DD Podhigai series on up-and-coming musicians

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 01 Mar 2009, 08:02

Welcome to the forum, Subhiksha, another promising young performer! I heard you for the first time during this season and was impressed with your performance. It is also nice to see young performers like you appreciating each other!

tkb · Post by **tkb** » 01 Mar 2009, 09:21

One needs great blessings to scale great heights in any chosen field along with talents and so is the case for Sathya. It is also a fact that one will get negative comments (may be some time more but still will come out strongly. I sincerely hope Sathya comes out successfully in the near future.

Regarding "Prodigy" - my understanding is that we need to see if the quality of a person is sustained as they grow and the person excels in the field they have taken up in the early age.

Some times it is also based on certain achievements and people term one as "Prodigy". In Sathya's case, may be people refer him because - He scored 77% in his initial Piano practical western exam when he was 4, he being featured in Limca Book of Records 2003 for being youngest Indian to pass Grade 4 of Trinity College, London at the age of 6, being one of the youngest to pass Grade 8 at 10, being awarded Asthana Vidwan of Sri Kalahastheeswarar Temple at the age of 12.

It is always difficult for a person to establish some thing new and so is the case for Sathya as he is in his childhood age going thru' all these while trying to bring out the nuances of carnatic on keyboard. I am of the opinion that all this will make him work more and make him perfect as possible. Well i sincerely feel that there are enough people and forums to support Sathya as on date and this will grow to a larger size if he can continuous to put efforts to maintain / develop on what he is trying to achieve.
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perarulalan · Post by **perarulalan** » 01 Mar 2009, 10:35

I second rshankar and VK in their opinion. I feel young artistes should be given encouragement rather than bashing in public forum. Especially for kids like Satya and others who have been at the receiving end in some of the older threads, this kind of bashing will be more discouraging and can bring down their confidence and morale. Hence it would be better if members do not compare young artistes and demoralize them.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 01 Mar 2009, 11:18

Absolutely. Those among us who would applaud a child when it first starts walking (falling as many times as it takes a step), should extend the same kind of encouragement to budding young artistes. Encourage them, by all means--but to bash them is insensitive. Even with seasoned artistes, we need to restrain ourselves while criticizing them. While we profess that we love CM, why take to mud slinging? The young psyches need nurturing. If one does not care for the music of a particular young artiste, prodigy or not, it is best not to say things which are negative. I praise young talents when I hear them. I praise seasoned performers too, though their levels of expertise is much higher. The reason? Unless you nurture young ones today, what kind of a crop of future musicians can we expect to keep CM alive and well?

subhiksha rangarajan · Post by **subhiksha rangarajan** » 02 Mar 2009, 08:49

hello everyone..i have been mistaken for the identity of an artist as i see here..i am not the singer but a regular at sabhas as a music lover ..!!!

the striking similarity in "name " did the trouble..!!

viswam · Post by **viswam** » 02 Mar 2009, 11:02

the dd program on young artists is just great .I have listened two episodes of it and missed some.

Mandolin sisters were really good with their performance.Its very difficult for me to find out who is who among them .!But they are blessed with good talent.i was very happy to see their interaction.

Similarly the session with young Athira was just brilliant.For a young performer on the violin ,she is too good with a wide knowledge base of different World Music Traditions.
Athira's Composition especially the "Tribute to Gypsy" was soul stirring .

Thanks to Nivedita and DD for this good program.

krishnaprasad · Post by **krishnaprasad** » 02 Mar 2009, 12:41

I liked the ease with which Athira plays Violin.Her playing was outstanding and she has a commendable knowledge on the laya front as well.The Keeravani based Tribute to Gypsy was really wonderful with its beautiful harmonic arrangements.
Nivedita, you did a good job as an interviewer,I will try not to miss any other episodes of this show in the fuure.

Athira seems not only a good violinist but also a very good composer.All the best.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 02 Mar 2009, 13:01

What is the "Gypsy" that they were paying tribute to? Did I miss the explanation?

Svaapana · Post by **Svaapana** » 02 Mar 2009, 13:45

Hope Athira accompanies leading artistes of the day. In course of time she may help fill the "void" created by the trinity (discussed elswhere in the forum)

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 02 Mar 2009, 13:56

Sambamurhty mentions Simhendramadhyamam being a popular scale among Hungarian gypsies or some such...no idea about Kiravani although the two ragas are quite close

blackadder · Post by **blackadder** » 02 Mar 2009, 17:51

viswam, I think you have missed only one (at least I have watched only three so far). But nivedita has uploaded the links to Sathya's programme on Youtube. You can find the links on this thread.

This is for the moderator: Why does it show Banned under viswam's id whereas it shows Member under all others?

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 02 Mar 2009, 18:06

blackadder wrote:This is for the moderator: Why does it show Banned under viswam's id whereas it shows Member under all others?

Viswam, subhiksha rangarajan, krishnaprasad and malini iyengar are multiple IDs of the same person. So all except Malini Iyengar are banned. It is against forum rules to use multiple IDs simultaneously

nivedita · Post by **nivedita** » 02 Mar 2009, 20:42

arasi wrote:I do know you through the forum (pity, we could not meet this season) and think highly of you...

Thank you very much, arasi-ji! We will definitely meet up the next time you are in India.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 02 Mar 2009, 21:31

srkris wrote:So all except Malini Iyengar are banned. It is against forum rules to use multiple IDs simultaneously

How about banning of all them AND that email id forever? Let us deal with these critters with extreme prejudice

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 02 Mar 2009, 22:45

And I have been barking up the wrong tree thinking it was the young vocalist I liked listening to, this season. Sigh...

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 03 Mar 2009, 02:44

vijay wrote:Sambamurhty mentions Simhendramadhyamam being a popular scale among Hungarian gypsies or some such...no idea about Kiravani although the two ragas are quite close

Kiravani's equivalent scale is Harmonic Minor and when used in western pop music context, it sounds like the music used in belly-dance and to some extent latin. A far cry from our kiravani.

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 03 Mar 2009, 03:35

One of my friends who learns western classical found a striking resemblance between kIravANi and their harmonic minor. So is its pop usage different from its western classical usage?

blackadder · Post by **blackadder** » 03 Mar 2009, 08:20

Thanks, srkris. Just a follow up question out of curiosity: If an identity is banned, how is one able to post using that ID? I mean, if the ID can be identified as one of mutiple ID's, I would suppose that it is possible to ban posts from such an ID. But then perhaps you do not want to censor so much.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 03 Mar 2009, 08:41

The banned label will show on all previous posts. The person will not be able to post using that ID any further. We have not taken the drastic step of clean-up of all previous posts!

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 03 Mar 2009, 09:48

The "natural" scale of Kiravani would indeed be almost unrecognizable....it is the gamakas that make our ragas what they are.

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 03 Mar 2009, 09:50

If you've heard Swan Lake - the chief refrain is in Natabhairavi but unless you break it down note by note and assume a tonic, it would be impossble to tell...

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 03 Mar 2009, 10:33

Listen to these two. I think both start off in Harmonic Minor. Very attractive but I do not see much kiravani. You will readily know what I mean by middle eastern belly dance or latin style melody.

http://www.esnips.com/doc/1a4c990f-f182 ... -You-Again ( this is definitely Harmonic Minor )

http://www.esnips.com/doc/06229e64-ee0f ... In-Bangkok ( One night in bangkok, first 30 seconds sounds like Harmonic Minor to me)

Comments?

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 03 Mar 2009, 13:38

Not sure about the first one - it might well be in Harmonic Minor but I could not get a clear grip on the tonic...second one - at least the first 30 seconds - I am almost certain, is Mayamalavagowla.

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 03 Mar 2009, 14:34

First one's opening few notes sounds like SPDPDP, a phrase in the kIravANi note Mandolin Srinivas plays. Other than I was clueless. Second one did sound closes to MMG in the opening phrases. Completely at sea during the rest of it.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 03 Mar 2009, 17:40

vasanthakokilam wrote:Listen to these two. I think both start of in Harmonic Minor. Very attractive but I do not see much kiravani. You will readily know what I mean by middle eastern belly dance or latin style melody.

http://www.esnips.com/doc/1a4c990f-f182 ... -You-Again ( this is definitely Harmonic Minor )

http://www.esnips.com/doc/06229e64-ee0f ... In-Bangkok ( One night in bangkok, first 30 seconds sounds like Harmonic Minor to me)

Comments?

Isn't this also supposed to be a variant of kIravANI as well?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBVatR5B0fc

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 03 Mar 2009, 21:50

vasanthakokilam wrote:Listen to these two. I think both start of in Harmonic Minor. Very attractive but I do not see much kiravani. You will readily know what I mean by middle eastern belly dance or latin style melody.

http://www.esnips.com/doc/1a4c990f-f182 ... -You-Again ( this is definitely Harmonic Minor )

http://www.esnips.com/doc/06229e64-ee0f ... In-Bangkok ( One night in bangkok, first 30 seconds sounds like Harmonic Minor to me)

Comments?

Very Interesting - particularly the second one. To my ears, it seemed like both ni's and both ma's are used in the first 30s.. First part (upto 21s) seemed like vakulabharanam. Then (from 24s) it is a mixture of two scales: first seems like a descent pattern using ni3, d1, p and m1; the other a descent pattern using pa, m2, g2. The feel seems MMG and (maybe) subhapantuvarali. The MMG feel because I carry over R1 and G3 from earlier parts, and the subhapantuvarali because I carry over D1, N3 (and R1) from earlier parts.

I could of course be wrong - this is just what I perceive.

ravi - I also think that pATTu pADavA is based on the harmonic minor scale.

Arun

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 04 Mar 2009, 01:53

Arun, All: thanks for shedding light on these two pieces. I also see MMG in the second one. ( not enough swara gyanam to detect the nuances you have detected ). Somehow, I got the mistaken impression that the second one also had the harmonic minor aesthetics. The second one was what I referred to the belly-dance music!! The first one has more of the latin (as in latin american) vibe.

Ravi, your reference to pAttu pADa vA is a nice cross over between kiravani the raga and the Harmomic Minor the scale. I can atleast see some scope for establishing a relationship from pAttu pADa Va to 'I have got to see you again'. ( still a stretch ).

In 'I have to see you' song ( http://www.esnips.com/doc/1a4c990f-f182 ... -You-Again ), listen to the violin between 2:48 to 2:52. She plays what looks to be predominantly the Arohana. Does that sound close to kiravani?

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 04 Mar 2009, 02:04

Thanks Arun...

VK - do you hear ANY kIravANi in pATTu pADavA? [btw it is 'pATTu pADavA' (shall I sing a song?) and not 'pATTu pADa vA' (come here to sing...)!]

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 04 Mar 2009, 02:27

Ravi: After Arun pointed out I see a lot of similarity between pATTu pADavA and I've got to see you again, especially in the initial Whistle section of pATTu pADavA and its instrumental interludes. I guess that is not surprising. But I do not find much kiravani in it but I normally do not sense ragas in film music unless it is sung like a raga. I will take some time and listen to some kiravani alapana and pATTu pADavA back to back and see if I sense any commonality. I guess if we try hard, we may find it.

Thanks for the correction on pATTu pADavA. Instinctively I thought it is the other one. I guess rest of the lines disambiguate it to pATTu pADavA. ( Reminds me of the ambiguity with 'muLLum malarum' )

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 05 Mar 2009, 08:07

nivedita,
congratulations! excellent program. Young boys band was good. All the boys are well trained in different arts. Blessings for bright future.
Thanjavooran

tkb · Post by **tkb** » 05 Mar 2009, 11:41

Oxygen - the group had really performed well. Hope Nivedita & DD team finds new talents & bring up in this show.

Svaapana · Post by **Svaapana** » 06 Mar 2009, 10:06

well......

nivedita · Post by **nivedita** » 06 Mar 2009, 15:19

I'm going to be shooting with a young girl who is an accomplished Nadaswara artiste this sunday. If you'd like me to ask her some specific questions, let me know

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 07 Mar 2009, 03:49

Nivedita
I am interested to know the norm for changing the seevali during a performance.
Thanjavooran

nivedita · Post by **nivedita** » 08 Mar 2009, 16:10

Thanjavooran, thanks. I've asked her your question. This episode will be aired on the 18th of this month.

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 12 Mar 2009, 04:48

yesterday's progm was good. They are sound in violin and vocal too. Mirudhangam and ghatam were also excellent. Hooking these boys also into conversation would be an introduction for them . The progm will be little more lively.
Thanjavooran

nivedita · Post by **nivedita** » 13 Mar 2009, 22:03

Thanks thanjavooran. I'll try to get the percussionists on the show in a separate episode.

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 19 Mar 2009, 04:57

Nivedita Narayanan,
congrats! The program was good. I could not digest when the artiste narrated an incident at virudhunagar. Most of the parents of child artiste do not understand the psychology and the kids are put into lot of mental stress also like home sick etc. The thavil and drone players must be from the same family. Really appreciated the girl's ambition to become a nadaswaram guru sothat she can produce more lady artistes in that field. Wish her good luck.
Thanjavooran

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 19 Mar 2009, 10:27

thanjavooran,
Was your question to the young nAgasvaram player answered?

tkb · Post by **tkb** » 19 Mar 2009, 15:56

missed the program on both Wednesday and Thursday. If it was recorded and uploaded can any one give a link pls?

Svaapana · Post by **Svaapana** » 20 Mar 2009, 16:32

Arasi,
I thought she answered that question: Seevali is changed whenever the nadaswaram player finds it soft.
Am I right Nivedita?
Thanks Nivedita for a well compered program. I am also one of those who regret the absence of nadaswaram concerts in today's CM scene. It was heartening to listen to a young bright prospect.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 20 Mar 2009, 19:35

Thanks Swaapana. Since I didn't see the program (wish I had the facility), I did not know.

nivedita · Post by **nivedita** » 20 Mar 2009, 20:27

Thanjavooran, thanks!

Svaapana, you got it right!

Once the seevali becomes soft, it doesn't produce the proper sounds.

Svaapana · Post by **Svaapana** » 31 Mar 2009, 13:49

Surprising to note that there has been no further reviews on this series! I for one lost contact as the local cable dealer has stopped airing podhigai, unfortunate.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 31 Mar 2009, 14:44

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 31 Mar 2009, 15:44

Sruti Sagar's concert was good [flute]. I find one thing in common in all these budding artistes. Their main ambition is to teach their art to youngsters. It was a good show. Well done Nividita!
Thanjavooran

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 02 Apr 2009, 07:04

Yesterday's artiste was Janani. She has received more than 20 awards within her age of 17. She played key board and sang few songs. It was a full bench kutcheri. The boy who played drums brought in the naunces of kanjira during thani. In genereal the entire performance was good. When she was asked about her aim in this field she told she should maintain the good name of her Gurus Neyveli and BMK. My blessings to her. I clould not identify the performance of bass guitar as it synchronised with the key board I presume.
Thanjavooran

nivedita · Post by **nivedita** » 02 Apr 2009, 08:40

Thanks thanjavooran for the regular updates.

Here's a general update from my end: There are numerous rules governing everything ones does in Doordarshan (I wanted to bring Dr.Balamuralikrishna on the show, Jananiy being his disciple, but well...). But as of now, the response has been very good, despite the fact that it is aired at the same time as Airtel Super Singer. Both the channel and I have been getting requests from young artistes/their parents/relatives. We're doing our best to feature all of them. We're also on the look-out for sponsors. Keeping fingers crossed!

vganesh · Post by **vganesh** » 02 Apr 2009, 09:26

Dear Nivedita,
It was an excellent program yesterday. I watched the complete show and really happy that you are able to compete with the prime time. Janani is very good, in fact my sons were surprised about the keerthanam, (If I remember correct), she could sing in all combinations without a hitch (they have seen only in thisram as given in the book). hats off. You are also doing good within DDs. All the best for sponsors.
Regards

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 02 Apr 2009, 19:20