Jayachamaraja Odeyar (Mysore Maharajah) - Part II

jeevarathna · Post by **jeevarathna** » 21 May 2006, 23:36

for rendering of sadAshivamupAsmahe ; sarasANgi by Prof. V. Ramarathnam

please visit:
http://mysorevramarathnam.org/Concerts/ ... maja-1985/

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 18 Jul 2006, 06:10

Today is the Maharajah's Birthday

Time to celebrate ( Reminds me of the days when this thread was in full flow.)

http://www.royalsplendourofmysore.com/v ... ra2004.htm

Sangeetha Kalanidhi M Chandrasekharan plays a krithi

http://rapidshare.de/files/26092911/sre ... r.mp3.html

Will; search for a few more tracks not represented here.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 18 Jul 2006, 07:55

a glimpse of the festival at the Palace

Lalgudi Plays a krithi of Muthiah Bhagvathar

http://rapidshare.de/files/26131169/01- ... e.DAT.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/26133172/02- ... e.MPG.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/26135255/03- ... e.MPG.html

Raja Chandra · Post by **Raja Chandra** » 18 Jul 2006, 13:28

Dear Cool,

You are amazing !

It is indeed his birthday as per Gregorian calendar (18-7-1919).

But as he was blessed to be born on the goddess chamundeswari's vardahanti , his birthday as per Indian calendar was on July 17 this year . So whether people remember or not, family remembers him or not, he is always remembered in the abode of goddess always.

To day morning I was humbled when I went in search of a statue of the maharaja which I had heard was installed a couple of years ago in the busy & dirty Kalasipalyam Bus stand. I had presumed the corporation or the state govet had commissioned the work. But when I went in search of it, I met a nonagenarian gentlemen Govindswamy Mudaliar who had from his own resources spent 10 lakhs to construct a statue of the maharaja near a temple complex of Lokamatha of which he is Darma Darshi! He did not even know today was his birthday and he was celebrating every year on 31 march on which day he had got the Statue inaugurated by some politicians! He was pleased to know and decided henceforth he will celebrate his birthday!

As i came home i saw your post. words fail me . May goddess Chamundeswari bless you great souls.

Here is another of his kRuti's : i hope it has not been discussed earlier ( DRS do not scold me if i am wrong )

http://rapidshare.de/files/26149973/vAm ... M.mp3.html

| vAmadEvaM bhAvayEhaM ||

rAga: vAgadheeshwari ; Adi tALa

|| pallavi ||

|| vAmadEvaM bhAvayEhaM||
|| vAgadheeshvareenuta padAMbOruhaM ||

|| anupallavi ||

|| vAmAMka gouree shObhitaM ||
|| vAgarthAdi pratipAditaM ||
|| sAmagAnAsaktaM sadbhakta janAbheeShTadAna nirataM satataM ||

|| charaNa ||

|| kAlAteetaM kalA prati pAditaM ||
|| kAmAreeti KyAtaM kRupAnvitaM ||
|| bAlasubrahmaNyAdi vinutaM ||
|| bhoopAla samudAya saMsEvitaM ||
|| bAlAtripura suMdaree shreevidyAmOdakaM bhavabhayaharaM ||

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 18 Jul 2006, 13:35

RC

Ella Meena kshi avara kripe

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 18 Jul 2006, 14:13

Hehehe!!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 18 Jul 2006, 22:20

Thanks coolkarni/meena

/RC

for reminding us of the memorable day!
Thanks againt to RC for making it delightful with JC's kriti as well as audio and the interesting anecdote. I am sure DRS will followup at his leisure.
Let me just add

LONG LIVE OUR DEAR HIGHNESS JC in our memory banks!

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 18 Jul 2006, 23:34

Raja Chandra, can you recollect a small makeshift teastall at the Mekhri Circle junction (near that plaque that announces the junction)? Since childhood I have seen HH's picture hanging on the wall there and whenever I passed that way, I made it a point to catch a glimpse of it.

As you aptly say, whoever remembers him or not, surely he will be in Amba's memories. Who knows, probably he might be singing krithis in Amba's presence in Shripuram.

meena · Post by **meena** » 18 Jul 2006, 23:38

Kji

THANKU SO MUCH! Awesome clips

RC

THANKU

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 20 Jul 2006, 02:09

Here is a useful link of all the kritis of HH JC (originally published
in www.forumhub.com, and the original transliteration was done by
RC) that was posted at the sangeethapriya yahoo group

http://rapidshare.de/files/26287852/JCW ... s.rtf.html

Raja Chandra · Post by **Raja Chandra** » 21 Jul 2006, 00:23

CML,

Thanks for the info.

It is stated therein:

The following kRuti's only names are available:

1. 'shree lalitE' rAga: latAMgi tALa: trishra tripuTa.
2. 'bhuvanEshvari' rAga: mArgahiMdOLa tALa: Adi
3. 'rAjarAjEshvari' rAga: hiMdOLavasaMta tALa: mishraJaMpe
4. 'dEvi shree meenAkShi' rAga:chakravAka tALa: KaMDatripuTa
5. 'shreegurudakShiNAmoorte' rAga:bhavapriya tALa: chaturashramaThya.
6. 'viMdhyAchalanivAsini' rAga:harikAMbOdi tALa: KaMDatripuTa
7. 'O jagadaMba' rAga:nArAyaNa dEshAkShi tALa: KaMDatripuTa
8. 'shree dakShiNAmoorte' rAga:saurAShTra tALa: KaMDatripuTa

But thankfully the above kRuti's have since been discuused in this thread !

After I posted the sAhitya for the 86 kRuti's at forumhub, AIR thro' its production -Sri Vidya Darshanam ( courtesy Mr. S.Krsihna Murthy ) aired all the 94 kRuti's rendered by eminent Vidwans/Vidushi's .

I understand a book is in the offing in the near future.

meena · Post by **meena** » 21 Jul 2006, 02:51

cml

the forumhub HHJW thread is:
http://forumhub.com/indcmusic/25104.15520.19.35.58.html

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 21 Jul 2006, 03:44

Thanks RC/Meena

If the AIR broadcast was different from the ones posted serially here at the Forum by Coolkarnai, I will be grateful to order a copy of the recordings if the address is known. Also pl let us know if and when the book is released. I am also hoping that our discussions here will be collected and edited into a PDF document and published by DRS (whose intellectual property it is).

regards

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 15 Aug 2006, 15:32

Lyrics of ||vAmadEvam bhAvayEham ||

rAga: vAgadhISwari ; Adi tALa

vAmadEvam bhAvayEham |
vAgadhISvarI nuta padAmbhOruham ||P||

vAmAnka gaurI SObhitam |
vAgarthAdi pratipAditam ||
sAmagAnAsaktam sadbhaktajanAbhIShTadAna niratam satatam ||AP||

kAlAtItam kalA prati pAditam |
kAmArIti khyAtam kRpAnvitam |
bAlasubrahmaNyAdi vinutam |
bhUpAla samudAya samsEvitam ||
bAlAtripurasundarI SrIvidyAmOdakam bhavabhayaharam ||C||

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 15 Aug 2006, 15:33

Notes on || vAmadEvam bhAvayEham ||
rAga: vAgadhISwari ; Adi tALa

vAmadEvam bhAvayEham- I contemplate on vAmadEva/ISvara.
vAgadhISvarI nuta padAmbhOruham- Him Whose lotus-feet are eulogised by the mistress of speech(saraswatI);

vAmAnka gaurI SObhitam- Him resplendent with gaurI seated on his left thigh;
vAk arthAdi pratipAditam- Him manifesting in the word and its meaning;

kALidAsa,s first verse in kumArasambhava is
vAgarthAviva sampR^ktau vAgartha pratipattayE |
jagataH pitarau vandE pArvatIparamESvarau ||1-1||

The meaning is "Like the vAk (speech) and artha (meaning), which are eternally joined together, so also pArvati and paramESvara are eternally joined together. I salute the parents of the world to gain knowledge of word and meaning."

sAmagAna Asaktam- Him interested in sAmagAna;
sad bhakta jana abhIShTa dAna niratam- Him engrossed in granting the wishes of his righteous devotees;satatam- ever.

kAla atItam- Him Who is beyond time(not limited by time);
kalA prati pAditam-?; kAmArai iti khyAtam- Him famous as kAmAri, the foe of manmatha;
kRpAnvitam- Him filled with kindness;
bAlasubrahmaNyAdi vinutam- Him worshipped by the young lad subrahmaNya et al;
bhUpAla samudAya samsEvitam- Him served by the group of kings and emperors on earth;
bAlA tripurasundarI SrIvidyA mOdakam- Him Who gladdens (Or derives happiness from) bAlAtripurasundarI, the grand Lady of SrIvidyA;
bhava bhaya haram- the destroyer of the fear of samsAra.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 15 Aug 2006, 23:36

kalA prati pAditam-?

pratipAdanam means restoring or giving back. And kAlA of course means dharmarAja(yama).
Hence i believe this is the reference to the restoration of the life to mArkaNDeya at the instance of vAmadEva (Siva). Or according to another puranic version kAlA himself was killed by Siva and later restored to life at the request of brahma!

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 16 Aug 2006, 00:13

RC avare,

who are the singers in the vAmadEvam clip you uploaded?

-Ramakriya

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 16 Aug 2006, 01:30

cmlover wrote:pratipAdanam means restoring or giving back.

Factually correct. But the common meaning for pratipAdita "which is taught/explained/ expounded" by.

And kAlA of course means dharmarAja(yama).Hence i believe this is the reference to the restoration of the life to mArkaNDeya at the instance of vAmadEva (Siva). Or according to another puranic version kAlA himself was killed by Siva and later restored to life at the request of brahma!

You are confusing between kalA and kAla. SO yama and mArkaNDEya wont fit in here.
kalA is a symbolic name for the number "16" (ShODaSa kalA). So kalA pratipAdita could mean "HIm who is explained by/exponded in the 16" Now the 16 could refer to the mahAShODaSIvidyA which is the SrIvidyA that is expressed in the esoteric 16 syllables. Or it vould refer to any of the other "16" groups like samskAras/upacAras etc.

And if we take the meaning of "restoring or giving back", then it could be interpreted as a reference to him giving back the sixteen kaLes to candra(moon) and making him pUrNakalAdhara , redeming him from the curse of dakSha.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 16 Aug 2006, 01:37

Sorry for confusing the hrisva and dIrga! Your last paragraph seems quite appropriate!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 16 Aug 2006, 02:37

CML
Although I gave the meaning of "rejuvenating the moon" as a possibilit, the probability of that meaning is very small. pratipAdita is almost always used in the sense of "taught/explained /expounded". The meaning of "giving back" is an "akhyAta"(unpopular) meaning and may hay be use once or few times. Iam aware that the sanskrit dictionary lists the meaning but that does not reflect the popularity or frequency of use. Just do an online search on "pratipadita" and check the usages that you come up with. All of the usages give the meaning of "explained/taught" only. Looking for the akhyAta meaning is like looking for a needle in a haystack. I did not manage to find the needle.

One other thing I would like to point out here. There are lots of sanskrit words that are used in kannaDa as well and hence the context and shades of meaning of these words are much more clear to someone knowing and using kannaDa. "pratipAdisu" is one such word. Now it is not a word used in day-to-day conversation but in literary circles and is hence not subject to the same changes in meanings and contexts that a word used by the layman is. I would be extremely reluctant to use this word to give another meaning like "giving back/restoring". Dont forget that oDeyar was a kannaDiga too.

So I go with the ShODaSAkShara interpretation.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 16 Aug 2006, 03:45

I agree to what DRS says about pratipADitam; pratipAdane is used quite commonly when one talks about
someone explaining a theory or making an idea clear.

That is not to say some very common Samskrita words, have become very common in Kannda, but with
twisted meanings! (eg: anumAna, khaMDita). But I think pratipAdita does not fall into that group.

-Ramakriya

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 16 Aug 2006, 15:08

Same meaning in telugu as well.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 16 Aug 2006, 22:32

DRS

Granting JC is a kannadiaga I must also acknowledge him as a sanskrit scholar!
The meaning given for 'pratipAdita' in Apte in order is:
1. Giving, granting, bestowing.
2. Demonstrating, proving, establishing.
3. Treating of, explaining, exponding, illustrating.
4. Effecting, accomplishing, fulfillment.
5, Causing, producing.
6. Repeated action, practice
7. Commencement.

As you agree the most popular one is 'giving/granting/bestowing'. Accordingly the expression translates to 'bestowing the kalA (16 of them)'; to whom? (to me the obvious answer is 'candra'; but your esoteric explanation is 'mahAShODashIyavidya' and both will fit) (perhaps he meant both!). Note your choice of 'expoundin/demonstrating/...' is a less frequent choice.
Apte also gives the apecial meaning for 'pratipadA = first day of the lunar fortnight' and the common meaning of 'kalA = a digit of moon (one of sixteen of them)'and it does not intrinsically signify the number 16.

I believe the caraNam line should be
bAlasubrahmaNyAdi vinutam
since we need dvitIyA everywhere!

Does the vamadeva form of Siva have a special significance in the 'dashara'?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 16 Aug 2006, 22:36

CML
I have already dealt with oDeyar being a kannaDa as well as as sankrit scholar. I dont think he looked into Apte dictionary before he composed the song.

cmlover wrote:As you agree the most popular one is 'giving/granting/bestowing'.

No I did not say this. Read my posts carefully. Lets not go round in circles. I will go with the ShODaSAkhara interpretation.

I believe the caraNam line should be
bAlasubrahmaNyAdi vinutam
since we need dvitIyA everywhere!

And thanks for pointing out the typo.

Raja Chandra · Post by **Raja Chandra** » 17 Aug 2006, 00:13

shrI rAmakriya avare,

I think the singers are vidushi sudha V murthy and vidushi B.V. Viajayalakshmi.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Aug 2006, 00:21

RajaChandra
thanks for the nice picture of vAmadEva from SrItattvanidhi.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Aug 2006, 00:22

???
Raja Chandra. Did you delete the link yourself?

Raja Chandra · Post by **Raja Chandra** » 17 Aug 2006, 00:23

atha vAmadEvamUrtidhyAnaM | shaivE kAraNAgamE-

varAkShamAlAbhayaTaMkahastaH
sarOjakiMjalkasamAnavarNaH|
trilOcanashcArucaturmuKO mAM
pAyAdudIcyAM dishi vAmadEvaH||

kanakavarNaH

Lord vAmaDEva is residing in the North direction. He is gesturing granting boons in one hand, rosary in the second, fearlessness in the third and a chisel in the fourth. He has glowing complexion like that of the petals of lotus. He has beutiful four faces and three eyes in each of them. My such vAmadEva protect me. (golden colour)

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 17 Aug 2006, 00:25

http://i8.tinypic.com/24q3ghs.jpg

The post said "deleted". So I removed it. Too late to recover, but fortunately the image was there, and here it is.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Aug 2006, 00:25

LOL. Too many cooks spoil the broth

Raja Chandra · Post by **Raja Chandra** » 17 Aug 2006, 00:32

CML,

I do not think there is any special significance of vAmadEva assocaited with dasara.

as for as pratipAdita ,we kannidagas associate with the second definition you have listed

i.e Demonstrating, proving, establishing.

Raja Chandra · Post by **Raja Chandra** » 17 Aug 2006, 00:33

DRs,
sorry for the confusion, i was leraning how to post an image !!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Aug 2006, 00:34

O Alls well that ends well.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Aug 2006, 01:07

Dear o dear! The meaning is staring at my face all the time and I am searching for all exotic explanations. The simplest meaning of kalApratipAditam is "Him Who is expounded/expained by/in all the art forms(64)". n a roundabout way, it can also mean "Him who taught all the 64 arts".

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 17 Aug 2006, 01:07

RC,
A truly magnetic image.
Thanks for sharing!
Is this the vAmadEva referred to by MD? ('vasiSTa vAmadEvAdi vandita...')....
Is vAmadEva a form of Siva?
And can 'rudrAkSam' replace the 'rosary'?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Aug 2006, 01:15

[quote="rshankar""]Is this the vAmadEva referred to by MD? ('vasiSTa vAmadEvAdi vandita...')....[/quote]
That vAmadEva is different. It is also name of a RShi. Compare with

"vAmadEva vyAsa SukAdi vandita" in "sadASivam upAsmahE" in SankarABharaNa.

Is vAmadEva a form of Siva?

Yes. One of the meaning so "vAma" is beautiful or charming. SO he is the "Charming Lord". vAmadEva is also the name of one of ISvara's five face.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 17 Aug 2006, 01:22

Thanks RC!
I noticed your description has four faces, whereas the wikipedia description is five faced,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vamadeva
There wa also a sage with that name who is the one referred to by Shankar!

DRS

No doubt the generic explanation of all 'arts' being expounded by Siva will fit! There must be some puranic reference too like that of the Siva sUtra in the shaiva Agamas!

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 17 Aug 2006, 01:35

DRS/CML,
Makes sense that he was a riSI/sage - given that he was considered on par with vasiSTa

BTW, doesn't vAma also mean the left side (like in 'vAmAngE girirAja rAja tanayA')?

Ravi

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 17 Aug 2006, 01:41

vAma has six major groups of meaninga including left/lovely/short/wicked/opposite...
And vAmA ia a lovely woman as well as gauri/LakShmi/Sarasvati!

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 17 Aug 2006, 02:16

RC
Thanks

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Aug 2006, 03:19

vAgadhISvari is the 34th sampUrNa mELa. Its swaras are

SR3G3M1PD2N2S* | S*NDPMGRS ||

It is a pleasing rAga that gives rise to SAntarasa. R.R.Keshavamurthy mentions that G, D and N are the jIva and nyAsa swaras. The RShabha has to be used repeatedly to nicely bring out the rAga bhAva. tyAgarAja's "paramAtmuDu velige" is very well-known. And there is also "vANi vAgadhISvari" (Is that GNB's?). Its asampUrNa equivalent is bhOgacchAyAnATa.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 17 Aug 2006, 03:38

There is also a nice composition of Dr BMK "praNamAmyahaM srI pAMkEruhAsanAm" in vAgadhISvari.

On an unrelated note, do the Kannada readers here (DRS, RC, Coolkarni, arasi....) notice that the
dIrgha symbol is missing in the shlOka in the manuscript of srItattvanidhi ( eg in dEva, sarOja etc)

on udIchyAm, an extension to the "guNisu" is seen as in current Telugu script. But on the Es and Os
it is completely missing. If you have something to share on this please post your thoughts.

-Ramakriya

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Aug 2006, 03:53

ramakriya wrote:On an unrelated note, do the Kannada readers here (DRS, RC, Coolkarni, arasi....) notice that the dIrgha symbol is missing in the shlOka in the manuscript of srItattvanidhi ( eg in dEva, sarOja etc)

Ramakriya
This is quite common in olden day texts. As there is only one E and O in sanskrit, it does not matter how you write. It can be read only in one way. And omiting the dIrgha symbols saves time and ink.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Aug 2006, 04:06

cmlover wrote:Thanks RC
I noticed your description has four faces, whereas the wikipedia description is five faced

CML.
The wikipedia article does not say vAmadEva is 5-faced. It only mentions "vAmadEva" as the face on the right-hand side in a 5-faced linga.. And we all know that vAmadEva is the name of one of the 5 faces of ISvara.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 17 Aug 2006, 06:42

ramakriya,
As in music, I am happy to be a mere rasikA of kannaDa. I am nearly unlettered in the language and read and write with effort. I don't belong in your list of the learned! I got into trouble with 'my fertile imagination' once with mixing up gods and ear ornaments. Ask DRS!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Aug 2006, 06:45

Arasi
"fertile imagination" often yields fantastic fruits

On a serious note. Please post your thoughts. Its a pleasure to read them.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Aug 2006, 07:01

Here Iam posting 2 kRtis from AIR series. These have already been discussed but the clips posted by RC were different (IIRC)

kShIrasAgaraSayana- mAyA mALavagauLa

http://www.rogepost.com/dn/rwty/kShIras ... oDeyar.wma

kamalAmbikE mAmava sadA- nATa

http://www.rogepost.com/dn/v8gr/kamalAm ... oDeyar.wma

The details I have enetered into the clip itself.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Aug 2006, 07:07

And I have uploaded a better verison(In terms of clarity) of vijayatAm SrI in viSvambhari.

http://www.rogepost.com/dn/z3p7/vijayat ... oDeyar.wma

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 17 Aug 2006, 07:08

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Aug 2006, 07:13

Could we have elaborate recordings of vAgadhISvari please.