Pallavis in Concerts

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 03 May 2009, 21:44

http://sangeethapriya.org/tributes/mss/ ... y_1955.htm

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 04 May 2009, 00:15

Thanks for that link - The violinist is Sri R. K. Sriramkumar's grandfather!

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 04 May 2009, 03:10

sankirnam · Post by **sankirnam** » 08 May 2009, 09:21

Does anyone have the recording (if it exists) of Mudicondan Venkatrama Iyer's Simhanandana Tala pallavi lecdem at the music academy?

I think UKS sir also gave a lecdem on it once, dunno if a recording of that exists.

As far as other pallavis are concerned, TNS's Dharmavathi pallavi is very nice.. "Paalinchu Bangaru Kamakshi, Bhagavathi Gunavathi Dharmavathi"
(thalam is Adi khanda nadai, starts 4 counts from samam, arudhi is 10). It sounds deceptively simple...becuase of the odd karvais, it is tougher than it looks to sing correctly!

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 08 May 2009, 10:06

Famous traditional pallavis include -

GAnalOla karuNAlavAla in thodi,

Mahima teliya taramA in Sankarabharanam

ParimaLarangapathe in KAmbOji

Nelata marulu konnadira.. in Thodi

VenkataramaNa sankaTaharaNa.. Tirupathi- in Begada

perarulalan · Post by **perarulalan** » 08 May 2009, 11:29

The famous pallavi from DKP School - nenjE ninai anbE thudhi neri nil gurubaran mEl anjAdhiru nam pAvangal panjaip parandhidum AdhalAl in Jaganmohini.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 08 May 2009, 11:43

srinivasrgvn · Post by **srinivasrgvn** » 08 May 2009, 11:48

coolkarni wrote:and the famous pallavi from the TRS lecdem on demystifying pallavis
1234 , 1234 , 1234

What do you mean?? Is this lec-dem available??

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 08 May 2009, 12:11

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 08 May 2009, 12:40

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 08 May 2009, 17:30

'NagumOmu gani nE vEditE JagamElE paramAtma' is the pallavi BMK has sung..

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 09 May 2009, 08:28

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 09 May 2009, 09:16

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 11 May 2009, 00:13

Sorry, I can't identify the tala structure by listening to pallavi.. I too am terribly challenged in that discipline..

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 11 May 2009, 01:07

My take is that the Nagumomu pallavi is in
chathusra jAthi Jampa thALA,
khanda gathi,
anAgatha eduppu ( after samam )
with 'gu' of nagu falling on second beat of the laghu.

Now, for some analysis:

Two thala structures fit this pallavi based on the pulse count as well as how the sahitya is balanced on either side of the fulcrum point ( arudi ).

chathusra jAthi Jampa thALA ( 4 + 1 + 2 ), khanda gathi, anAgatha eduppu( after samam ) with 'gu' of nagu falling on second beat of the laghu.
tisra jAthi triputa thALA ( 3 + 2 + 2 ), khanda gathi, atItha eduppu( before samam ) with 'gu' of nagu falling on samam

It is hard to tell them apart without seeing the kriyas of the perfomer but the tie was broken in favor of Jampa thala based on where the mridangist finishes the song at the end. The other possible built-in clue is the relatively short kArvai after the fulcrum point possibly as a result of the anudhrutham of the jampa thala, though I am not sure if there are any such prevalent rules/pragmatics on kArvai for each of the above two thalas.

One of you laya experts, please confirm.

What an excellent laya structure! Them occasionally smearing/gliding over the arudi makes the job that much more challenging for a novice like me.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 11 May 2009, 18:35

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 25 May 2009, 09:36

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 25 May 2009, 09:53

Cool,
Do you happen to have DKP's tODi pallavi line, not so famous perhaps, but it is really poetic: mA maramum nizhalum kuyilum--unnait tudikka idu samayam--mA maramum...

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 26 May 2009, 07:55

arasi wrote:Cool,
Do you happen to have DKP's tODi pallavi line, not so famous perhaps, but it is really poetic: mA maramum nizhalum kuyilum--unnait tudikka idu samayam--mA maramum...

http://www.sangeethamshare.org/kl/13-DKJ-VVS-UKS/

here it is... but it is DKJ's version though... vvs was just fantastic.. apart from lalgudi sir playing for the likes of alathoor bros , we just cannot get a better , beautiful example of " pallavi ya vAngi vAsikkardhu "... just loved his tAnam also..i think this concert was in music academy somewhere in the early 80's.. as arasi said , beautiful pallavi.. sung in the true naina pillai tradition...

Arvind....

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 26 May 2009, 08:02

srinivasrgvn · Post by **srinivasrgvn** » 26 May 2009, 08:09

Thanks a lot, semmu86 for that excellent RTP!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 26 May 2009, 08:58

Arvind,
Thank you for bringing the old DK memories back to me! I am listening to DKJ now, in step with his sister but taking his own strides...

s_hari · Post by **s_hari** » 26 May 2009, 09:11

Arvind or anyone else - can you please explain pallavi structure? DKJ says at end that one half is tisram and other is kandam, and that DKP thought him pallavi when he was young

-hari

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 26 May 2009, 16:47

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 26 May 2009, 18:37

welcome coolji , srinivasrgvn and arasi..

s_hari wrote:Arvind or anyone else - can you please explain pallavi structure? DKJ says at end that one half is tisram and other is kandam, and that DKP thought him pallavi when he was young

-hari

Hi hari.. The basic structure is Adhi thAlam..In that the lagu part will be in tisram and the drutham part will be in khandam...to put it more simply , the first four beats of Adhi thAlam in thisra nadai and the remaining four beats will be in khanda nadai..so you must basically put Adhi thAlam thisra nadai for the first four beats and khanda chapu thAlam for the remaining 4 beats....

The pallavi eduppu is 2 aksharas afterr samam.. let me try to notate that

,,tham,thakita thathakujonu tham,,,,
tha,ka,tha,ki,ta,
thakadhimithakita

In that the "tham" in the first line will end at first druthham (ie, the beat following the long finger or more simply the fifth beat of Adhi thAlam..)

now since the kArvai after tham is 4 aksharas( ie 5 aksharas including tham) , the next line will start from the first wave of the hand since the kArvai is 5 aksharas as it will be coming to one full beat like in khhanda chApu thAlam...So , tha,ka,tha,ki,ta, will now correspond to the next two beats as they are totally 10 aksharas.. so in the remaining last line , thakadhimitha will come in the last beat and kita will overlap with the kArvai at the samam..

Hari , hope am making some sense and not confusing...

Arvind....

s_hari · Post by **s_hari** » 26 May 2009, 21:42

Arvind, your explanation makes lot of sense! Thanks for tutorial. I will listen to pallavi again and co-relate with your explanation.

-hari

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 29 May 2009, 12:23

Arvind: Thanks for the explanation of the structure. As DKJ explains, if the pUrvAnga is tisram and uttarAnga is khandam, it falls exactly like you describe.

As I was listening to it, it seemed to me that a simpler structure fits this pallavi's layam instead of this complicated mixed kaLai of tisram and khandam. It is the straight 2-Kalai Tisra Matya tala structure, 3+2+3 , It will be half eduppu after samam, with 'ma' of maramum falling on the second beat of the pUrvAnga Laghu. I am fairly confident the pUrVanga fits. uttarangA fits as well but I have not heard any tisra matya tala RTP to compare. The reason I was clued into this way of thinking is, I did not get a strong sense of such a mixed kaLai, moreover whatever minimal feel I had disappeared when they started playing in the next higher speed.

Any of you have any thoughts on such a tisra matya tala approach to this pallavi? Thanks.

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 29 May 2009, 17:17

vasanthakokilam wrote: The reason I was clued into this way of thinking is, I did not get a strong sense of such a mixed kaLai, moreover whatever minimal feel I had disappeared when they started playing in the next higher speed.

Exactly. It took me around 10-15 repeated listening to get a hold of this pallavi , let alone trikAlam . it was here that i became an even greater fan of vvs . sri.dkj would have started singing the swarAs but the way vvs sir paused him and played trikAlam was outstanding..

Avind...

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 30 May 2009, 10:41

>sri.dkj would have started singing the swarAs but the way vvs sir paused him and played trikAlam was outstanding..

Right, I caught that also. It is like VVS going, 'hold on, not yet, let me indulge in some fun'

BTW, any thoughts on my idea of fitting tisra matya to this pallavi?

perarulalan · Post by **perarulalan** » 30 May 2009, 12:05

Some insight to really unusual pallavi themes by stalwarts of CM..

http://www.sawf.org/newedit/edit08192002/musicarts1.asp

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 30 May 2009, 15:27

vasanthakokilam wrote:>sri.dkj would have started singing the swarAs but the way vvs sir paused him and played trikAlam was outstanding..

Right, I caught that also. It is like VVS going, 'hold on, not yet, let me indulge in some fun'

BTW, any thoughts on my idea of fitting tisra matya to this pallavi?

also goes to show the magnanimity and large heartedness of the vocalist in encouraging their accompanists to rise to their standards if not exceeding them.

Ya Sri.VK ... I tried reciiting this pallavi in Tisra Matya thAlam ( chatusra gathi) and this fits perfectly.. wonderful bit of info from you... On the contrary i feel that this mixed nadai patterns sometimes adds some grace and beauty to the pallavi .. One of the examples which i can say is singing Adhi thAlam tisra nadai krithis in rupaka chApu thAlam , though both the thAlams will be correct for the krithi , sometimes it can add beauty to that..

Arvind....

Enna_Solven · Post by **Enna_Solven** » 31 May 2009, 02:58

coolkarni wrote:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/u2v41gztz53/Keeravani 1.MP3
http://www.mediafire.com/file/nkmiijwjy2q/Keeravani 2.MP3

Coolji,

Could you please list the ragams in the pallavi for my education?

thanks!!

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 31 May 2009, 08:25

vs_manjunath · Post by **vs_manjunath** » 31 May 2009, 08:42

Pallavis sung by MMI

Re: Madurai Mani Iyerlink to latangi RTP

http://sangeethamshare.org/gvr/Concerts "¦ atangi.mp3

Re: Madurai Mani Iyerlink to kalyani RTP in 2 parts

http://www.mediafire.com/file/jnmiaxm2xjm
http://www.mediafire.com/file/kqzyamyj02q

Re: Madurai Mani Iyer- Kanada (accompanists unknown):
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lb2e6x

Kiravani _pallavi
http://www.sangeethamshare.org/murthy/0 "¦ Kanada.mp3

These links have been provided by bilahari/purist/gmohan.
(These RTPs were unearthed in the parallel thread on MMI. Included here for rasikas pleasure )

Enna_Solven · Post by **Enna_Solven** » 01 Jun 2009, 00:43

coolkarni wrote:You mean the ragas in the ragamalika ( or something else ? )
Sahana=Dhanyasi=Valaji=Kanada=Revathi=Sivranjini

yes, thank you!

tribute · Post by **tribute** » 01 Jun 2009, 08:46

One of my favorite pallavis include Smt.Aruna Sairam's pallavi on the Ashtalakshmi thAyArs. She starts with Madhyamavathi, I think. If there is a recording available, please tell me. Or, if you can upload it, please do so.

vs_manjunath · Post by **vs_manjunath** » 01 Jun 2009, 10:51

There must be an RTP by ARI in Kalyani with Pallavi " Tharaka Brahma Swarupini.........". This was an AIR broadcast. Any one can pl U/L for the benefit of one & all.

garavasimhala · Post by **garavasimhala** » 02 Jun 2009, 10:08

Here is a fantastic RTP from Smt.Aruna Sairam. It is in raag Shanmukhapriya. Can somebody identify the talam and the ragamalika swaras?

Actually, this is an interview & concert pieces audio by BBC. There are 2 other songs also - 'kapali karunai' in mohana raga and 'raga katha vatut kalam'. Can anybody give me details about the latter?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00knsyd

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 22 Jul 2009, 15:25

arasi wrote:Cool,
Do you happen to have DKP's tODi pallavi line, not so famous perhaps, but it is really poetic: mA maramum nizhalum kuyilum--unnait tudikka idu samayam--mA maramum...

This is an amazing pallavi.

'mA maramum nizhalum kuyilum unnai tozhuva idu nalla samayam'

adi [purvAnga in tisra gati (4 beats x 3 aksharas / beat) and uttarAnga in khanda gati (4 beats x 5 aksharas / beat) - total 12 + 20 = 32]

eDuppu - 2 aksharas after samam

mA - 2

ma - 1 ra - 1 mum - 1

ni - 1 zha - 1 lum - 1

ku - 1 yi - 1 lum [arudi] - 5

unn - 2 nai - 2

to - 2 zhu - 2 va - 2

i - 1 du - 1

nal - 1 la - 1

sa - 1 ma - 1 yam - 1

The amount of control displayed by all three artistes is just incredible. Would request a translation of the pallavi line, please...

EDIT: Did not notice Arvind's similar explanation above. Sorry for the double-post.

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 22 Jul 2009, 15:30

semmu86 wrote:
vasanthakokilam wrote:>sri.dkj would have started singing the swarAs but the way vvs sir paused him and played trikAlam was outstanding..

Right, I caught that also. It is like VVS going, 'hold on, not yet, let me indulge in some fun'

BTW, any thoughts on my idea of fitting tisra matya to this pallavi?
also goes to show the magnanimity and large heartedness of the vocalist in encouraging their accompanists to rise to their standards if not exceeding them.

Ya Sri.VK ... I tried reciiting this pallavi in Tisra Matya thAlam ( chatusra gathi) and this fits perfectly.. wonderful bit of info from you... On the contrary i feel that this mixed nadai patterns sometimes adds some grace and beauty to the pallavi .. One of the examples which i can say is singing Adhi thAlam tisra nadai krithis in rupaka chApu thAlam , though both the thAlams will be correct for the krithi , sometimes it can add beauty to that..

Arvind....

VK: tisra maTya is also very nice. However, it is not very challenging and removes the real element of complexity in this pallavi i.e. keeping the tALa aesthetically and accurately. While singing swaras one can get carried away with musical ideas and forget the naDai switch in the middle of the tALa. This pallavi is [in my opinion] far easier to execute in tisra maTya than the way Sri DKJ has handled.

s_hari · Post by **s_hari** » 22 Jul 2009, 16:15

'mA maramum nizhalum kuyilum unnai tozhuva idu nalla samayam'

Is there a DKP recording available for this pallavi?

-hari

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 22 Jul 2009, 16:27

s_hari wrote:
'mA maramum nizhalum kuyilum unnai tozhuva idu nalla samayam'
Is there a DKP recording available for this pallavi?

-hari

Not that I know of, at least...

ts · Post by ts » 22 Jul 2009, 16:36

prashant wrote:
semmu86 wrote:
vasanthakokilam wrote:>sri.dkj would have started singing the swarAs but the way vvs sir paused him and played trikAlam was outstanding..

Right, I caught that also. It is like VVS going, 'hold on, not yet, let me indulge in some fun'

BTW, any thoughts on my idea of fitting tisra matya to this pallavi?
also goes to show the magnanimity and large heartedness of the vocalist in encouraging their accompanists to rise to their standards if not exceeding them.

Ya Sri.VK ... I tried reciiting this pallavi in Tisra Matya thAlam ( chatusra gathi) and this fits perfectly.. wonderful bit of info from you... On the contrary i feel that this mixed nadai patterns sometimes adds some grace and beauty to the pallavi .. One of the examples which i can say is singing Adhi thAlam tisra nadai krithis in rupaka chApu thAlam , though both the thAlams will be correct for the krithi , sometimes it can add beauty to that..

Arvind....
VK: tisra maTya is also very nice. However, it is not very challenging and removes the real element of complexity in this pallavi i.e. keeping the tALa aesthetically and accurately. While singing swaras one can get carried away with musical ideas and forget the naDai switch in the middle of the tALa. This pallavi is [in my opinion] far easier to execute in tisra maTya than the way Sri DKJ has handled.

I have seen Vijay Siva sing this pallavi in dwi tala. Tisra/khanda nadai on right hand and maTya tala on left hand.
Mindblowing stuff... J Vaidyanathan had played an exquisite tani on that day for this pallavi.

srinivasrgvn · Post by **srinivasrgvn** » 22 Jul 2009, 16:45

Well, here is the original DKJ rendition: (Item 08(b))
http://sangeethamshare.org/kl/13-DKJ-VVS-UKS/

rajaglan · Post by **rajaglan** » 22 Jul 2009, 20:38

srinivasrgvn wrote:We all look forward to hearing the Ragam Thanam Pallavi section in a concert more than any other piece. Many of us have heard many pallavis by great masters of the past as well as artistes of the present. This thread is for sharing "GREAT" pallavis that you enjoyed in specific concerts. Let us discuss some of the most memorable pallavis ever. If a recording is available online, please mention it. Or if you can upload it, please do so!

My most favourite pallavi was that of Smt.M.S. Subbulakshmi in the Music Academy in the 1950's. I wasn't even born at that time!! I just heard a recording long ago!
The pallavi line was in the raga Begada and was as follows:
"Kailasapate, pasupate, umapate, namostute" in Adi tala. If any one can provide a recording of the same, it will be much appreciated.

I am unable to download the link. It plays or atleast trying to play and stop complaining memory problem, Any idea?
Anyone has this pallavi.

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 23 Jul 2009, 16:01

Coming to present generation pallavi, there was an outstanding RTP in Abheri by Sanjay at Raja Annamalai ManRam during last December season. Being away from music hub, most of you must have missed it. The Pallavi was

"Eppadi Paadinaro Adiar, Appadi Paada Aasai konden" a verse from Sudhanandha bharathi's composition.

I wanted to mention this in "Applause" session too. Worth listening. I rate this as the best RTP of the music season among the dozen RTPs I heard during that time.

Raagam-Abheri

http://www.sendspace.com/file/y57rah

Taanam and pallavi

http://www.sendspace.com/file/fhyqoe

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 23 Jul 2009, 20:19

ts wrote:
prashant wrote:
VK: tisra maTya is also very nice. However, it is not very challenging and removes the real element of complexity in this pallavi i.e. keeping the tALa aesthetically and accurately. While singing swaras one can get carried away with musical ideas and forget the naDai switch in the middle of the tALa. This pallavi is [in my opinion] far easier to execute in tisra maTya than the way Sri DKJ has handled.
I have seen Vijay Siva sing this pallavi in dwi tala. Tisra/khanda nadai on right hand and maTya tala on left hand.
Mindblowing stuff... J Vaidyanathan had played an exquisite tani on that day for this pallavi.

ts, hope you are not messing with me

This matya is something that resulted from my hobby of trying to fit in other thalas and sense the aesthetic difference. This is usually annoying to others. I was pleasantly surprised I got some nodding of the head from Aravind and Prashant. Now you are saying Vijaya Siva actually kept the kriyas to Matya. Oh my... Thanks for that note.

Prashant, Yes, it is far easier to keep the thala in matya for that same performance. My first reaction was, 'Isn't that a good thing?'. After some thinking, I understood the point you are making. I did not think about it from the performer's side. If chatusra matya is what they have in mind while singing the pallavi, the laya manodharma will be different and possibly simpler unless they go out of the way to introduce intricacies. Whereas if it is structured as a mixed nadai as DKJ did, then it sort of automatically guides them towards those laya intricacies and resulting aesthetics.

ts · Post by ts » 29 Jul 2009, 19:42

prashant wrote: ts, hope you are not messing with me This matya is something that resulted from my hobby of trying to fit in other thalas and sense the aesthetic difference. This is usually annoying to others. I was pleasantly surprised I got some nodding of the head from Aravind and Prashant. Now you are saying Vijaya Siva actually kept the kriyas to Matya. Oh my... Thanks for that note.

Vasanthakokilam:

Cant call it a "concert"

Sundara Rajan · Post by **Sundara Rajan** » 30 Jul 2009, 08:47

The DKP/ DKJ Thodi pallavi "mA maramum nizhalum kuyilum unnai thozhuva idhu nalla samayam" translates to : the mango tree, the shade and the cukoo, this is a good time to embrace (thazhuva ?) you. But it doesn't make much sense, unless this is part of a different song or if there is some hidden message. Can some one throw more light on the meaning ?