Hilarity in kutcheris

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 11 Apr 2009, 07:55

Without a doubt, Krishna Bhagavan!

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 11 Apr 2009, 08:03

ksrimech wrote:
cmlover wrote:aho! aviSha nAgarAjam |
sa daMshati mridangam |
arasinA ArAdhitaM |
punarvasu prAptaM ||
iti SrI CML racita laghu kAvyaM
yEh paTanti manujAhA sarvAn hAsyam avApnuyAth.

dhIrgam Ayurapi prApnuyAt
nO(a)tra sandEhaha
(I think it is scientifically proved that laughter prolongs ones life)-

erode14 · Post by **erode14** » 11 Apr 2009, 09:02

ha ha... balE balE... enjoyable (when explained) works by cml, punarvasu,arasi,ksrimech,jb....

if we are pun-iraNdu, having six each, aRuvaiyarasu becomes aRusuvai arasu!

I was telling about this rishi (hope its not wall-mE-key) to UKS Sir and he said, "nagaraja... adhu ennannu unakku purinjudhA... avar kaila irukkaRa key implies, the life is "verum sAvi". He added,

"verum sAvi indha life,
idhula vayarukkAga alaiyAdhEL...
en kitta vandhAchunnA, ellAm nanmaikkE"

(He sang nava siddhi petRalum and explained sAvi is not ony key but also it is padhar- the paddy which will be just a shell without a rice inside)

life is just a sAvi .
don't be wandering for udhara pOshaNam.
wire - vayar-stomach
when once you have come to me, its all for good
nanmaikkE - for good // nan - good & mike - the yellow speaker

vganesh · Post by **vganesh** » 11 Apr 2009, 09:34

For the past 3 weeks everyday as soon as I login @ rasikas, without fail I read this post. Such a wonderful readings. It is like old Chandrababu & Cho jokes; meaning with Hilarity.....

After CML Sir started joining, It is Kavi Kalidasa ... along with kavi Kalamegha(s) (Arasi & Punarvasu)

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 11 Apr 2009, 15:51

At a boy seeing girl for marriage function(pen parkum padalam), in those days when playing cassettes in houses was popular, the girl's(would be bride)father kept the song 'RA RA MA INTI played on the nagaswaram in the iape recorder, to be switched on as soon as the partystepped in to his house. Meanwhile a mischievous boy took out the cassette and placed on the reverse side without anybody's notice. As soon as the boy's party entered the house THE TAPE RECORDER WAS SWITCHED ON . The song was Antakana doodariki kinchithu dayavilla,by MLV. All of them were stunned and the girl's father feared that the proceedings would abruptly end because of ketta sakunam(bad omen). Then the boy came to the rescue of the girl's father saying 'do not bother, the marriage will go on,I am an ardent admirer of MLV. , will walk miles to hear her and let out the secret,that they have already met and discussed about the marriage. gobilalitha

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 11 Apr 2009, 21:25

Good one, GBl! Did the discerning CM fan get married to the girl he came to 'view'?

V. Ganersh,
Pannaga (painnAga) mannanE kavi pozhiyum kALamEgam--it is nAga rAjan, the king of comedy who like a the dark cloud rains poetry. kALam is also a snake, by the way!

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 12 Apr 2009, 07:05

YES, they got married, both in their fifties now. gobilalitha

erode14 · Post by **erode14** » 12 Apr 2009, 15:46

My sishya Krishna Prasad attended a concert of TNS-MC at MFAC, some years ago. The mama who sat next to him kept on pestering with various questions. At one point, when a beautiful alapana was going on, the mama asked, "enna ragam alapanai paNRAr?"

To escape from him once for all, Krishna said, "oh... idhu dhAn rAgamA" and that mama never turned to his side there after!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 13 Apr 2009, 00:04

^^^

erode14 · Post by **erode14** » 13 Apr 2009, 00:26

new year greetings - ÃƒÂ Ã‚Â®Ã‚ÂªÃƒÂ Ã‚Â¯Ã‚Â

erode14 · Post by **erode14** » 13 Apr 2009, 00:41

In general, I am totally against criticism based on caste and colour. But, this was a coincidence when a particular sms was in the "forward" lanes of mobile users!

what is the difference between rajnikanth and vijayakanth?
rajni is terribly black and vijayakanth is black and terrible.

This sms reached me in the afternoon and I played a wedding concert n the evening at triplicane. That was a marriage of some assistant director.

After my thani Avarthanam was over, the singer asked me, what to sing as a lighter piece. I suggested "kAkkai chiRaginilE".

She started singing and the guy entered the hall was none but, actor-politician Vijayakanth, that too when she was singing, "undhan karumai niRam thOnRudhadA"

I scared her (she is my best friend) for sometime saying, "he noticed what you sang and also his men looked at you!"

He came to the dias, keeping his shoulders and hands very rigid, just like sivaji ganesan takes any karpoora haarathi!

After reaching back home he wouldn't have bothered to imitate his "friend" comedian vadivelu and would have said, "nAnum evLO nEram thAn dhondhi illAdha mAdhiriyE dham katti nikkaradhu"

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 13 Apr 2009, 06:25

erode14 wrote:. when a beautiful alapana was going on, the mama asked/said, "enna ragam alapanai paNRAr?"

I would have responded "oh! ithu thaan enna rAgamA? ivLo nALA enakku theriyaama irunthathu. roMba nanRi

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 13 Apr 2009, 07:30

A famous mama with a little knowledge of music (theoritically)started giving a led-dem on the subject
of VARJAM IN SWARAS AND ITS intrinsic worth.As the lec-dem was progressing Thr famous mama's shruti went off and that too beyond bearable levels. One Rasika got irritatedand shouted "Bhagavathar vAL nrrenga En shramapaDarEL neenga ella swarathayum Varjam paNNi pAADAmale irundELna romba ucitamA irukkum"
KR

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 13 Apr 2009, 07:41

The arrival of a child in the house brings a lot of happiness. Shri Ramraj Sir, congratulations and our blessings to the newborn.
As Shri GBL SAID, happy 'VIRODHI' ( virOdhi illAda VIRODHI) TO ONE AND ALL.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 13 Apr 2009, 08:35

Happy 'vIramAga udikkum' varuDam to all!

mridhangam · Post by **mridhangam** » 13 Apr 2009, 12:45

For our Malayalee friends .. Wishu a Happy Vishu

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There was a vidwan who was very much interested in Thirukkural. A friend went to his house and this vidwan was reading a magazine. Friend asked enna magazine padikkarel ? Oh vango Ramanatha Iyer Vaal .. Naan Kalki Padichundirukken.

Ohh Padicha appuram enna pannuvel ...

Vidwan in his own inimitable style told what he will do as a Thirukkural.

"karka kasadaRa kalki padithapin
Vika pAdi vilaikke"

Iyer Vaal : ???????????

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Iyer Vaal : Anna nethikku teriyumo anda kodi veettu mama enna semathiya Emathittar ... nAn vAngi vachirunda oru nalla gold chain a thannodadu nnu sollittu eduthundu poyittAr. enakko maradi jaasthi anna. enna paNradunne teriyalai. en poNdAttiyodatha ille avar poNdAttiyodathAnnu teriyalai. Aga motham avar eduthundu poyittar ... en AthukkAri katho kathunnu kathara anna.

Vidwan : in his own inimitable Thirukkural Style ::::

"innA seidArai oruthal avar sAga
menniyai pidithu vidal"

Mannarkoil J.Balaji

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 13 Apr 2009, 17:08

Quote by TRS :Once during a lec-dem sessioin by a famous artist, Prof.TRS and Ramnad Krishnan happened to be among the audience.The artist was discussing about Raga ghaNTA. TRS refered to Sri Ramnad krishnan (who wassitting next to him, )
as to how to render the ragam correctly. Instant reply came from R.K"It is very simple, DhanyAsi rAgthai thappa pADinaley ghaNta vanduDum".

erode14 · Post by **erode14** » 14 Apr 2009, 07:16

The commas comedy happened in yesterday's concert at Raga Sudha. Bharath Sundar sang kamAs and after the alapana in violin, he felt like singing some phrases and did a sketch. Then he sang brOchEvArevarurA.

Someone asked why it happened like that. I said, "I thought he is going to sing a pallavi, then realised, he just tried to prevent full stop and did justice to the name ,,,,,,,,

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 14 Apr 2009, 09:31

Such tamAsh, NagarAj!

cienu · Post by **cienu** » 14 Apr 2009, 10:28

Wedding concerts of MS (especially in the later part of her career) were in most cases an occasion for helping a person or group of persons in need of some assistance. On most occasions the beneficiary would be asked by Sri Sadasivam to come to the concert and after the program, MS's concert amount would be directly handed over to the concerned person. It was on one such occasion after the beneficiary had left, it was discovered that the accompanying artists remuneration was also in the same cover !!

Prompting Sri V Nagarajan (Kanjira Vidwan) to say to Sri Sadasivam, " Mama , we do not do charity (dharmam) to the level which you do. So let it remain that this time we the accompanists have also participated in your noble act "

Needless to add after a round of energetic laughter from all present the accompanists too received their remuneration from the organisers!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 14 Apr 2009, 20:50

Such a nice story, Cienu. The other thread about musicians and rasikAs can benefit by this

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 15 Apr 2009, 06:41

One of the best posts on this subject. The magnanimity(well known) of MS amma is touching. Not to forget the gesture of sri .Sadasivan's remuneration to the accompanying artisis. thanks Cienu gobilalitha

mridhangam · Post by **mridhangam** » 15 Apr 2009, 11:31

Cienu, Arasi madam and Gobilalitha sir the same kind of greatness can be seen with Dr.V.V.Srivatsa. Have you ever heard paying money for the concert which you didnt play ? I was forced to receive hefty sum from him for a concert which i didnt play. I just accepted the date and due to some unavoidable circumstances the concert was cancelled which sometimes happens. To my big surprise he sent his driver to my house (which is about 10 kms from his house---> 10kms in Chennai is a pretty long distance) with a cover for the concert that got cancelled. His logic was : "If i hadnot booked you for that date at least you would have accepted another concert. so you have to accept the payment".

I was dumbstuck. Such great musicians are still around. When our Durai balasubramaniam, Violinist died in a road accident all the musicians paid huge sums for the bereaved family.

Even now we know an instance of money being raised for Shyama Shastri's descendants.

The list is endless...

JB

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 15 Apr 2009, 16:59

What a noble gesture by Dr . Srivatsa gobilalitha

gn.sn42 · Post by **gn.sn42** » 15 Apr 2009, 18:07

mridhangam wrote:Have you ever heard paying money for the concert which you didnt play ?

Yes, of course. Contractual guarantees are a standard feature in many concerts, and should be in CM. It is a reasonable, logical requirement.

Why don't CM musicians get together and establish some minimum pay scales and expected operating conditions? Reading this forum, it feels like they simply rely on goodwill on the part of organizers, other musicians, and the public - unfortunately, there are many examples where that goodwill simply isn't there.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 15 Apr 2009, 19:35

gn.sn42, I agree that if such covenants are written and signed by both parties, then the episode Mridhangam narraetes would not be much to write about. I guess the main point of this episode is the unexpected pleasant surprise.

Also, those covenants are a double-edged sword. If one is really desparate, they can agree to terms like if the concert is canceled before 48 hours there will not be any compensatory pay, within 24 hours 10%, on the day of concert 20% plus a travel allowance etc. And they can put exclusions of many kinds like act of god etc. for which they are not on the hook to pay anything.

In the absence of such things in the CM culture, the magnanimity of the host needs to be appreciated.

But your over all point is well taken: the artists need not rely on the individual host's good-nature for some basic things. I am also surprised to read about such uncertainy on how much the artists are going to get paid, it looks like they find that out only when they open the envelope.

gn.sn42 · Post by **gn.sn42** » 15 Apr 2009, 20:03

vasanthakokilam, I understand your point, and agree that goodwill where expressed should be appreciated. I'll tone down my initial response a bit.

However, I would continue to urge a more professional approach to concert organization, beginning with minimum pay and proper contracts. There can certainly be limitations and fine print with contracts, and we might need to supplement that with insurance.

Goodwill is always a welcome thing regardless of the contract specifics.

geeyes · Post by **geeyes** » 16 Apr 2009, 12:40

We can make very watertight contracts with all terms and conditions clearly laid out, but in real life variables and situations arise, which are beyond the imagination of the contract drafters.The contracts are only to ensure the spirit of what is agreed and understood to be agreed.
Goodwill and willingness to accomodate by both parties only assures a happy and enjoyable concert.
Here is an interesting story (based on hearsay so its authenticity is not known).
A top musician was invited by an organiser for a series of concerts in the US. The contract was signed and resposibilities of both the host and the performer were clearly set forth. On the D-day when the curtains were raised and the concert was to begin, the musician found that his concert was being audio and video recorded, which he felt was not part of the contract.
So he called the organisers and told them that as recording was not part of the contract, an extra amount should be paid for it. The organisers were not convinced and put the contract under a microscope and showed him a fine print which interpreted that recording was included.
This kind of breach of faith was neither expected by the concert team.
As he was bound by the contract, the musician allowed the recording, but did not want to disappoint the audience and the concert was a great success and well appreciated.
From the next concert onwards, the musician decided to get his own back. From the next concert, he chose to sing ditto whatever he had sung in the first concert.
The bewidered organisers asked for an explanation. The musician's response was that the contract did not have a clause binding him what he should sing. So he chose to sing what he wanted.As there was no breach of contract, he cannot be questioned.
So now I leave it to the members to debate whether it is the spirit or letter of agreement which are important. Also whether it can be ensured only by one party.
I do not know if the anecdote is a fact or fiction, but it is a good subject for case study

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 16 Apr 2009, 13:13

I like that story; Good for that musician

In any business in the world, if all goes well, the contract is never looked at again after the signing. It is only ever brought out when something goes wrong, and should be written accordingly. We hope for the best, but make provision for the worst.

cienu · Post by **cienu** » 16 Apr 2009, 13:43

That was a good story geeyes

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 16 Apr 2009, 16:10

Good story the musician is definitely at fault, he should not have raised a row initially with the organisers, without being fully aware of the obligations of the contract 'THIS KIND OF BREACH OF FAITH WAS NEITHER EXPECTED BY THE CONCERT TEAM' The breach of faith was by the musician gobilalitha

erode14 · Post by **erode14** » 17 Apr 2009, 01:48

Dear respected members,

Hill-airy places are meant for tea(estates). "Copy"right or coughy-write issues about, artistes-organiser-rasika wounds can be discussed in seperate threads. Think of visitors and new users, seeing the title hilarity and reading serious things like, breach of faith.

Back to topic,

(UKS Sir told this long time ago)

This was a story about a zamindar who had very less knowledge about CM, but used to arrange concerts and support musicians.

Once, he had organised a concert of an artiste from a far away city. The local vidhwan was annoyed in hearing this, like raj thakre and went to the zamindar. Somehow the local vidhwan managed to get the news that the singer from outside doesn't know pacharathna krithis. He said to zamindar that the artiste is very famous for singing pancharathnam and honourable zamin should never miss a chance to hear pancharathnam from that musician!

The day arrived., the artiste too. Zamindar requested him to sing pancharathna and made it a beloved order that he should sing that. Generally, any singer would have been got a shock on hearing this and would have run away from there. But, this man was smarter enough to realise the capacity and jnAna of the zamin. He was in a situatuion that neither he can admit the fact nor he can sing pancharathnam without knowing them and get a sApam from the divine composer. The local vidhwan, fearing that the zamindar may disclose that he only told about all these, absented himself for the concert. So, the new singer sang in bilahari, "pancharathna keerthanamu... pAdamu lEdhu... in the tune of smarasdhA mAnasa"

vganesh · Post by **vganesh** » 17 Apr 2009, 09:50

Erode Sir Thank you. I was wondering that suddenly this thread is becoming a sentimental (no disrespect to anybody please) thread and the fireworks are being stopped. You have come back agian.

This seems to be having highest number of posting also in recent times.

mridhangam · Post by **mridhangam** » 18 Apr 2009, 00:07

vganesh sir u r absolutely right. I was at fault at brining a bit of sentiment into this thread. But it was in good spirits that i did. Let us start the hilarity again. I am sorry to have digressed this thread.

JB

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 18 Apr 2009, 00:35

I thought that kaapi-right had to do with the artist's demands to be supplied with beverage!

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 18 Apr 2009, 06:14

That will become 'kuDiyurimai'; sorry nick H-
The actual meaning of the word is 'citizenship' but it can also be translated as the 'right to drink'.

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 18 Apr 2009, 17:52

I read this somewhere a long time back:

"There was a Zamorin at Calicut who was fond of music and had also a good knowledge of the art. He used to patronise deserving musicians and give them rich presents. Once a great pallavi vidwan happened to go to Calicut; the Private Secretary to the Zamorin, himself a rasika, arranged for a concert by the vidwan at the palace. The Zamorin had one weakness - he would ask the artist to give beforehand, the wording of the song he proposed to sing. When the vidwan had elaborated a raga and was about to begin the pallavi, the Zamorin made his usual demand. The vidwan got wild and shouted ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“Which fool would care about the sahitya of a pallavi?ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ and went away from the palace. The Zamorin also got angry. The Private Secretary was a tactful man; he pacified the two and arranged for a recital the next day: he had managed to get the Zamorin to waive his stipulation regarding the wording of the pallavi. The vidwan started the pallavi and elaborated it with such mastery and skill and charm that the Zamorin was highly pleased and made extra presents to the vidwan. When, the artist was about to leave the palace, the Zamorin asked him to give the wording of the pallavi at least then. The vidwan faced the Zamorin and said, ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“I am prepared to give you the sahitya on the condition that you will not get angry.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ The Zamorin agreed to the condition, and the vidwan gave him the sahitya, and immediately ran away. The Zamorin was taken aback, and got into a rage, but he could not do anything as the vidwan had in the meantime run away. The sahitya was "samÃƒâ€¦Ã‚Â«diri thavidu thinnÃƒâ€¦Ã‚Â«" meaning "the Zamorin ate the chaff", the implication being that instead of enjoying the pure art of music, the Zamorin was after the words which especially in a pallavi was as insignificant as the chaff as compared to the grain."

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 18 Apr 2009, 20:21

srkris,
Good story, but though I am not claiming sAhityam is the staff of musical expression--to call it chaff!
The zamorin (haven't heard that word before; another way of saying zamindar?) While he was being that particular, the vidvAn was simply petty!

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 18 Apr 2009, 22:16

Stories like that puzzle me.

This was, allegedly, a vocal concert, right?

If the Zamorin had ears to hear the music, he had ears to hear the words too!

Better change it to an instrumentalist...

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 19 Apr 2009, 04:00

Nick,
If all rasikAs had good ears and were all ears too, even then, but for a few vocalists, we would have trouble getting every single word that they sing. Sahitya Section , besides dealing with myriad meanings of the same word, has also another problem: not getting all the words of a song even if listened to over and over again. Lakshman and others experience this...

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 19 Apr 2009, 04:22

Thanks Arasi.

I'll re-read post #487 --- and laugh, this time!

gn.sn42 · Post by **gn.sn42** » 19 Apr 2009, 11:41

arasi wrote:srkris,
The zamorin (haven't heard that word before; another way of saying zamindar?)

Wikipedia has a good article on this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saamoothiri

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 19 Apr 2009, 12:44

arasi wrote:While he was being that particular, the vidvAn was simply petty!

Of course, but its just some kind of humourous anecdote, don't even know if it really happened.

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 19 Apr 2009, 14:33

ZAMORIN is a historical word . IT is not zamindar, It is particular to calicut region , just like a prince . hope I am correct .gobilalitha

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 19 Apr 2009, 18:04

Thank you, gn.sn and Gobilalitha.

cameo · Post by **cameo** » 22 Apr 2009, 14:22

these dialogues by shri. chembai is there at the beggining of a recorded concert.
It has his disciple Shri KJ yesudas too on the stage assisiting him.

and chembai starts:-
"ellavarum akshamarayi kelkkanam.dayavu cheythu idaykku cinema paatukal paadanemennu parayaruth.
avasanam naalu cinema paatukal dasane kondu paadikkaam"
"All of you please listen and enjoy the kutcheri with patience.Please do not request to sing film songs in the middle. At the end we will make dasan(yesudas) to sing a few of them"

erode14 · Post by **erode14** » 23 Apr 2009, 11:32

Me and my friend visited a place near thAmbaram for a concert in a private function. As we were invited for lunch itself, we had it, took rest and started getting ready in the evening!

My friend went to freshen up and returned with a "bright face". "Nagaraj, no problem, I looked for a soap and found a tooth paste only... so used it to wash my face"

"aahaa.... purpose-a maatheettayE" (changed)

"?????"

"par-pasaiyOda, purpose-aiyE maatheettayE!"

(par pasai - tooth paste)

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 23 Apr 2009, 19:23

bhEsh (brush)!

cienu · Post by **cienu** » 23 Apr 2009, 19:45

arasi wrote:bhEsh (brush)!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 23 Apr 2009, 21:40

Reminds me of an old movie song

'kaapiyile pal thEykkiRaar maappiLLay Doy
kOppayilE theeni thi^Nkiraar maappiLay Doy..'

I would add:
'pal pashayil mukam minukkuRaar bhaagavathar Doy
pappaDatthai kaDicchu noRukkuRaar pakka vaatthiyam Doy'