Hi im a new member. Im doing engineering from REC nagpur (presently VNIT nagpur) but at present im at home in Mumbai. I have learnt Carnatic Music for 14 years now but my knowledge about the theory of "namma Sangeetham" is only average. I want to know more about the origin, the development and research in Carnatic Music.Any suggestions?
Could any of u guys tell me how to impress upon absolute non listeners of Carnatic Music (especially rock music listeners)about the greatness of this mammoth musical form?(I am in a city which is dry- both by climate and by enthusiasm. I feel im surrounded by a bunch of incorrigible cynics who have very little or no knowledge or interest in Classical Music. They cant seem to realize that songs like O Lamhe, Aadat and almost all of Himesh Reshamiyya's songs are in Natabhairavi and all of them concentrate on only the taara stayi swarams the consequences of which is that a true connoisseur would find it extremely difficult to enjoy this kind of repetitious music but all i can find is that people run behind this crap and i often have to listen to complaints that Classical music lacks VARIETY!!!! can anyone try to explain where in the whole lot of hellish music of Himesh Reshamiyya is there VARIETY??????)
woes of an engineer- carnatic musician
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Sramana
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"Woes of an engineer-Carnatic musician". Hmmm...I wonder how many of us that could describe!!!
What's your motivation in getting people to appreciate classical music? I'm a staunch classicist in almost everything I do, and I used to try to ensure that other people saw things my way. At some point I realized this was just ego talking: "if they honor what I honor, they are thereby honoring me!"
But of course classical music IS great, and people's lives WOULD be better if they let themselves be influenced by it. I just think that, when telling them this, you should ensure that your motivation is simply love for your interlocutors, unencumbered by elitism. I think that when a person is so motivated, he will tend to suggest rather than insist...
What's your motivation in getting people to appreciate classical music? I'm a staunch classicist in almost everything I do, and I used to try to ensure that other people saw things my way. At some point I realized this was just ego talking: "if they honor what I honor, they are thereby honoring me!"
But of course classical music IS great, and people's lives WOULD be better if they let themselves be influenced by it. I just think that, when telling them this, you should ensure that your motivation is simply love for your interlocutors, unencumbered by elitism. I think that when a person is so motivated, he will tend to suggest rather than insist...
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coolkarni
goks
Count your blessings.
You have had an early start..
and you have the best of technology at your service.
Five years ago, I made a present of 15 dvds (mp3)of choice music for a friend of mine on his 75th birthday.
A friend ,whose family was host to the earliest of Hindustani performers in Chennai .
And after two days of sampling the music , he called me over phone and cried
"this has come too late in my life .There is so much to hear and recapture and so little time..."
Today at 80 he pesters me for more.
Count your blessings.
You have had an early start..
and you have the best of technology at your service.
Five years ago, I made a present of 15 dvds (mp3)of choice music for a friend of mine on his 75th birthday.
A friend ,whose family was host to the earliest of Hindustani performers in Chennai .
And after two days of sampling the music , he called me over phone and cried
"this has come too late in my life .There is so much to hear and recapture and so little time..."
Today at 80 he pesters me for more.
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goks
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Cool! I guess as people become more and more experienced they will realise the 'Uttamam' of our music. Time will perhaps set them examples of unparalleled bliss which can undoubtedly be achieved through Bhaktimarga which our music so explicitly expounds.Swara ,raga Sudharasayuta Bhakti - swarga, apavargamura o manasa!!! (O mind, indeed the bhakti which is juxtaposed with swaram and ragam are even superior to heavenly things!!)[/i]
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vasanthakokilam
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That is a good point, "suggest vs insist". But I could not resist comparing this to the technique used by the missionaries.. May be there is a thing or two to learn from them about converting people to other musical genresBut of course classical music IS great, and people's lives WOULD be better if they let themselves be influenced by it. I just think that, when telling them this, you should ensure that your motivation is simply love for your interlocutors, unencumbered by elitism. I think that when a person is so motivated, he will tend to suggest rather than insist...
j/kKidding aside and rounding out the picture, the same seems to be true of other classical and serious genres, Jazz and Western Classical Music ( WCM ) in particular. Jazz marketshare is stable ( or stagnant ) around 3% and in that circle they lament about the very same thing. "If only I can make him listen to Miles Davis' Kind of Blue he will not go back to the pop crap".
On the other side of the spectrum, I have a colleague who listens only to WCM. Nothing else, absolutely nothing else. He spends thousands of dollars on the best audio equipment to listen to WCM. So a serious listener he is. But he does not initiate talking about WCM or promote WCM. But if you ask him stuff, he will willingly participate in such conversations. People know he is a WCM guy since he has a weekly concert attending schedule, so colleagues know to not expect him at work after 6 P.M., on that day of the week, come hell or high water.
But guess what happens. When anyone needs a WCM recommendation or want to talk about WCM, they go to him. He is the AsthAna WCM guru for all of us!!-
rshankar
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goks,
As the originator of this thread I have a question for you: why do you care what someone else is listening to? So what if someone else, who in your opinion is not very versatile (Himeshh Reshamiyya) is more popular - it the way of the world. Who said it had to be fair?
The purpose of this forum is not to train people to preach/spread CM, but to interested individuals undertand the vast repository of this art form. My advice to you would be to learn how to appreciate the music better, how to be a true musician yourself, and how to help 'interested' people understand it better.
And you can not dictate what appeals to others. Just because you can't get your friends to appreciate CM they are not inferior or in any way unfortunate human beings, and by the same token, if most CM rasikas are not for listening to songs on gay rights, it does not make us any less socially conscious.
Ravi
As the originator of this thread I have a question for you: why do you care what someone else is listening to? So what if someone else, who in your opinion is not very versatile (Himeshh Reshamiyya) is more popular - it the way of the world. Who said it had to be fair?
The purpose of this forum is not to train people to preach/spread CM, but to interested individuals undertand the vast repository of this art form. My advice to you would be to learn how to appreciate the music better, how to be a true musician yourself, and how to help 'interested' people understand it better.
And you can not dictate what appeals to others. Just because you can't get your friends to appreciate CM they are not inferior or in any way unfortunate human beings, and by the same token, if most CM rasikas are not for listening to songs on gay rights, it does not make us any less socially conscious.
Ravi