Sanjay Subramanyan @ SGBS, Bangalore

karthikbala · Post by **karthikbala** » 04 Aug 2009, 22:38

Sanjay Subramanyan @ SGBS, Bangalore
Nagai Muralidharan, Manargudi Eswaran, Guru Prasanna (kanjira)

Sanjay started with a Sahana varnam(Everemi bodhana), followed by Nattai (Jayajaya), Purvikalyani(Paraloka), then Shankarabharanam (Idu nalla neram), Kapi (Inta soukhya), Ahiri (Mayamma), then RTP in Nilamani.
While not in as good voice as in his fort high school performance, it was cooperative enough, allowing him fluency.
Nilamani RTP was the highlight. Satisfying alapana, tanam, pallavi about kuzhal and yazh etc. darbari kanada swaras segued into Nee Ninaindal.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 04 Aug 2009, 23:18

Did he choose the tirukkuRal line for the pallavi ? Kuzhal inidu, yAzh inidu enbar, makkaL tam mazhalai sol kELAdavar?

Thanks, Kartikbala. Hope others follow suite...

rajeevsid · Post by **rajeevsid** » 04 Aug 2009, 23:26

yes arasi it sure was the thirukural line..What followed was ithu thano thillai chidambaram in sindu bhairavi.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Â Ã‚Â²Overall a very good concert..

madhyamar · Post by **madhyamar** » 04 Aug 2009, 23:55

Saravanabava guhanae in Bhimplas is missing in the above list

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 05 Aug 2009, 04:17

Was shankarAbharaNam or kApi main? NIlamaNi is a new one for me--don't know a thing about it.

kedharam · Post by **kedharam** » 05 Aug 2009, 05:00

In the BharathiÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s composition, Chinnan chiru kiliyE, the line 'un kannil neer vazhindhal' is set to NIlAmani and the famous Madurai Somu song, 'enna kavi pADinAlum undan uLLam irangavillai innum enna shOdanaiyA murugA' by Anayampatti Adhisheshayyar is also NIlAmani. I think the song from Thillana Mohanambal, 'nalamthAnA' could be NIlAmani.

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 05 Aug 2009, 05:18

RTP in nIlamaNi? Sanjay really springs surprises! He has sung this pallavi during the Dec. 08 season in chennai I think.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 05 Aug 2009, 05:35

As far as I know Nilamani (or Neelamani) is a janya of sarasAngi and omits the gA
Arohana: S R2 M1 P D1 N3 S
Avarohana: S N3 D1 P M1 R2 S

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 05 Aug 2009, 08:30

madhyamar wrote:Saravanabava guhanae in Bhimplas is missing in the above list

was in kannaDa (the rAgaM)

Integrated songlist -

1. evarEmi bodhana - sahAna ATa tAla varNam - paTnam .S.Iyer
2. jayajaya - nAttai - KChApu - PD - S
3. paralOkasAdhanam - pUrvakalyANi - Adi - T - RS
4. idu nalla tarunam aruL seyya - sankarAbharaNam - mChApu - rAmalingaswami -RNS
5.Inta saukhyaM - kApi - Adi - T - RST
6. percussion duet
7. mAyammayani nE - Ahiri - Adi(2) - SS - O
8. SaravaNabava guhanE - adi - PS - s
9. RTP nilamaNi- 'Kuzhalinidu yAzhinidu enbAr, tam makkal mazhalai sol keLAdavar'
9.5 kalpanaswaras in kalavati,darbAri kAnaDa
10. ni ninaindal - darbAri kAnaDa
11. iduvO tillai - sindhubhairavi - GKB

the tambura artiste, srIpadarao, is a regular in many concerts in bangalore, and goes to all these concerts, and offers his services, without any expectations.

- the purvakalyAni piece was followed by some fairly interesting swarakapana rounds, often landing on the swarakSara of the pallavi (GMDs,,N Para)

- the tune of the sankarAbharaNam song was a classic misra chApu varNameTTu, sounding in parts like all those Sankarabharanam MC songs, with a pallavi tuned like 'buddhi rAdu'.

Neraval at 'maditta samaya mada-vazhakkelam mAindadu' did not have the necessary impact, though sanjay tried to emphasize certain words, and occasionally pronounce the words clearly.

there were rounds of kalpana swaras, each ending at a different note, but then latching on to 'maditta'
RGS,,maditta. rgS,,R maditta. GRGMaditta, s p S*Maditta etc.. there was a lot of smpss spSSps and the ilk.. he sang uptil the tara pancama.

- kApi AlApana had some unusual nyAsa points. MannargUdi Iswaran played brilliantly, and infused a lot of saukhyam into the krti with his meaningful strokes. swarakalpana dwelled on the two nI usage and he even sang a pN2-n3-S phrase..
swara kalpana was followed by a long and complicated three-tiered wedding cake mukthAya swaram; and iswaran, guru prassana and nagai muralidharan, were all -three, tired after they finished it succesfully..

MI and Guruprasanna played a good percussion duet.. MI played alternate passages of brisk and naya rounds..

- the short Ahiri AlApa, gave me hopes of a pallavi in the same (singing tAnam can be quite a challenge)
he sang mayammayani instead, starting at the anupallavi; at a good sedate pace... the rendition was impeccable..

The tani exodus commonly seen in bangalore was replaced by a post tani exodus (which probably isn't as bad..)

- A brisk saravanabhava guhanE and a fusillade of 3-4? swarakalpana passages followed..

- A single round AlApana of nIlamaNi, with a rAga swarupa different from the scale given by mohan, followed..
there were rgr rgp,rmr, pdn,pdnd, pd2s and all other kinds of phrases.. tAnam was brief, flamboyant..

there was no swarakalpana in nIlamaNi, and he launched into the SGPDNS kalAvati, and then into D.kanada, which led to the next song..

speechification followed, which included speakers first memories of his association with sanjay, how simple sanjay was and is.. ghow talented sanjay was and is.. How he made the speaker forget all that he had prepared to speak, by virtue of the "blue gem - nIlamaNi" references to the saukhyam of inta saukhyam.. praised Bosch for their philanthropy and for sponsoring the concert. spoke about social conscience, importance of charity etc.. the sabha head honcho then came on, and clarifed that this wasn't bosch's only charitable act.. it is only the beginning et c.
A lot of garlanding followed, and the garlander was garlanded by one of the sabha-pati-s.

Announcements of next day's concert followed.

This took a good twenty minutes.

There was another mini exodus after this (And I wondered, if they were going to leave anyway, why did they put themselves through the penance of listening to the speeches )

sanjay launched into iduvO tillai in sindhubhairavi and I left, after saying hi to braindrain.. would have liked to meet others.. the rasika who I met in vijay's marriage concert was here, and remembered my name! my apologies, sir, I can't recollect yours.. I really tried..

NM wasn't really in his element and had a couple of slips.. I found sanjay's singing cluttered and a little outlandish.. wasn't a very memorable concert..

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 05 Aug 2009, 09:05

keerthi wrote: 9. RTP nilamaNi- 'Kuzhalinidu yAzhinidu enbAr, tam makkal mazhalai sol keLAdavar'

The same pallavi line was taken up for madhuvanti RTP@ mudhra last year 2008 Dec by sanjay.

karthikbala · Post by **karthikbala** » 05 Aug 2009, 09:07

kedharam wrote:In the BharathiÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s composition, Chinnan chiru kiliyE, the line 'un kannil neer vazhindhal' is set to NIlAmani and the famous Madurai Somu song, 'enna kavi pADinAlum undan uLLam irangavillai innum enna shOdanaiyA murugA' by Anayampatti Adhisheshayyar is also NIlAmani. I think the song from Thillana Mohanambal, 'nalamthAnA' could be NIlAmani.

It is indeed Nilamani; see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFnDq8L8o48

braindrain · Post by **braindrain** » 05 Aug 2009, 09:24

keerthi wrote: sanjay launched into iduvO tillai in sindhubhairavi and I left, after saying hi to braindrain.. would have liked to meet others.. the rasika who I met in vijay's marriage concert was here, and remembered my name! my apologies, sir, I can't recollect yours.. I really tried..

You mean Hari ( s_hari) ! unpardonable

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 05 Aug 2009, 09:57

Braindrain,
So, Hari was well enough to attend the concert? Was Sappri there? What were the concluding songs?

Keerthi,
A very nice review. You were put through the 'penance' of speechification--funny!

Kartikbala,
Thank you for the clip. Now I know my 'sapphire'.
enna kavi pADinAlum, nalandAnA? Easy to remember.

gnaanam · Post by **gnaanam** » 05 Aug 2009, 11:02

The neelamani tanam was full of vibrant swaras and one should have a very good stamina to render like this. Sanjay did full justice giving all his concentration with bhava and meaningful ,Anandam, sadanandam etc which tou ches the heart and eyes becoming wet. I am not exagirating,but really it happened. God bless Sanjay.

s_hari · Post by **s_hari** » 05 Aug 2009, 11:15

Keerthi - It was me, i was sitting next to you. It was only for few minutes we met in vijay's marriage.

Arasi - i did attend the concert for 1-1/2 hour, went while shankarabharanam alapana was on, and left after tani. I had a 8.30pm meeting, which didn't take place ultimately. I was in two minds to attend or not, after reaching home, thought will attend even if for 1 hour.

Didn't meet our "mumbai visitor" - rajeevsid though. Looking forward to hear his views.

On the mukthyai swaram in kapi, all accompanists played well with anticipation. Not sure whether it was rehearsed one?

Did he announce neelamani raga name? what was pallavi tala?

-hari

rajaglan · Post by **rajaglan** » 05 Aug 2009, 16:22

For me the highlights were Kapi alapana , RTP and the mayyama (ahiri).

Intha Sowkya is a very good selction for main. He always surprises you. I have heard MMI mp3 of this song.
kaapi neraval also was missing in the concert.

The pallavi line in RTP was superb.I wanted him to do more neraval in neelamani pallavi but it was again too short.

But overall a very enjoyable concert and he never disappoints crowd. Sanjay's time management
and concert planning is very good too. Even before 2 hours in to the concert the mainpiece with thani is done.

braindrain · Post by **braindrain** » 05 Aug 2009, 16:50

It would be great if someone could give some input on Neelamani.

A search on web gives us links to Madurai Somu's ( and Aruna Sairam's) 'Enna kavi pAdinalum' and 'bhAvayE sakhi' by rudrapatnam brothers ( http://sangeethapriya.org/Downloads/rud ... lamaNI.mp3 ). Are there any other known krithis in this Raga. Or is this the first time this raga is taken for an alapana ?

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 05 Aug 2009, 18:07

Enna kavi padinalum undan manam irangavllai-Adi-Anayampatti Adishesha Iyer
Ettanai per tunburuvor attanai per-Rupaka-Periasami Tooran
Evarunnaru palinchutaku (tv)-Adi-Madurai G.S.Mani
Kannanin-Adi-D.Krishnasvami Iyengar
Mal maruganai-Adi-K.Ramaraj
Ni vandennaik-kavai taye (tv)-T/Ata-A.Govindarajan

Carnatakam · Post by **Carnatakam** » 05 Aug 2009, 18:11

The dude was like the proverbial bull in a China shop.Hopping up 3 raga alapanas,skipping quite a few sangatis in Mayamma and jumping from the RTP's last raga-malika pallavi to the next number.Sankarabaranam was pretty lack-lustre and Kapi could certainly have had a better flavour-didn't feature important good phrases you'd have found in a MMI/TVS school.

MaheshS · Post by **MaheshS** » 05 Aug 2009, 18:58

karthikbala wrote:
kedharam wrote:In the BharathiÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s composition, Chinnan chiru kiliyE, the line 'un kannil neer vazhindhal' is set to NIlAmani and the famous Madurai Somu song, 'enna kavi pADinAlum undan uLLam irangavillai innum enna shOdanaiyA murugA' by Anayampatti Adhisheshayyar is also NIlAmani. I think the song from Thillana Mohanambal, 'nalamthAnA' could be NIlAmani.
It is indeed Nilamani; see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFnDq8L8o48

<strike>Who is the lady presenting this show?</strike> God, it is / was jarring to hear.

I just read her profile, for such an artist to sing without sruthi is a bit odd ...

rajaglan · Post by **rajaglan** » 05 Aug 2009, 19:04

I thought saravanabhava guhanE was sung in kannada (and not in bhimplas). Is everyone sure ?

rajaglan · Post by **rajaglan** » 05 Aug 2009, 19:16

Just to comment on sankarabaranam: Usually sankarabaranam is a grand affair and shortening RNS will never satisfy
anyone. But the krithi was definitely new and not much heard. He could have just sung the krithi and a neraval.
I like something like Enduku pedla or thiruvadi saranam (if kamboji) , and singing 'song and neraval' will be more satisfying.
And sing more elaborate purvikalyani for submain (RS). This is more of my liking rather than suggestion.

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 05 Aug 2009, 19:37

sharavaNabhava guhanE SaNmukhanE sharaNam is in kannaDa and sharavaNabhava guhanE SaNmukhanE dayAparanE is in madhyamAvati.
There is no song ny P.Shivan in bhImpalAs with these starting words.

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 05 Aug 2009, 19:54

s-hari,
my apologies for forgetting your name.. he announced the name before the violin repartee, for nilamaNi..
It was an Adi tala pallavi.. four akSara-s after the samam?

rajaglan,
saravanabhava guhanE was in kannaDa, as i have posted..

rajaglan · Post by **rajaglan** » 05 Aug 2009, 20:20

keerthi wrote:s-hari,
my apologies for forgetting your name.. he announced the name before the violin repartee, for nilamaNi..
It was an Adi tala pallavi.. four akSara-s after the samam?

rajaglan,
saravanabhava guhanE was in kannaDa, as i have posted..

I missed that part in your post.

karthikbala · Post by **karthikbala** » 05 Aug 2009, 22:43

MaheshS wrote:
karthikbala wrote: It is indeed Nilamani; see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFnDq8L8o48
<strike>Who is the lady presenting this show?</strike> God, it is / was jarring to hear.

I just read her profile, for such an artist to sing without sruthi is a bit odd ...

I just played the clip and there is indeed an audio distortion throughout which adds a "buzz". Probably caused by bad digitisation resulting in the waveform being clipped for amplitude. While this distorts the timbre and makes it jarring, I am not sure why you refer to pitching/sruthi though. Even the mandhra stayi panchamam seems spot on, and the top notes are rendered mezza voce with ease.
I'm also not sure why you make a point of wondering about the identity of "the lady" when it is clearly mentioned on the page.

gn.sn42 · Post by **gn.sn42** » 05 Aug 2009, 23:16

"That's no lady, that's my wife!" says karthikbala (sorry, couldn't resist).

karthikbala · Post by **karthikbala** » 05 Aug 2009, 23:29

The converse is also possible nowadays, after the recent Supreme Court judgement
:p

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 06 Aug 2009, 00:07

To those of us in other country who have not kept up with the recent Supreme Court judgement, Can you tell us what it is in a few words?

karthikbala · Post by **karthikbala** » 06 Aug 2009, 00:21

Well, the Supreme Court recently invalidated Article 377, an antiquated remnant from British rule, thus decriminalising homosexuality. So, it may now (or soon) be possible for someone's wife to quite literally not be "a lady". It was really hilarious watching fundamentalists on TV protesting against this "attack on Indian culture", completely oblivious of the fact that the British foisted it on us and have since scrapped it in their country.

gn.sn42 · Post by **gn.sn42** » 06 Aug 2009, 00:47

karthikbala wrote:the Supreme Court recently invalidated Article 377, an antiquated remnant from British rule, thus decriminalising homosexuality.

I hope it does, but it hasn't yet. It simply declined to provide an interim stay of the Delhi High Court verdict which did invalidate Article 377. The Union government is expected to provide arguments in the matter before the final Supreme Court verdict. The good news is that the Union's position appears to favour scrapping 377.

To stay on topic, are there any CM compositions related to this?

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 06 Aug 2009, 01:25

Lakshman,
Is there a rAgam similar to NilamaNi in HM?

Nandagopal and others,
Chittalkar Ramachandra's first film was maNikkoDi, a tamizh movie (his southern connection). One of the songs he later set to music was 'sAri sAri rAt tEri yAd satAye'. The other one is Shankar Jaikishan's 'O basanti pavan pAgal'. They sound close to nIlamaNi.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 07 Aug 2009, 06:37

karthickbala, when I listened to it first, I did not hear any major distracting hiss. I learnt a few things from your wife's presentation of Sivaranjani and nIlamani and the differences between them. Thanks.

BTW, I am not sure if this is what Mahesh was referring to, but it was a bit different experience to listen to the carnatic sections without the background sruthi/drone. It took me a few seconds to latch on to the right sruthi.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 07 Aug 2009, 07:01

On second thoughts nIlamani (from 'un kannil neer vazhindhal' and 'enna kavi pADinAlum' ) seems to be
Arohana: S R2 M1 P D1 S
Avarohana: S D1 P M1 R2 S

it has a Sivaranjani feel to it (replace the Sivaranjani Ga with the Ma for nIlamani)

kedharam · Post by **kedharam** » 07 Aug 2009, 07:11

idu nalla tarunam aruL seyya - sankarAbharaNam - mChApu - rAmalingaswami -RNS

Who tuned this composition? There ia another rAmalingaswamiÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s composition, ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“ThAyAgi thanthaiyumAi thAngugindra deivamÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ in hamsadvani. I have heard MLV sing this one and my understanding is Sri. Kolkata. Krishnamurthi tuned it.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 07 Aug 2009, 07:14

kartikbala,
A pleasant surprise to know that you are the gentleman to the lady!

sappri · Post by **sappri** » 07 Aug 2009, 11:41

Yes - Ms Arasi - I was there for the concert

was remembering you

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 07 Aug 2009, 21:35

Sappri, thanks, my concert-mate!
(We do meet at many a concert in BengaLUru).

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 07 Aug 2009, 22:15

arasi: nIlamaNi is a relatively recent rAgA in CM and I don't think there is an equivalent in HM.
There is some discussion on nilamaNi here:
http://tfmpage.com/forum/archives/27530.ros.html

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 08 Aug 2009, 09:37

Lakshman,
Thanks. Since we do not know how Sanjay sang it, perhaps Deepsand would oblige us with some information.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 08 Aug 2009, 11:30

Carnatakam wrote:The dude was like the proverbial bull in a China shop.

Kind of like you in this forum, it appears to me!

Carnatakam · Post by **Carnatakam** » 09 Aug 2009, 21:27

Thank you,Suresh for agreeing!