Help with meaning of the lyrics for 'adharkullE En indha pad

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 05 Feb 2009, 01:04

The song is "adharkullE En indha padhattam..."

May be downloaded here:

http://rapidshare.com/files/192784277/u ... rkulle.mp3

I need help with the last charanam.

Tamil knowledgeable nettors (arasi?) please help.

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 05 Feb 2009, 03:15

Corrections welcome:

adarkuLLE Eninda. rAgA: kAmavardhani. cApu tALA. Composer: Subbarama Iyer.

P: adarkkuLLE Eninda padaTTam kalandaNaindu maruvi anubhavikkalAm pOrum pOrum
A: madhu malar taDam shUzhum taNigai malai vAsarE mayil vAhana kumarEsharE
C: iDuvAr sondamAga irundAl mudal vandi kaDarvangi enbar uNDO
vEl oruvarai toDuvEn enbadaittaLLum unakku paravashamAi sonna sollukkiraNDO
kaiyai viDum viDum avadUrukkiDamAi vandu nErum vELai iduvO sAmI
eNNI pArum vArum neDunEramum illai nila veLiccam vAngaTTum
neLindu neLIndu peraLUm kizhA nI viTTOngaTTum

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 05 Feb 2009, 04:24

Lji,
Some corrections:

P: porum porum (please be patient) (pOrum pOrum would mean 'enough, enough')
C: enbaduNDO
vEroruvarai toDuvEn endadai taLLum
illai nilA veLiccam...
peralum ???tUNgaTTum?

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 05 Feb 2009, 10:39

Lakshmanji...

Corrections/Questions:

C. mudhal pandhi kadar pandhi enbadhundo
enbadai tallum
kizha neeli thoongattum

Now will someone attempt to translate charanam line 1?

V_ANNASAMY · Post by **V_ANNASAMY** » 05 Feb 2009, 11:30

possible corrections :

P: adaRkkuLLE Eninda padaRTRam? kalandaNaindu maruvi anubhavikkalAm porum! porum!!

A: madhu malar taDam shUzhum taNigai malai vAsarE mayil vAhana kumarEsharE

C: iDuvAr sondamAga irundAl mudal pandhi kaDai pandhi enbar/enbAr uNDO?
vEroruvarai toDuvEn/tEDuvEn enbadait taLLum;
unakku paravashamAi sonna sollukkinai uNDO?
kaiyai viTTu viDum avadUrukkiDamAi vandu nErum vELai iduvO?
sAmI, eNNI pArum; vArum; neDunEramum illai : nila veLiccam vAngaTTum
neLindu neLIndu puraLUm kizhA nIli viTTODaTTum/thoongaTTum.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 05 Feb 2009, 13:28

charanam 1st line explain pannunga saar!

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 05 Feb 2009, 13:31

charanam 3rd line:

umakku

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 05 Feb 2009, 17:33

Thank to everyone for the corrections.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 05 Feb 2009, 19:54

I will try the first line of the caraNam.
iDuvAr (those who serve the food--hosts) ; If you are related and are close to the family, you wouldn't complain that you were not seated at the very first pandi (batch) at a (wedding) feast.

enbAr (those who say)
tEDuvEn ( taLLum: give up that idea of looking for someone else).
Is it?: nilA veLiccam AgaTTum
puraLum; tUngaTTum

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 06 Feb 2009, 11:47

arasi wrote: iDuvAr (those who serve the food--hosts) ; If you are related and are close to the family, you wouldn't complain that you were not seated at the very first pandi (batch) at a (wedding) feast.

Kind of what I thought. Seems to have some hidden meaning,

What are your interpretations of this? Think this is a song sung by a professional

to her lover?

vganesh · Post by **vganesh** » 06 Feb 2009, 14:35

I will give the meaning in detail. But the stage is like this. The composer assume himself to be the
Girl / lady and sung about Lord Muruga. Kind of SrinGara RaSam like Kannan PaTtu of Bharati and Songs of Oothukadu Sri Venkatasubbiyer.

In short the girl is telling Lord to wait .

In a while let the moon come fully, where I am running, otherwise people will talk ill of us.
" kaiyai viTTu viDum avadUrukkiDamAi vandu nErum vELai iduvO? :"

Leave my hand. "AvaDhuru kidam (edam) NamMai vandu Nerum"

Any other decryption is welcome !

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 06 Feb 2009, 14:49

Frankly IMHO the anupallavi is there just to give the song some "respectability" - and make it acceptable into the concert stage.

Of course, not that there is anything wrong with that

Charanam is where, as Vivek would say, the "matter" is.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 06 Feb 2009, 15:48

Suresh,
You may see hidden meaning in it, but it is obvious to me, yes, if you see it in an earthy context

The pallavi gives a warning and instructions follow in the caraNam. The anupallavi takes care of an excuse of a fleeting reference to some god. Yes, the 'matter' is in the CaraNam. And Vivek is, the V in Annasamy?

Many such songs carry the terrestrial and celestial elements equally. Here is one which does not say much about murugan. What it does say can be contained in a 'calling' card!

vganesh · Post by **vganesh** » 06 Feb 2009, 16:41

Also the second and thrid line of the Charanam to be taken first before the first line to obtain the correct meaning. Similarly the "Kizha nelli thoongaTTum" may be the property that particular plant/tree which will be quite after Sunset. But very beautiful song similar to those of Oothukadu and Mahakavi Bhrathi. I thought only these two tamizh poets have taken so much of liberty with god.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 06 Feb 2009, 18:50

venkaTa kavi and mahA kavi bArati? Sorry, I cannot see this song being similar to anything that they have sung!

V_ANNASAMY · Post by **V_ANNASAMY** » 07 Feb 2009, 15:02

arasi

'And Vivek is, the V in Annasamy?'

I just saw your 'vivek(pUrna)' praShn.

I am not 'Vivek' Annasamy and do not want to take any undue credit.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 07 Feb 2009, 19:57

arasi wrote:Suresh,
You may see hidden meaning in it, but it is obvious to me, yes, if you see it in an earthy context The pallavi gives a warning and instructions follow in the caraNam. The anupallavi takes care of an excuse of a fleeting reference to some god. Yes, the 'matter' is in the CaraNam. And Vivek is, the V in Annasamy?

Many such songs carry the terrestrial and celestial elements equally. Here is one which does not say much about murugan. What it does say can be contained in a 'calling' card!

Looks like you agree with me, mostly! No need to be coy when we are in such intense academic discussions

And Vivek is the tamil movie comedian - connoisseur par excellence of the Chennai lingo. Apologies to Mr. Annasamy - although Vivek is a pretty cool.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 07 Feb 2009, 20:15

vganesh wrote:Also the second and thrid line of the Charanam to be taken first before the first line to obtain the correct meaning.

Take it in any order. Just explain with reference to context the 1st line using all the words in tact.

Similarly the "Kizha nelli thoongaTTum" may be the property that particular plant/tree which will be quite after Sunset.

Nice try! Can you spell "Bowdlerization"

? I feel that the "Kizha Neeli" is the "Madam".

But very beautiful song similar to those of Oothukadu and Mahakavi Bhrathi.

Beautifil song alright. Hides more than it exposes.Not sure if the other 2 are in the same genre.

I thought only these two tamizh poets have taken so much of liberty with god.

We are talking real liberty here! Even other gods may be involved

vganesh · Post by **vganesh** » 09 Feb 2009, 11:42

The meaning of the first line in the charanam is what Arasi Madam has explained. No change

Still you have given me a job and I need to complete

Will come back.

vganesh · Post by **vganesh** » 09 Feb 2009, 11:58

SureshJi,

Please check this site. It is very interesing. The solution for your question is completely answered I assume.

http://archives.chennaionline.com/music ... song22.asp

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 11 Feb 2009, 01:54

Ganeshji,

Excellent detective work! Interestingly, this particular song is not listed on that page as one of his works.

I am ready for a collection of the "Best of Subbarama Iyer"

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 11 Feb 2009, 04:26

Subbarama Iyer has composed over 100 songs.

What did you have in mind when you said: I am ready for a collection of the "Best of Subbarama Iyer"

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 11 Feb 2009, 11:32

Songs of the "earthy" kind (as arasi puts it) only having bhakthi rasa tangentially if at all. Songs that conceal more than they reveal and require a little bit of effort to fill in the blanks.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 11 Feb 2009, 19:37

if it is worth one's trouble

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 13 Feb 2009, 00:05

arasi wrote:if it is worth one's trouble

But with rasikas (.org) there is always someone willing to go that extra mile!