Korvai required - Adi: Samam+3
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To the mrudangam artistes and other mathematical geniuses of the forum can you give me a kalpana swaram korvai for 1-kalai Adi talam beginning on samam and spanning 6 avartanams then finishing 3 aksharas from samam. 195 aksharas in total - each section will be 65 aksharas.
It is for vAsudevayani in kalyAni - swarams for the line beginning 'rAga tAla".
It is for vAsudevayani in kalyAni - swarams for the line beginning 'rAga tAla".
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You could try this starting on samam:
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G , R ; - R, S ; - S, N; - G R, - R S , - S N , - g R - r S - s N - gRsnD - rSndP - sNdpm (21 + 15 + 9 + 20 = 65)
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G , M ; - M, P ; - P, D; - G M, - M P, - P D , - g M - m P - p D - gMpdP - mPdnD - pDnsn (65)
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Repeat line one again and end with sNpdn instead of sNdpm to pick up 'rAga tala' on tara shadjamam. (65)
Could be a little tough to keep the talam since 65 is an odd number to work with.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... .. .
G , R ; - R, S ; - S, N; - G R, - R S , - S N , - g R - r S - s N - gRsnD - rSndP - sNdpm (21 + 15 + 9 + 20 = 65)
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G , M ; - M, P ; - P, D; - G M, - M P, - P D , - g M - m P - p D - gMpdP - mPdnD - pDnsn (65)
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Repeat line one again and end with sNpdn instead of sNdpm to pick up 'rAga tala' on tara shadjamam. (65)
Could be a little tough to keep the talam since 65 is an odd number to work with.
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How about this?
... . . . ... . . . ... .... ... ... .. .. . .
grs G, R, S, N, D, - grs GRSND - grs grsnd - grs grsnD - rsn rsndP - snd sndpm (18 + 13 + 8 + 26 = 65)
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gmp G, M, P, D, N, - gmp GMPDN - gmp gmpdn - gmp gmpdN - mpd mpdnS - pdn pdnsr (65)
... . . . ... . . . ... .... ... ... .. .. . .
grs G, R, S, N, D, - grs GRSND - grs grsnd - grs grsnD - rsn rsndP - snd snpdn (65)
... . . . ... . . . ... .... ... ... .. .. . .
grs G, R, S, N, D, - grs GRSND - grs grsnd - grs grsnD - rsn rsndP - snd sndpm (18 + 13 + 8 + 26 = 65)
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gmp G, M, P, D, N, - gmp GMPDN - gmp gmpdn - gmp gmpdN - mpd mpdnS - pdn pdnsr (65)
... . . . ... . . . ... .... ... ... .. .. . .
grs G, R, S, N, D, - grs GRSND - grs grsnd - grs grsnD - rsn rsndP - snd snpdn (65)
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I would call this a Korvai as opposed to a generic kalapanaswara sequence because:
1. A generic sequence, even if it has a mathematical pattern does not usually run this long.
2. The same pattern started in the first line is repeated 3 times (some generic sequences maybe repeated 3 times too, but wouldn't run too long like a Korvai).
3. As a result of 1. and 2., we get a climactic effect in the kalpanaswars and we know that is the last one. Any generic kalpanaswara sequences sung earlier better not give that effect
These are not any hard-and-fast rules, but are quite commonly followed.
Yes, they are similar to mridangam korvais done during thani. Thani could get more complex, of course.
1. A generic sequence, even if it has a mathematical pattern does not usually run this long.
2. The same pattern started in the first line is repeated 3 times (some generic sequences maybe repeated 3 times too, but wouldn't run too long like a Korvai).
3. As a result of 1. and 2., we get a climactic effect in the kalpanaswars and we know that is the last one. Any generic kalpanaswara sequences sung earlier better not give that effect
These are not any hard-and-fast rules, but are quite commonly followed.
Yes, they are similar to mridangam korvais done during thani. Thani could get more complex, of course.
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Mohan... there's one korvai I learned from the tape of Sanjay's Sydney concert in 1995... remember he sang Vaasudevayani then?
"thakadhina tham, thakadhina tham, thakadhina tham, thadhiginathom thadhiginathom thadhiginathom"
Thats the simplest possible korvai for that eduppu!
tham karvai's are 2 each (half aksharam)
The korvai starts on samam, and after you sing it three times, will end on the idam (3 thalli). The count is 33 matras, so after the first time it will end 1 thalli, then after 2nd time, 2 thalli, then finally 3 thalli.
If you sing this korvai tho, it is only 3 avarthanams long. But it comes to the eduppu.. total count is 33*3=99.
"thakadhina tham, thakadhina tham, thakadhina tham, thadhiginathom thadhiginathom thadhiginathom"
Thats the simplest possible korvai for that eduppu!
tham karvai's are 2 each (half aksharam)
The korvai starts on samam, and after you sing it three times, will end on the idam (3 thalli). The count is 33 matras, so after the first time it will end 1 thalli, then after 2nd time, 2 thalli, then finally 3 thalli.
If you sing this korvai tho, it is only 3 avarthanams long. But it comes to the eduppu.. total count is 33*3=99.
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Got it. Thanks. Sankirnam. Can someone sing, record and post a hindolam kOrvai using sankirnam's pattern - for "Samaja varagamana's" "vEda sirO" eduppu (many sing this at mukkA idam)
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Here is one where I bring in Mishra, Kanda, Chathurshra and thishra Karves (each with 4, 3, 2 1 aksharas per syllable)
Start on samam with TKTKT (5 aksharas). Now you are left with 190 aksharas:
Now, mishram+kandam+chathurshram+thishram=7+5+4+3=19.
Mishram=tkdmtkt
Kandam=tktkt
Chaturshram=tkdm
thishra=tkt
The sequence goes with Mishram with each syllable spanning 4 aksharas, then 3 aksharas, 2 aksharas and 1 akshara. Similarly for Kandam, chatusram and thisram = 19*(4+3+2+1)=190 aksharas.
I will show the sequence for Mishram. The same concept follows for kandam, chathursram and thishram
TKDMTKT with 4 aksharas each (total 28): T,,,K,,,D,,,M,,,T,,,K,,,T,,,
TKDMTKT with 3 aksharas each (total 21): T,,K,,D,,M,,T,,K,,T,,
TKDMTKT with 2 aksharas each (total 14): T,K,D,M,T,K,T,
TKDMTKT with 1 aksharas each (total 7): TKDMTKT
Let me know your thoughts
Regards,
Gopal
Start on samam with TKTKT (5 aksharas). Now you are left with 190 aksharas:
Now, mishram+kandam+chathurshram+thishram=7+5+4+3=19.
Mishram=tkdmtkt
Kandam=tktkt
Chaturshram=tkdm
thishra=tkt
The sequence goes with Mishram with each syllable spanning 4 aksharas, then 3 aksharas, 2 aksharas and 1 akshara. Similarly for Kandam, chatusram and thisram = 19*(4+3+2+1)=190 aksharas.
I will show the sequence for Mishram. The same concept follows for kandam, chathursram and thishram
TKDMTKT with 4 aksharas each (total 28): T,,,K,,,D,,,M,,,T,,,K,,,T,,,
TKDMTKT with 3 aksharas each (total 21): T,,K,,D,,M,,T,,K,,T,,
TKDMTKT with 2 aksharas each (total 14): T,K,D,M,T,K,T,
TKDMTKT with 1 aksharas each (total 7): TKDMTKT
Let me know your thoughts
Regards,
Gopal