Lyrics for Purandara Dasa song on Lakshmi and Parvati.

HarishankarK · Post by **HarishankarK** » 23 Feb 2009, 13:42

Hi, I want the lyrics and meaning for a kannada Purandaradasa song (ragamalika) on Lakshmi and Parvati. I went for a dance recital last weekend and two young artistes presented this song. I barely know/understand Kannada and the song was sung inexpertly and therefore i donot have any details.

But i wish to have the lyrics and meaning of this composition where Lakshmi and Parvati meet and argue over each other's husband being most powerful and also criticize each other's husbands (Visnu and Siva resp.). Finally they reconcile and realise that Hari and Haran are the same.

thanks in advance !!

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 23 Feb 2009, 18:17

What are the starting words?

Sreeni Rajarao · Post by **Sreeni Rajarao** » 23 Feb 2009, 19:50

Is this by any chance "ksheerAbdi kannike srI mahAlakshmi nI yArige vadhuvAde?"

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » 23 Feb 2009, 21:10

Sreeni Rajarao wrote:Is this by any chance "ksheerAbdi kannike srI mahAlakshmi nI yArige vadhuvAde?"

but this does not refer to the argument of Lakshmi And Parvati. It lists the various epithets of Vishnu alone!!

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 24 Feb 2009, 00:40

I am almost certain this is the song: "taraLe ranne kappu maiyava Etara chaluvanE?"

I think I had posted it to the Rasika Wiki too some time ago. Anyway, here are some links where you can find the song and the meaning:

http://tinyurl.com/d5waxx

http://www.forumhub.com/indcmusic/9213.04.52.27.html

http://promiserani.proboards18.com/inde ... thread=153

HarishankarK · Post by **HarishankarK** » 24 Feb 2009, 12:25

Yes yes the song indeed is "taraLe ranne kappu maiyava Etara chaluvanE?". This is an interesting song where arguments and criticizims are used to hail glory of Lord Siva and Visnu.
Many many thanks to all - i wanted to bring this peice to everyone's notice - hope someone tunes this as ragamalika and renders in concerts also. I would sure like to learn it.

rrao13 · Post by **rrao13** » 04 Mar 2009, 06:09

HarishankarK wrote:Finally they reconcile and realise that Hari and Haran are the same.

Just wish to point out that Haridasas are Vaishnavites; hence Shri Hari and Shiva are NOT the same.
No Haridasa would ever write a krithi that will negate the fundamental belief of "Hari Sarvottama tattva".

Thanks.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 04 Mar 2009, 08:05

rrao13 wrote:Just wish to point out that Haridasas are Vaishnavites; hence Shri Hari and Shiva are NOT the same.
No Haridasa would ever write a krithi that will negate the fundamental belief of "Hari Sarvottama tattva".

No, but they can refer to Siva as the parama vaishNava (as is done in candra cUDa)

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 04 Mar 2009, 09:13

rrao13 Sir, I second you. But its sometimes difficult to push forward what rshankar is saying in this forum. Even tyAgarAjasvAmi says that "SrIgaNapati is always having SrIhari's feet in his heart".

gowri narayanan · Post by **gowri narayanan** » 04 Mar 2009, 14:38

Bhagavatam says vaishnavaanaam yathaa shambhu:

HarishankarK · Post by **HarishankarK** » 04 Mar 2009, 14:44

"Finally they reconcile and realise that Hari and Haran are the same." I am not sure who wrote this song or what Harisdasa's are made of.
The final episode in the song is that of reconciliation between the two Godesses on the One Supreme being.

rrao13 · Post by **rrao13** » 04 Mar 2009, 18:50

With all due respect, in Vaishnavite school of thought, the only Supreme Being is Lord Shri Hari and that NO Haridasa krithi will ever contain anything other than that realization. Hari Sarvottama concept is a primary tenet of Sri Madhvacharya. I dont wish to get into an elaborate discussion about this because this message board is for music, not for religion. But I beg of you, NOT to interpret a Haridasa composition to break a fundamental belief of Maadhvas. It is tantamount to an atheist making remarks in a theistic community.

If you read the second link provided by "Ramakriya" you will get the full meaning and what Shri Purandaradasa is saying. I humbly request you to read the material in that link (for your ready reference it is: http://www.forumhub.com/indcmusic/9213.04.52.27.html )

Amongst Maadhvas, Shri Purandara Daasa's compositions are considered to be another Upanishat and the esteemed Shri Vyaasaraaja teertha used to call them as Purandaropanishat and worship them accordingly. Hence any Maadhva person will be highly offended if a Haridasa composition is not interpreted per Vaishnava siddhantha.

I wont be writing on this subject any more because in this board, it is very easy to get caught into a maelstrom of debates and opinions. All I am saying is that Shri Purandara Dasa is a Haridasa and is a Maadhva Vaishnavite and no composition of his will contain any thing other than the truth (per Maadhva sampradaya) that Shri Hari is Supreme. One is free to accept this or not but one can not and must not interpret it in any other form. Also bear in mind that most Haridasa compositions were meant to propagate their beliefts; they did not really compose with Karnatik music in mind. They were fundamentally preachers, not musicians. Hence it is important that the meaning is derived with that thought in mind.

Thanks for reading this rather longish post. Shir Krishnarpanamasthu.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 05 Mar 2009, 00:11

While on the topic of Lakshmi and Parvati, here is some ramble one another Purandara dasa dEvaranAma :

"Lakshmi, the Supreme Teacher!" : http://hamsanada.blogspot.com/2009/03/blog-post_04.html

The post is in Kannada.

-Ramakriya

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 05 Mar 2009, 03:19

rraoji, Very well written thoughts. It is true for any of the four vaiSNava sAmpradAyas. I'm very happy to see your post trying to explain the position of dAsaravAru as a parama vaiSNava. Do you know if any body has published any work on dAsaravAru's kIrtanas in the purandarOpaniSad angle with or with out commentary.?

On a side note - Even AdiSankarabhagavdpAdar in his brahmasUtrabhASyam ISanaSIlO nArAyaNaha.

Hariharanji : The last charaNa reads "harihararige sAmyavEne pELe rukmiNi purandara viTTala sarvOttama kELe bhavAni". DRS's commentary on this charaNa: "Come on tell me rukmiNi, is there any comparison between viSNu & Siva? - listen bhAvani, viSNu is the best of all". IMHO, they are not reconciling that SrIhari and haran are one and the same. As rrao13 Sir has pointed, it would go against the philosophy of any vaiSNava sAmpradAya.

rAmakriya, any chance of reading it in english? The title has made me curious.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 05 Mar 2009, 05:23

ksrimech wrote: rAmakriya, any chance of reading it in english? The title has made me curious.

Sure, translations always come, a little later.

Actually, I would be very glad if another forum member does the translation too - There are several regulars who know Kannada

If nobody does it, I will surely do it in a while.

For me writing comes out naturally in Kannada - I do not think about what words I would use, and most of the time I have no clue how the writeup progresses. It just goes wherever my train of thoughts take me to. When it comes to writing in English, it isn't the same!

-Ramakriya