The Definitive Guide to be the Ultimate Carnatic Music Hypoc

newyorker · Post by **newyorker** » 19 May 2009, 02:02

The Definitive Guide to being The Ultimate Carnatic Music Hypocrite:

1. You secretly abhor Thodi but you claim to all your friends that only Thodi is the quintessence of the Carnatic genre. Further, you insist that the only exposition worth listening to is that atrocious quality LP recording of Rajaratnam Pillai in your attic.

2. You enjoy every second of the music of modern practitioners but you insist that the last good Kambhoji you heard was at this kovil cutcheri by GNB at Srirangam in 1951.

3. You are at least 86 years old.

4. You'd rather not listen to one-composition wonders like Kalanidhi and Umabharanam, but love that you know the scales of these ragams anyway. You also really dont care for all those weird vivadhis, but are proud of your knowledge of the melakarta scheme and the Katpayadi mnemonic.

5. You secretly love Hindustani music and wholeheartedly believe that North Indian musicians have the superior voice culture, but you'd rather run naked across Mylapore than admit this.

6. You cringe at the apa-swarams that manifest themselves when artists attempt brighas that don't land, but you still say 'sabash'. (Did that nicely dressed Maami in the back row hear your spontaneous cry of appreciation?)

7. You slap your thighs furiously when TNS performs kanakku just to prove to your significant other that you can keep time, although you really can't.

8. You are the self-proclaimed expert on the cutcheri format and have detailed opinions on the ragams, talams, compositions, composers, languages, enunciation, pronunciation, hairstyle, attire, acoustics, sruthi in every cutcheri you attend. Sigh! If only someone cared to listen to you.

9. You really don't understand the thaniavartanam, but you're afraid TMK might call you out if you leave or that annoying laya-buff friend of yours (Swami, who himself only learnt the mridangam for 6 months, what does he know?) might cast a disapproving glance in your direction. So you just stay put in your seat thinking about dinner plans or what you can do to make your teenage son appreciate Carnatic Music. (Clearly the pattu class and the non-stop renditions of Rajaratnam's thodi at home didn't do the trick)

10. You dont really enjoy javalis or thiruppugazhs in complicated talams and you'd much rather hear an abhang or Meera bhajan after the pallavi. After all, you can enjoy the abhang and still go to rasikas.org and lament the dilution of traditionalism, right?

appu · Post by **appu** » 19 May 2009, 02:26

New Yorker, Well said, exceptional and all so true.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 19 May 2009, 03:38

Suuuuu...perb! Some of these are real gems which we oldies cherish

(Not me! since I am an iconoclast

Even if the age does not betray them, you can always identify them when they start saying:
'andha kalatthilE..' (in those good old days..)

ha! ha!...

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 19 May 2009, 05:18

This may be true of those criticizing renditions just for the sake of it; who cannot appreciate anything other than those they heard 40+ years ago.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 19 May 2009, 05:38

Newyorker - SUPERB!

Just an addition - 'you secretly love the dueling abhangists, but would rather die a heinous death than admit it'

newyorker · Post by **newyorker** » 19 May 2009, 07:31

Glad that you all found it funny. More than singling out old people or any particular demographic of the carnatic fan base, this was sort of an ode to carnatic rasikas in general - who must be the hardest people in the world to please and can be at once demanding, loyal, neurotic, critical, analytical and knowledgeable.

As within any realm of human activity, there are characters galore - purists, snobs, traditionalists, arakorais, parochialists ... and I poke fun at them all!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 19 May 2009, 07:47

Newyorker,
Loved your piece

That eighty five year old was metaphorical of course--with a teen age son too (not metaphorical). We relics are rocking. A breath of fresh air in the forum. Let objectivity reign! Though an arai kuRai (half-baked) rasikA myself, I am not ashamed to admit it. And those who take themselves seriously and abhor humor take a back seat, please...

srinivasrgvn · Post by **srinivasrgvn** » 19 May 2009, 07:49

newyorker wrote:The Definitive Guide to being The Ultimate Carnatic Music Hypocrite:

2. You enjoy every second of the music of modern practitioners but you insist that the last good Kambhoji you heard was at this kovil cutcheri by GNB at Srirangam in 1951.

7. You slap your thighs furiously when TNS performs kanakku just to prove to your significant other that you can keep time, although you really can't.

9. You really don't understand the thaniavartanam, but you're afraid TMK might call you out if you leave or that annoying laya-buff friend of yours (Swami, who himself only learnt the mridangam for 6 months, what does he know?) might cast a disapproving glance in your direction. So you just stay put in your seat thinking about dinner plans or what you can do to make your teenage son appreciate Carnatic Music. (Clearly the pattu class and the non-stop renditions of Rajaratnam's thodi at home didn't do the trick)

10. You dont really enjoy javalis or thiruppugazhs in complicated talams and you'd much rather hear an abhang or Meera bhajan after the pallavi. After all, you can enjoy the abhang and still go to rasikas.org and lament the dilution of traditionalism, right?

Exceptional and excellent!!

srinivasrgvn · Post by **srinivasrgvn** » 19 May 2009, 07:50

With your permission, can I post this on my blog? I will definitely mention that it was 'newyorker' of rasikas.org who wrote it.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 19 May 2009, 08:31

Bravo Arasi! Let the CM Fanatics who hate humour, if they ask what this post has got to do with CM we mods can defend it unabashedly

musicfan_4201 · Post by **musicfan_4201** » 19 May 2009, 09:10

cmlover wrote:Bravo Arasi! Let the CM Fanatics who hate humour, if they ask what this post has got to do with CM we mods can defend it unabashedly

CML, U seem to be on the prowl. Why this last statement of yours. I dont see anyone yet objecting to the post. This is like taking an anticipatory bail.
U perhaps are trying to needle members to rake a controversy out here for no reason.

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 19 May 2009, 09:26

Doesn't this guide mostly help men?

rajumds · Post by **rajumds** » 19 May 2009, 09:32

CML

I am NOT musicfan_4201

newyorker · Post by **newyorker** » 19 May 2009, 09:41

With your permission, can I post this on my blog? I will definitely mention that it was 'newyorker' of rasikas.org who wrote it.

By all means ... in fact I'd prefer it if you didn't mention the source

What is your blog anyway?

srinivasrgvn · Post by **srinivasrgvn** » 19 May 2009, 09:48

Thanks newyorker.
You(All) are most welcome to visit my blog:

[url=www.typicalthinking.blogspot.com]PramÃƒâ€žÃ‚Â

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 19 May 2009, 09:50

My statement is not directed at anybody in particular except 'cm fanatics'. Didn't you guys see the smiley? But if the shoe fits wear them

I guess newyorker should collaborate with srinivasrgvn in writing the episodes! It will be great fun...

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 19 May 2009, 10:11

Srikant,
You may be right. Women take things in their stride and perhaps even have a better sense of humor. Anyway, hope there aren't any Cinderellas (or Cinderfellars without a Jerry Lewis smile) ready to try the shoe on

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 19 May 2009, 10:28

newyorker wrote:The Definitive Guide to being The Ultimate Carnatic Music Hypocrite:

1. You secretly abhor Thodi but you claim to all your friends that only Thodi is the quintessence of the Carnatic genre. Further, you insist that the only exposition worth listening to is that atrocious quality LP recording of a drunk Rajaratnam Pillai in your attic.

2. You enjoy every second of the music of modern practitioners but you insist that the last good Kambhoji you heard was at this kovil cutcheri by GNB at Srirangam in 1951.

3. You are at least 86 years old.

4. You'd rather not listen to one-composition wonders like Kalanidhi and Umabharanam, but love that you know the scales of these ragams anyway. You also really dont care for all those weird vivadhis, but are proud of your knowledge of the melakarta scheme and the Katpayadi mnemonic.

5. You secretly love Hindustani music and wholeheartedly believe that North Indian musicians have the superior voice culture, but you'd rather run naked across Mylapore than admit this.

6. You cringe at the apa-swarams that manifest themselves when artists attempt brighas that don't land, but you still say 'sabash'. (Did that nicely dressed Maami in the back row hear your spontaneous cry of appreciation?)

7. You slap your thighs furiously when TNS performs kanakku just to prove to your significant other that you can keep time, although you really can't.

8. You are the self-proclaimed expert on the cutcheri format and have detailed opinions on the ragams, talams, compositions, composers, languages, enunciation, pronunciation, hairstyle, attire, acoustics, sruthi in every cutcheri you attend. Sigh! If only someone cared to listen to you.

9. You really don't understand the thaniavartanam, but you're afraid TMK might call you out if you leave or that annoying laya-buff friend of yours (Swami, who himself only learnt the mridangam for 6 months, what does he know?) might cast a disapproving glance in your direction. So you just stay put in your seat thinking about dinner plans or what you can do to make your teenage son appreciate Carnatic Music. (Clearly the pattu class and the non-stop renditions of Rajaratnam's thodi at home didn't do the trick)

10. You dont really enjoy javalis or thiruppugazhs in complicated talams and you'd much rather hear an abhang or Meera bhajan after the pallavi. After all, you can enjoy the abhang and still go to rasikas.org and lament the dilution of traditionalism, right?

Dear sir,
I confess to being 75 years old & have learnt vocal, flute & mridangam tho' a theoretical physicist by trade. I have been an avid listener for at least 55 years. While I consider you to be funny at times & somewhat "smart-alecky" also I find in your enthusiasm you fall prey to being somewhat loose in your comments. THERE IS NO NEED TO WRITE DISPARAGINGLY ABOUT TNR. He is considered to be really great by those who know & so is the recording you have made reference to. ARE YOU IN CHARGE OF MORALS for humanity? VKV DID YOU KNOW ABOUT HIS DRINKING HABITS?

MODERATOR: I know you don't like capitals but this is the only way I know how to react to uncalled for assertions. VKV

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 19 May 2009, 10:49

Dear VKV
no need to get upset at all. newyorker indeed is not putting down TNR or being disparaging to him but only pointitng out the seniors claiming that todi has died after him and that they were the only 'divinely blessed-ones' who had the privilege of hearing him in person. You will agree that the ripe ones put down the younger generations with a superciliousness quoting their direct experience. As a shrink I know how much it hurts their psyche. We need very badly to bring in the youngsters to appreciate the wealth of CM bestowed on us by our elders without ridiculing them or putting them down . I guess the reference to 'drunk' was not used offensively by the writer but only jocularly. Indeed the finest CM was ever produced was by the drunken TNR and Mali!

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 19 May 2009, 11:01

cmlover wrote:Dear VKV
no need to get upset at all. newyorker indeed is not putting down TNR or being disparaging to him but only pointitng out the seniors claiming that todi has died after him and that they were the only 'divinely blessed-ones' who had the privilege of hearing him in person. You will agree that the ripe ones put down the younger generations with a superciliousness quoting their direct experience. As a shrink I know how much it hurts their psyche. We need very badly to bring in the youngsters to appreciate the wealth of CM bestowed on us by our elders without ridiculing them or putting them down . I guess the reference to 'drunk' was not used offensively by the writer but only jocularly. Indeed the finest CM was ever produced was by the drunken TNR and Mali!

Understand what you are saying; Nothing about any age group is Totally valid; One can make the point in a more non-offensive way to be funny or serious.....Having known & followed Mali for a number of years I can categorically say that there were only a handful of instances when he was "drunk"; On the other hand he was forced to develop a contempt for many in the audience because many of them were more interested in what he imbibed than what he played....One can say Hypochrite etc but the elevating aspects of CM are more worthy of discussion.....VKV

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 19 May 2009, 11:19

Having known & followed Mali for a number of years I can categorically say that there were only a handful of instances when he was "drunk"

I have to disagree with you on that issue. Though I was never close to Mali, having attended innumerable concerts of his I would affirm that 'there were perhaps only a handful of instances when he was NOT drunk. He openly claimed that he needed it for his creativity and I sincerely believe in that. But then it is a rare Rasika who could indeed appreciate fully the genius of Mali. I even know of Rasikas who get drunk to listen to Mali's recordings claiming that it was necessary to appreciate his 'creativity' fully and clearly!

newyorker · Post by **newyorker** » 19 May 2009, 11:26

Vkv43034, I am definitely not in charge of morals for humanity (thank goodness, otherwise humanity would be in big trouble!). There's no questioning that TNR was an outstanding artist. There's also no questioning that he had his drinking problems. Now, do I think that his personal choices tarnished his musical legacy? Absolutely not! Anyone who goes there is being merely judgemental and myopic, not to mention the fact that drinking itself is hardly a transgression of 'morals'. It's just that the vision of this hypothetical person clinging to an old LP of a thodi which may or may not have been created under the influence was simply too hilarious for me to resist.

However, I am fully aware that I tread the dangerous territory between sarcastic humor and inflammatory invective and since you've taken affront, I've removed the drunk word from my post. Is that fair enough?

vganesh · Post by **vganesh** » 19 May 2009, 11:31

Was wondering why there is no controversial discussion for a month or so

Mr.Newyorker, it takes time to understand the nuiances of CM. There are very few exceptions like U.Srinivas, Ganesh & Kumaresh. Though 86 years is too much :p you have to have some age.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 19 May 2009, 11:37

NY, I fully enjoyed your rant, especialy No. 2

(Editing out that reference definitely made it better.) The joke is on the rasikas and not the artists for a change.

srinivasargvn, as you cut and paste forum content in your blog, provide a link back to the forum thread/post.

tribute · Post by **tribute** » 19 May 2009, 11:39

vasanthakokilam wrote:NY, I fully enjoyed your rant Editing out that reference definitely made it better.

Absolutely. We can all learn to take only the good things from a wonderful article like this. The 'annapakshi' is not yet extinct!

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 19 May 2009, 11:44

newyorker · Post by **newyorker** » 19 May 2009, 11:48

Ironically NYorker has fallen into a trap of his own making by thinking of only TNR for that slot.It only shows where he himself comes from.The citadel of hypocricy with its focal point somewhere in Mylapore.The kind of folks that made a lion hearted vocalist from Madurai sit only outside the home when he came to visit and discreetly washed the space he sat with cowdung after he left.

Are you accusing me of being a racist (casteist)?

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 19 May 2009, 11:58

newyorker · Post by **newyorker** » 19 May 2009, 12:06

Coolkarni, you can be rest assured that I am fully aware of all your veiled references

If , you are willing to replace the name TNR with another name-from a list that used to get famously drunk.

I did one step better! Instead of replacing the character, I deleted the drunk word

It's unfortunate how you chose to interpret my post, especially when I didn't have any hidden agenda when I came up with TNR's name ... I chose TNR simply because he was/is famous for his thodi.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 19 May 2009, 12:20

newyorker · Post by **newyorker** » 19 May 2009, 12:35

No offense taken. Thanks for clarifying. On a public forum such as this, I'd have to be pretty naive to take offense at different people's interpretations. That said, I do understand the points you're trying to make and can see where you're coming from, and can only reiterate that I was not trying to play up that angle.

vganesh · Post by **vganesh** » 19 May 2009, 12:53

CoolJi, I was told that vidhwans drink because it is needed for their profession; specifically Nadhaswarams / flutists. It is/was accepted. I knew an incident from my village where an artist was brought to the stage in a drunk condition and he gave a superb performance for 5 hours. May be 50/60 years ago. I keep reading your posts avidly and many places you have reservations about a caste but I still feel racism exists with humans and not only with a particular caste. May be your interactions are more with that caste

( mod note: edited out the name of artist, so the thread does not become a debate on that point )

musicfan_4201 · Post by **musicfan_4201** » 19 May 2009, 13:09

vganesh wrote:CoolJi, I was told that vidhwans drink because it is needed for their profession; specifically Nadhaswarams / flutists. It is/was accepted. I knew an incident from my village where an artist was brought to the stage in a drunk condition and he gave a superb performance for 5 hours. May be 50/60 years ago. I keep reading your posts avidly and many places you have reservations about a caste but I still feel racism exists with humans and not only with a particular caste. May be your interactions are more with that caste

( mod note: edited out the name of artist, so the thread does not become a debate on that point )

Why again dig into vidwans drinking habits.
What is wrong in it.
It has nothing to do with the instruments that they play which require them to drink.
Do you think vocalists do not drink. Perhaps they do.
Are the musicians the only ones who drink. It is very personal and you and I (nor many of this forum members) are aware of the reasons why they cultivate this habit. So long the music is divine and acceptable, enjoy and ignore the rest.
FYI and newyorker, a thodi of TNR is undisputed.
Lets not rant on these silly write ups ...........

gowri narayanan · Post by **gowri narayanan** » 19 May 2009, 15:57

Coming back to the original post shall we add the following:

11. You said aloud the name of the raga but later realized that it was a mistake; you now ask your neighbour "did you notice the subtle grahabeda / swarabedha in the earlier part of the alapana"

12. Indha pallavi usually mukkal edam thalli eduthuthan kettirukken (I have heard this pallavi sung offset by three fourths beat), ivar samaththil eduthu padarare ( You utter this after making sure that the neighbours are not very knowledgeable).

13. You display your multitasking abilities by solving the crossword and periodically uttering "sabash"

14. You enjoy the lilting Neelambari or Kapi but complain that the artist should instead sing azhuththamana ragas like Bhairavi or Dhanyasi

uday_shankar · Post by **uday_shankar** » 19 May 2009, 17:11

coolkarni wrote:The grand old man , preferred not to be touched by me , in the so called golden hour , and ended up waiting for his son / relatives to help him into an ambulance - in a series of events that led to his passing away.

That is hilarious. How about the doctors and nurses ? Maybe he did end up going to a very, very low world, gently ushered by a kindly "untouchable" nurse ! Gosh, Indian culture is so rotten !

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 19 May 2009, 19:30

Coolkarni: "I , though belonging to the same brahmin caste , have been served coffee in this bastion , in separate well identified-mugs"

No more coffee in ever silver glass and davara!

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 19 May 2009, 20:05

Dear Coolkarniji,
It was refershing to read your posts bringing not only sanity but good insights.....You deserve the name COOL! VKV
Dear New yorker,
As an ex-new yorker(1963-'76) & one who has tried hard to do my bit to promote Carnatic music in N.A. I can write you how Tamil Sangam came to be- I am one of the founders of Bharathi Society- & how attitudes of certain members of communities who think they have the great "Highground" have permanently altered the fate & course of Carnatic music in N.A......Also while you might be used to what is called in a generalised fashion the Equivalent of "Trash Talk" indulged in by N.B.A. players not EVERYONE takes it in that spirit. Maybe one should state explicitly the intentions so there is no likelihood of any misunderstanding.......Your posts are interesting but I felt unbridled praise for good writing on your part might tempt you to be not sensitive to what others might feel as wrong or not too relevent......Anyway, my two cents worth. VKV

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 19 May 2009, 20:24

Dear coolkarni

I wanted to tame down VKV's outburst provoked by adjectives 'innocently' used which may be misconstrued out of context. I am equally guilty when some of my humourous missiles hit unexpected sensitive targets and sparks fly over. We still do not know to make omelettes without breaking the eggs

it is inevitable!

I am surprised this has sparked an entirely new direction in your reminiscences which is poignant and no more humourous. To quote Charles Lamb (in your style)
"satire do not look pretty upon a tomb stone"
And shall we leave the 'racism' issue out since there are many conservatives (wedded to CM) who will take cudgels at us if we open that 'Pandora's Box'. Then you (and I) will have to pay an unwilling but profound apology to maintain the sanity in this Forum. By the by with that name 'Kulkarni' you will still never make it as an insider at a 'pooNool' household or even inside the conservative CM bastion

Just recall G U Pope had to change his name to Pope Iyer (pappu iyer) to gain entrance into the sanctorum of brahmins to learn the hidden mystic secrets

Gowri narayanan

That is a pretty good follow-up. We are now moving from the 'silly to the sublime '

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 19 May 2009, 21:07

Dear cmlover,
Use of words like "outburst", "innocently" used adjectives are quite arbotrary to cover up in a defensive fashion what can be quite offensive to others. In a forum of this nature everyone is entitled & should express their views& values. No need to "arbitrate" & escalate things to whatever level you perceive them to be.....VKV

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 19 May 2009, 21:26

I agree that the unfortunate choice of that word by NY derailed the thread a bit and possibly the use of the word 'hypocrite' is too strong in the humorous context but one thing we need to keep in mind is, the satire is about the rasikas and not the artists.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 19 May 2009, 21:50

I have no axe to grind except to preserve the sanity and sanctity of this Forum. But I will never compromise on the issue of 'Freedom of Speech' as long as the discussions are decent and dignified. Again none of us are experts in the use of the English language. Hence let us avoid reading 'meaning' into words which are not intended and provoke unnecessary controversies.

Shall we move on?

appam · Post by **appam** » 19 May 2009, 22:19

new yorker
The characteristics u have mentioned of a CM hypocrite r very true and really enjoyed reading them.
please keep posting such comments and ur reviews r also simply great.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 19 May 2009, 22:24

The day cartoonists draw true to photographs, satirists will sanitize their prose to suit CM lovers (note the plural, CML!).
Yes, this forum has members from the four corners of the world. A great thing. However, interpretations abound as a result of this. It seems as though humor is not highly rated among CM fans.
Humor's role is to move from the personal to the universal. While the epics and fables teach us, humor does too. Yes, our tastes differ however, as in music. We have to accept it.
In this case, there was no intention of personal attack on the great vidvAn. The writer made it clear too. On the forum, we have had mentions of even meanness (?) on the part of revered vidvAns. While there have been no vehement responses to those, why is imbibing such a sensitive issue? Do double standards exist? Uday's expression says it well, and brings to focus the ultra-sensitivity we seem to have for certain issues. I once heard a musician say this: gin I hear clears the throat! For all the defending that goes on here about the great ones and the living legends, they are either laughing in heaven or chuckling on earth. I say heaven because with their divine gifts of music, they would not have ended up in the other place...
Yes, let us move on, let the music play on, and let those who read into every line of humorous expression go back to their listening pleasure too...

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 19 May 2009, 22:49

Were it not for Soma rasa do you think we would ever have received SAma vEda ?

Yes Arasi! I am with you; the day they ban humour from this Forum they have banned cmlover for ever!

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 20 May 2009, 01:44

Newyorker, that was quite funny! But is the 86 year old really having a teenage son?!

As for the ensuing debate, if only every rasika were an arasi!

musicfan_4201 · Post by **musicfan_4201** » 20 May 2009, 09:29

cmlover wrote:Dear coolkarni

I wanted to tame down VKV's outburst provoked by adjectives 'innocently' used which may be misconstrued out of context. I am equally guilty when some of my humourous missiles hit unexpected sensitive targets and sparks fly over. We still do not know to make omelettes without breaking the eggs it is inevitable!

I am surprised this has sparked an entirely new direction in your reminiscences which is poignant and no more humourous. To quote Charles Lamb (in your style)
"satire do not look pretty upon a tomb stone"
And shall we leave the 'racism' issue out since there are many conservatives (wedded to CM) who will take cudgels at us if we open that 'Pandora's Box'. Then you (and I) will have to pay an unwilling but profound apology to maintain the sanity in this Forum. By the by with that name 'Kulkarni' you will still never make it as an insider at a 'pooNool' household or even inside the conservative CM bastion Just recall G U Pope had to change his name to Pope Iyer (pappu iyer) to gain entrance into the sanctorum of brahmins to learn the hidden mystic secrets

The way you back track on your statements seems to be happening quite too frequent, all in the name of moderation:). Firstly there was no need for you to 'so called' taming down the outburst of another dignified member of this forum. Ideally you should have requested Newyorker to not use names of great vidwans and so called habits etc etc. Instead you step on others toes.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 20 May 2009, 10:05

There he/she relapsing again! Maybe he/she needs stronger treatment

Sorry sir/madam! I have quit practising!

sridhar_ranga · Post by **sridhar_ranga** » 20 May 2009, 11:07

cmlover wrote:We still do not know to make omelettes without breaking the eggs it is inevitable!

CML, How dare you pollute this sacred forum with a non-veg example like that?

C'mon, you are only permitted to write "We still do not know how to make rasavaangi without dicing the brinjals"

visaalam · Post by **visaalam** » 20 May 2009, 11:27

coolkarni wrote:No.
If , you are willing to replace the name TNR with another name-from a list that used to get famously drunk.
And in case you dont know those names , I reckon that you dont know much about these matters and so had no right to use TNRs name in the first place

Why are we fighting for trivial issues? What is the harm in mentioning about drinking habit of a musician, when the whole world knows about that and the habits of other past and present musicians. Drinking was part of our vedic culture - "soma paanam", "sura paanam". And it is now part of pub culture. Why take offense ? And if drinking has resulted in creativity and we have benefited from that, what is derogatory here ?

Newyorker's post should be read in lighter viein and should be left as it is.

Let us cultivate some tolerance.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 20 May 2009, 12:24