga' of vanga falls on the 4th beat of this 7 beat cycle.

radhika108 · Post by **radhika108** » 08 Jan 2009, 08:38

Thank you so much Vasanthakokilam and shadjam.

All along I have been thinking misra chapu starts with 2 long thattu.
And when you mean 7 beat cycle, I am hoping you mean takita(2 short thattu) thakadhimi ( 2 long thattu). So when you say naalu thalli it means you start at the ka position of the thala.

And since khanda chapu is 5 beat tala- i am guessing it goes like thaka(1 beat) thakita(2 quick beats).

is there any technique in getting the eduppu of the tala for a song? I am able to do it for adhi talas but clueless for other songs. appreciate your inputs on this.

regards
-r

shadjam · Post by **shadjam** » 09 Jan 2009, 07:05

radhika108 wrote:
All along I have been thinking misra chapu starts with 2 long thattu.

And when you mean 7 beat cycle, I am hoping you mean takita(2 short thattu) thakadhimi ( 2 long thattu). So when you say naalu thalli it means you start at the ka position of the thala.

When I said nAlu thalli I referred to 4 mAtrAs (counts) after samam. misra chApu has a total of 14 mAtrAs. VK was referring to it in terms of aksharams which is only seven. (When you sing swarams in first kAlam you get 7 swarams per Avarthanam/cycle and in second kAlam 14 swarams per Avarthanam/cycle). In your terminology (ta ki ta tha ka dhi mi) each of these aksharams correspond to 2 mAtrAs. So the song starts at the second ta of takita which is the start of 5th mAtrA.