Yet Another Spinoff: Ragas Everybody Likes

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 04 Mar 2009, 14:35

Yay! Here is mine. I have tried to stick to ragas that 1) Have a reasonable krithi base and 2) Are capable of elaboration at least as a sub-main. Thus favourites like Bageshri and Darbari have been eliminated. Also I have tried to avoid similar ragas - for example Suryakantam loses out to Sowrashtram, Saransangi to Charukeshi etc. The list (no particular order). Also including favourite krithis

Shuba Pantuvarali Ennalu Oorake - but generally poor in krithi content
Hansanandhi Needu Mahima - same as above
Hindolam Neerajakshi
Kapi Intha Sowkhya
Kharaharapriya Rama Neeyeda
Chakravakam Etulabrotovu
Kalyani Abhayamba
Kambhoji Mari Mari Ninne
Varali Kamakshi
Shanmukhapriya There is certainly scope for composers in this monumental raga - prefer RTPs at the moment.
Madhyamavathi Rama Katha Sudha
Sowrashtram Sree Ganapathi Nee
Abheri Nagumomu
Kamas Sujana Jeevana
Kalyanavasantham Nadalolodai
Charukeshi Kripalaya but generally poor in krithi content
Ramapriya Korinavaramu - as above
Kanada Sukhi Evvaro
Bhairavi Rakshabettarai
Saveri Sree Rajagopala

gmohan · Post by **gmohan** » 04 Mar 2009, 15:58

shankarabharanam
Abohi
darbar
kapi
ramapriya
sahana
dhanyasi
kambhodi
reetigowlai
Arabhi
mukhari
bhairavi
begada
khamas
kiravani
nataikurunji
narayanagowlai
sarasangi
karaharapriya
thodi

kartik · Post by **kartik** » 04 Mar 2009, 17:35

deleted

vainika · Post by **vainika** » 04 Mar 2009, 17:36

vidya wrote:now Everybody is now coming up with lists Everybody else likes. ..

Almost, but not quite. I think each person is coming up with a list of rAgas he/she likes, from which will be extracted (by S-body not E-body) a list that E-body likes.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 04 Mar 2009, 19:39

And, if I understand right, there will be a veto vote on that extracted list. That vote is just another chance for S-body to veto certains items off the list.

uday_shankar · Post by **uday_shankar** » 04 Mar 2009, 20:20

Caution, knaves. Many body problems, classical or quantum, can be tricky or impossible to solve.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 04 Mar 2009, 20:27

Did anybody get 'Informed Consent' from the ragas/participants to be included as everybody's favourite

To be totally valid this exercise should be double-blind; where the responder as well as the raga did not know their identity (masked) and only the Arbiter knows the raga being tested for universal favourite

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 04 Mar 2009, 21:14

kartik wrote:deleted

Sounds interesting... which meLa is this ragam under?

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 04 Mar 2009, 21:17

This can be a never ending exercise...
after all the veto, we choose one raga as the unanimous choice,
and then bingo!
one of the silent rasikas here springs a surprise,
and says they don't like it!!

And we are back to square-one.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 04 Mar 2009, 21:19

I guess he meant dalit ragas which are those that contain 'niShadam' (which is the 'untouchable' in the svaras)

sramaswamy · Post by **sramaswamy** » 04 Mar 2009, 23:25

Hey! my number one does not figure anyone's list except in Vijay's

1) Hindolam
2) Ranjani

The rest 18 are in random order

Anandabhairavi
Ritigowlai
Mayamalvagowlai
Shubapantuvarali
Shanmugapriya
Pantuvarali
Hamsanandi
Thodi
Shankarabharanam
Kalyani
Sahana
Abhogi
Sriranjani
Nattai
kapi
Kanada
Surutti
Kiravani
Abheri

sridhar_ranga · Post by **sridhar_ranga** » 05 Mar 2009, 00:25

I can't understand the omission of Hindustani Ragas (I mean the ones often heard in carnatic concerts, albeit mostly as tukkadas) from most people's lists...inability to be elaborated as sub-main/ main may not exactly be the ragas' fault

! In my top 20 there will certainly be place for Behag, Bagesri, Madhuvanti and may be a few others.

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 05 Mar 2009, 02:33

Sridhar, do come up with your top 20!

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 05 Mar 2009, 03:26

My 20 ragas not in any specific order:

[1] SrI/lankAdahan
[2] karnATaka and hindustAni tODi
[3] karnATaka and hindustAni bhairavi
[4] karnATaka and hindustAni karaharapriyA (kAfi)
[5] Arabhi
[6] kIravani
[7] mAyAnaLavagouLa/bhairav thAt
[8] hamsAnandi
[9] varALi
[10] basant bahAr
[11] amRtavarSiNi
[12] sunAdavinOdini
[13] maNirang
[14] harikAmbhOji/khamAj
[15] yadhukulakAmbhOji
[16] mukhAri
[17] dhanyASi
[18] puSpalatikA
[19] hindOLam/mAlkauns
[20] nATTakurunji

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 05 Mar 2009, 04:18

Here's my list of 20. While I like listening to many more ragas. These are the ones I love playing.

Ritigowla
Ranjani
Saveri
Revati
Amrtavarshini
sahana
subhapantuvarali
arabhi
mukhari
kapi
mohanam
Sri
natakurinji
begada
darbar
sama
desh
dharmavati
dwijavanti
bilahari

And I don't like playing sampoorna scales!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 05 Mar 2009, 04:52

There are such rakti ragas like
MMG, Nadanamakriya, PunnagvaraLi, varaaLi, NaTa, Charukesi etc which is not liked by these elites. They are just a rubberrstamp of each other. SNOBS

I am in wrong company

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 05 Mar 2009, 09:26

I agree with Bilahari. CML, Sridhar, you are not spectators, get on the playground, fix the problems you commented on and strengthen the team

sridhar_ranga · Post by **sridhar_ranga** » 05 Mar 2009, 11:15

OK here goes VK: at times it was like pulling teeth, not knowing which ones to leave out...may be I need a top 40. I agree with the person who said how could anyone be told to pick their favourite children!

Anyway here is my top 20 list for now, in alphabetical order:

bEgaDa
behAg
bhAgESri
brindAvana sAranga
hameerkalyANi
hindOLam
kalyANi
kAmbhOji
kAnaDa
kApi
kEdAragowLa
kharaharapriya
kurinji
mOhanam
neelAmbari
SahAnA
sAranga
SenjuruTTi
varALi
yadukulakAmbhOji

The following were close contenders, some of these may climba back into the top 20 dislodging others depending on the time, place, mood, performer, etc.

aThAnA
dEvagAndhAri
khamAs
madhuvanti
nATTakurinji
reetigowLa
sAma
shanmukhapriya
Sreeranjani
tilAng

The above does not imply that I can't enjoy a very elaborate Shankarabharanam or Bhairavi or Purvikalyani or Todi or even a not so elaborate Vasanta or Saveri or Suddha Saveri or Asaveri or a very tukkada-ish sindhu bhairavi or maanD or Ranjani or .... oh my dear ragas, how am I going to look you in the eyes next time I run into any of you?

cheers

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 05 Mar 2009, 12:25

I forgot about dEvagAndAri! I have to go back and edit my list.

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 05 Mar 2009, 13:13

Sridhar I was only commenting on the logic of my own list. I did not intend to imply some sort of a binding rule.

sridhar_ranga · Post by **sridhar_ranga** » 05 Mar 2009, 13:26

Understood, Vijay.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 05 Mar 2009, 19:26

sridhar_rang wrote:.... oh my dear ragas, how am I going to look you in the eyes next time I run into any of you?

Yes, the anguish of list making!!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 05 Mar 2009, 20:21

VK
The point is not to reel out a rigamarole of ragas but to provide justification as to why. In earnest let us start a competition game. Perhaps let us divide ourselves into say 3 or 4 teams. Each team fields say 4 ragas. The team members should flourish proof as to why those ragas are the 'best'. The debate can be 'hot' but must be decent. Provide proof if possible from sources such as sangeethapriya which can be listened to and dispassionately reeviewed. The discussions can be more on the lines of RTP appreciations which we ran at sangeetham erstwhile in which Vijay was a major participant. Unfotunately I am out of commission for the next ten days to organize one for the next ten days. I am floating the idea for all of your considerations. What is exciting about 'favourite raga(s) is not the 'what' but the 'why'.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 05 Mar 2009, 20:39

cml,

Ones preferences and tastes need not follow logic - we certainly aren't robots. The emotional impact of a raga on humans varies a lot . So even if I come up with reasons as to why I like raga X more than raga Y, and you counter "but X doesnt have this technical quality that Y does. It is simple, Y is more refined. Your preference is out of whack". This still is not going convince me and go "boy! You know what? He is right. I should really be liking Y more than X!". My preferences will almost guaranteed to remain the same.

This ultimately is a popularity poll. The winner may or may not have any technical merit.

Arun

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 05 Mar 2009, 20:50

Arun
agreed. My drive is towards education. I value very much your views and analyses (likewise those of Vijay/ramakriya/vainika/.. whence I learn to appreciate the beauty of ragas hitherto unknown to me. There are many of us in the same boat! The question again is not 'winning' but an intellectual 'revelation'!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 05 Mar 2009, 21:23

CML, what you say can be done with some tweaking of the format when you get back, but in a different thread. This thread, as you said, is about the 'what' ( list ) and not 'why'.

k_pavan2 · Post by **k_pavan2** » 06 Mar 2009, 17:54

ritigowLa
kApi
nATa
tODi
kalyANi
SrI
hindoLa
behAg
mOhana
brMdAvanasAraMga
vAcaspati
aThANa
bEgaDe
dEsh
rEvati
AbhEri
raMjini
dvijAvaMti
dhanyAsi
haMsadhwani

rajumds · Post by **rajumds** » 07 Mar 2009, 13:59

Just chanced upon this blog on Todi. Since the audio on laptop is dead due to overwork, I couldn't listen to the music clips

http://punar-nava.blogspot.com/2007/02/ ... -todi.html