T M Krishna - Krishna Gana Sabha - 31 Jan 2008

hariharans · Post by **hariharans** » 01 Jan 2009, 06:58

Sri Krishna Gana Sabah
31 December 2008

Sri TM Krishna - Vocal
Sri Mysore Nagraj - Violin
Sri Karaikudi Mani - Mridangam
Sri Anirudh Athreya - Kanjira
Sri Rithvik Raja & Kum Vidya - Tampura

01 nenaruncharA - simhavAhini - Adi - S
02 pArka pArka thigatumo - harikhAmboji - rupakam
03 emi jesithe - thodi - misra chApu - R, N S at vara manthra
04 ambA para devathe - rudrapriyA - khanda chApu - S at devathe
05 nAdopAsana - begadA - Adi - R, N S at tantri laya swara rAga T
06 sri rAmachandra kripalu - misra yaman - misra chApu
07 eppo varuvAro - jonepuri - Adi - S
08 thillAnA - chenchuriti - Adi
09 mangalam

mridhangam · Post by **mridhangam** » 01 Jan 2009, 07:30

Hariharan Sir

What nice pictures ...they are awesome especially your Music Academy Picture giving the panoramic view .. was simply scintillating.
Keep them Coming.

J.Balaji

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 01 Jan 2009, 17:55

.....ByeRagjay

rajaglan · Post by **rajaglan** » 01 Jan 2009, 18:49

Hi,

Good song selection. Begada is my current fav . TMK sang Begada RTP in Spring festival in Blore. Was a a nice one.
This list is completely new to me and looks like a commercial release material. Someone should release as commercial CD.
Is 'charsur and TMK' reading this?

SGK_Sangeet_rasika · Post by **SGK_Sangeet_rasika** » 01 Jan 2009, 21:13

Hi all,

I'm also equally surprised to see Guru Karaikudi Mani sir on stage where two TMK's female disciples are seated......

I also thought the same way as member Ragjay on this..............

SGK- a sangeet rasika

ajsriram · Post by **ajsriram** » 02 Jan 2009, 00:46

If this has to be debated (see Guru Karaikudi Mani sir on stage where two TMK's female disciples), It should have been debated when sir was playing with Ramani with (Marci on tambura) and not now.

SGK_Sangeet_rasika · Post by **SGK_Sangeet_rasika** » 03 Jan 2009, 07:53

Dear ajsriram,

I have not seen/heard/attended when the earlier event/concert happened(when sir was playing with Ramani with (Marci on tambura) and not now)

When I see for the first time and when I have a opinion/respect for Guru Karaikudi Mani Sir due to his "certain" principles, I felt shocked and only expressed my "surprise" in the forum.

My view is that we cannot debate on individual's principles.

Going by your words/posting, can we say that this is not the first time when sir's principle has been compromised but he has changed his above principle?

SGK- a sangeet rasika

ajsriram · Post by **ajsriram** » 03 Jan 2009, 12:55

Dr.Ramani-Mani sir- Kannan, 1990-91 music season.
Concert held @ Karthik fine arts (old sabha).
Doordarshan Recording available partly for the concert (Concert started with Maha ganapthim).
This was after he stopped playing for vidhushis.

Other instances being, he played for many concerts with Sri.TMK supported by rithvik and other girl (name unknown).

There is no question of compromise here, He never ever said that he will not play concert if vidhushis support the vocal artist on tambura.

Btw, i will let you know the real reason over mail and not thro the forum

Regards

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 03 Jan 2009, 14:31

Bye ragjay

ajsriram · Post by **ajsriram** » 03 Jan 2009, 17:01

Ragjay: He never ever said that he will not play concert if vidhushis support the vocal artist on TAMBURA.
He stopped sharing stage along with Vidhushis (If the vidhishis sing or play any other instruments).

Regards
Sriram J. Iyer

shwesand · Post by **shwesand** » 03 Jan 2009, 19:15

Isn't TAMBURA an Instrument ?

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 03 Jan 2009, 20:30

I suppose then what you say may be so . But from what I heard at Bharat Kalachar I made that observation Anyway this is immaterial.We all enjoy his brilliant playing and that is the bottom line and relevant to us in this forum and not an unwanted debate on a matter which is purely in the personal domain of the artist. Bye Ragjay

kssuresh · Post by **kssuresh** » 03 Jan 2009, 21:30

But, any views on the concert itself? Seems it was quite a short one. The Harikambhoji piece by Gopalakrishna Bharathi is my favourite.

ajsriram · Post by **ajsriram** » 04 Jan 2009, 08:00

Ragjay wrote:I suppose then what you say may be so . But from what I heard at Bharat Kalachar I made that observation Anyway this is immaterial.We all enjoy his brilliant playing and that is the bottom line and relevant to us in this forum and not an unwanted debate on a matter which is purely in the personal domain of the artist. Bye Ragjay

thanks!

ajsriram · Post by **ajsriram** » 04 Jan 2009, 08:03

shwesand wrote:Isn't TAMBURA an Instrument ?

Then why dont you organize/ perform a Tabura solo concert.

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 04 Jan 2009, 09:17

If KVN were playing the tambura for two hours, I'd probably go attend

We've all heard how perfectly he could tune it.

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 04 Jan 2009, 09:23

BTW the son of a famed violinist I adore also does not accompany females. Clearly there is no point in singling out KRM for such prejudice. And this is exactly why I do not pry into the personal beliefs of artistes (or even believe in meeting them or getting to know them) because I just want to attend their concerts and enjoy their music and leave. I don't want to know anything about them that might colour my appreciation of their art! (Because I am human and I cannot treat the person and his art as separate entities entirely- this is my flaw)

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 04 Jan 2009, 10:28

bilahari,
I am going to start a fan's club-'Bilahari Fan's club'-

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 04 Jan 2009, 23:31

Well said Bilahari - I largely share that view...

mahavishnu · Post by **mahavishnu** » 05 Jan 2009, 03:02

The statements about KRM not sharing the stage with women are patently untrue. Please see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSTDqioUm0E

I saw him perform with his niece (Rajeswari Sainath) and her dance troupe on their tour of US/Canada last year. In fact, some of those performances were discussed here on this forum.

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 09 Jan 2009, 15:34

Todays Hindu Friday Review has a critical review of this concert by critic SVK. He has been analytical and highly critical. Bye Ragjay

Always_Evolving · Post by **Always_Evolving** » 09 Jan 2009, 22:51

because of his not sharing the dias with ladies, because of the responsibilities of the pontificate.unless he has abdicated his position as a pontiff..

Can someone please pontificate about what aspect of pontifficality is lost when a pontiff shares the stage with ladies?

doyoucare · Post by **doyoucare** » 09 Jan 2009, 23:24

Mahavishnu - is it just me or the women actually NOT on stage?

They seem like they have been given a timeout. What rubbish!!!!

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 10 Jan 2009, 08:41

Hi Always_Evolving Anyway what I said earlier was only in passing and it is purely in the private domain of the artist and we have no right to comment on this aspect. We are only concerned with his brilliant playing and let us enjoy that aspect of music instead of debating trivial issues If there is any shortcoming in his playing in any concert that ought to be debated.Thanks Ragjay

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 10 Jan 2009, 08:59

saveri · Post by **saveri** » 10 Jan 2009, 09:41

I am reminded of a great senior Lady Vocalist's comment on the above mentioned ( though digressed issue) !!

"Male accompanists would rather play for male main artists, who can't keep talam or tune, but would avoid accompanying lady (female sounds very cheap !!!) accompanists, even though they are crisp and strong in tala and raga subject"

Maybe the male lot are so "not confident" about themselves, that they would rather stay away than fight it out on stage !!!!!

saveri · Post by **saveri** » 10 Jan 2009, 09:42

Sorry read "Lady Main Artists" ! Error in lol !!

hindolam · Post by **hindolam** » 10 Jan 2009, 11:03

Concert of 31st Jan 2008 being reviewed so late--why?

Always_Evolving · Post by **Always_Evolving** » 10 Jan 2009, 11:35

Hi Always_Evolving Anyway what I said earlier was only in passing and it is purely in the private domain of the artist and we have no right to comment on this aspect. We are only concerned with his brilliant playing and let us enjoy that aspect of music instead of debating trivial issues If there is any shortcoming in his playing in any concert that ought to be debated.Thanks Ragjay

There IS something to be debated. It's called plain old prejudice and discrimination. How would it go down if I was an artist who was of a different race / caste (or gasp! sexual orientation) and someone refused to share the stage with me on that count?

It is not purely in the private domain because concerts are held using sponsor / susbcription / ticket money. Sabhas are supposed to cater to the promotion of art. Which means if I am a woman artist with merit I should get as good chances as anyone else, to play and not get sidelined because a brilliant senior percussionist refused to share the stage with me.

If that were the case I would have every right to feel discriminated against by the sabha. And the general public has a right to listen to good combinations of performers which are not biased by individual prejudices.

vidya · Post by **vidya** » 10 Jan 2009, 12:22

Always_Evolving,
Well said! On the same note, I also wonder how many of us would accept or put up with such discriminatory principles (a fine euphemism for prejudice indeed) in our professions just because our co-worker is several years our senior or is brilliant or a genius?

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 10 Jan 2009, 21:27

I would like to accept the advice of Coolji and say that I withdraw my statement made in passing and I hope that this allows the matter to rest.I am editing the first post and subsequent posts. Bye Ragjay

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 10 Jan 2009, 21:30

I would like to see this discussion end here as individual artists have the freedom to choose with whom they would like to play or sing .Call it prejudice or whim or bias it is their choice.The stars of the yester years did it and so does it continue. Bye Ragjay

mri_fan · Post by **mri_fan** » 10 Jan 2009, 21:39

I would like to think that this unfortunate tradition will die out quickly, and I don't think that Ragjay's attitude is appropriate. This is a form of discrimination that is shameful to me.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 10 Jan 2009, 22:15

Ragjay,
You have been graceful in editing your post. My only wish is that you would use 'see you!' instead of 'bye' in signing off!

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 11 Jan 2009, 09:36

Arasi I stand corrected I shall be interacting in this forum but certainly not on matters of such a trivial nature(with regard to my post made).mri_fan my action on the post was because I thought that in the first place who am i to comment on the likes and dislikes of individual artists preference.The remark in passing has generated a discussion which do not form a part of this thread and the original post also should not have been made here as it is a cutcheri review thread. I do not see any inappropriateness in my action. I did not want the discussion to take the turn which I had not intended that is all. No byes Arasi Thanks Ragjay

Always_Evolving · Post by **Always_Evolving** » 11 Jan 2009, 10:02

I just want us to achieve some clarity on things:

First, from ajsririams post it appears true that Sri Karaikudi Mani refuses to play alongside women artists. I appreciate Ragjay's point that what he said about "pontiff" was kind of just speculation, and a discussion of THAT would be unnecessary. So it is good that he edited that out. However I disagree with Ragjay that this is about a "personal preference". I stand by the points in my earlier post.

To further illustrate how I would distinguish a personal or artistic preference from social discrimination :

if a mridangist feels that the naadam of mridangam doesn't sound so great beyond some 4 kattai and that automatically leaves out many women vocalists, that could be considered an aesthetic preference. If an artist (main or supporting) feels that the STYLE of another does not mesh well with her own, and therefore they would not be able to combine well on stage, that's also an artistic preference. If an artist has had bad experiences with SOME women main artists (say) being domineering and is therefore reluctant to get into such situations, I would still consider it a personal preference, albeit an unfortunate one.

BUT if an artist blanketly does not "share a stage" with others based on their gender alone that's a social prejudice. More so when said artist is a senior, brilliant vidwan as his actions have more impact than that of, say a young upcomer. For that matter even in this forum we are so reluctant to call a spade spade in the case of SBV's.

ajsriram · Post by **ajsriram** » 16 Jan 2009, 12:40

Always_Evolving wrote:I just want us to achieve some clarity on things:

First, from ajsririams post it appears true that Sri Karaikudi Mani refuses to play alongside women artists.

To further illustrate how I would distinguish a personal or artistic preference from social discrimination :

if a mridangist feels that the naadam of mridangam doesn't sound so great beyond some 4 kattai and that automatically leaves out many women vocalists, that could be considered an aesthetic preference. If an artist (main or supporting) feels that the STYLE of another does not mesh well with her own, and therefore they would not be able to combine well on stage, that's also an artistic preference. If an artist has had bad experiences with SOME women main artists (say) being domineering and is therefore reluctant to get into such situations, I would still consider it a personal preference, albeit an unfortunate one.
.

Always_Evolving : I know the reason better than anyone, why mani sir is not sharing stage with other gender artists. Its not at all related to knowledge or gender bias or any kind of unequal treatment. Theres been 1000s of concerts floating in the net with Mani sir shared stage along with DKP, MSS and very few of MLV, which will tell you about the knowledge of the musicians. Its just a policy not to share stage, because of TOO MANY bad experiences and nothing more. I dont want to get into further details about this.