Can Someone update about TM Krishna s Concert at Music Acade

santosh · Post by **santosh** » 28 Dec 2009, 09:18

it would be really helpful if rasikas write reviews of TMK s academy concert since i was not able to attend and m sure many would like to know about this concert.Thank you

rajaglan · Post by **rajaglan** » 28 Dec 2009, 09:48

hi Santosh,
He seems to have sung Naatakurinchi RTP at MA (found from a speculation thread in general category). Not sure of the entire song list.

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 28 Dec 2009, 12:51

T.M.Krishna
Karaikudi Mani
Mysore Nagaraj
Bangalore Amrit-Kanjira

Iyappan avadharita-Karaharapriya-P.Sivan (Fast swaram in "Iyappan"

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 28 Dec 2009, 12:54

grsastrigal wrote: Main-Brindavani-Soundararajam Ashraye- Brindavani-MD

GRS
There is a difference between brindAvana sAranGa and brindavani, this md wow krithi is in brindavana sArangA

ganeshkant · Post by **ganeshkant** » 28 Dec 2009, 13:18

GRS,

More or less I go with you; even I felt the same thing about the concert.

TMK's singing was flamboyant sans depth IMO.Both BS & NK fail 2 make any impact.

He sang Eppa Varuvaro in Jonpuri which was really good and bhava laden.
Next he sang a song whose tune is similar to Anandam Anandam in Useni.
Mangalam in Sankarabharanam song of Bhadracala Ramadasar (?). I've heard this sung by Dr.BMK.

But the crowd was euphoric.

TMK is a mass hero.What if U & I don't like his concert !

sudarsam · Post by **sudarsam** » 28 Dec 2009, 14:18

It was in Mukhari = Balakrishnam Kalaya Sakhi Sundaram- I think by Narayana theertha

Rasika911 · Post by **Rasika911** » 28 Dec 2009, 14:38

[quote="grsastrigal"]
Before attending TMK, I had attended Sikkil GurucharanÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s 2 hours and 15 min concert in Brahma Gana Sabha. His Tyagaraja Kriti in Rama Manohari and TooranÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s "Punniyam oru Koti"

rajaglan · Post by **rajaglan** » 28 Dec 2009, 15:25

GS,

I havenot read much here of Sikkil Gurucharan here after the malayamarutham RTP .
Is Ramamanohari same as ramapriya. what is the song..

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 28 Dec 2009, 15:44

rajeshnat- I thought so. But TMK mentioned that it is Brindavani in MD and it is Brind.saranga in general. Actually, it was not sounding B.saranga. I found it very difficult to guess the raga untill he spelt it

Rasika 911- I agree with you. It was my opinion.

Rgplan- It was "Seetha manohara" in Ramamanohari in Thyagaraja. I thought it was Vachaspathi when he was rendering the raga. He clarified at the end..

shanks17 · Post by **shanks17** » 28 Dec 2009, 15:47

I totally agree with GRS and Ganeshkant's comments above. It was a disappointing performance at Academy yday ,looked like he was playing more to the gallery )))

quark_n_jaguar · Post by **quark_n_jaguar** » 28 Dec 2009, 17:35

Totally agree - it was a violent concert.

I went through some pain to get the tickets, was looking forward to it, and was horribly disappointed.

I think T.M. Krishna is going the way of Aruna Sairam. Likely this was a conscious choice to get the audience worked up. His voice was so deep, and listening to the concert, he seems capable of much better things. I hope that he starts thinking more long term, and focusses more on the music.

Also, can anyone even elaborate a ragam like Natakurinji to this length without avoiding repetition? What was the reason for that choice?

sbala · Post by **sbala** » 28 Dec 2009, 17:52

@rasika911- Everyone here is expressing his/her opinion. Only the songlist is a fact.

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 28 Dec 2009, 19:05

With great difficuIty I could be able to secure a ticket only for the LCD Mini hall. With high hopes I attended the concerts. Though the concert was nice I want to stress few points as listed below.
TMK's concert as usual followed his signature pattern of energy and briskness. He started off with SSI 's famous piece 'Appan avadharitha' [ papanasam sivan] Right from the get go TMK's focus was on elaborate and bullet train like swaras and kalpanas. While he mesmerised the audience who routinely interrupted with with their appreciation of comments by clapping, TMK's bullet express came at a cost of melody synod . As TMK evolves in his musical career he needs to better balance melody with energy. At his non stop swara prasthara cause occasional head ache to some of his ardent rasikas too.
Specials Kudos to Mysore Nagaraj for his outstanding performance in keeping with TMK's electrifying swaras.
Guru Karaikudi mani was at his usual best while he was not tinkering with Mirudngam. on stage.

Thanjavooran

rajaglan · Post by **rajaglan** » 28 Dec 2009, 19:51

quark_n_jaguar wrote:Totally agree - it was a violent concert.

I went through some pain to get the tickets, was looking forward to it, and was horribly disappointed.

I think T.M. Krishna is going the way of Aruna Sairam. Likely this was a conscious choice to get the audience worked up. His voice was so deep, and listening to the concert, he seems capable of much better things. I hope that he starts thinking more long term, and focusses more on the music.

Also, can anyone even elaborate a ragam like Natakurinji to this length without avoiding repetition? What was the reason for that choice?

A vintage lalgudi solo naatakurinchi RTP with just four raga in ragamalika runs for both sides of the cassette.
So I guess there is no dearth of patterns in a raga like this for an hour.

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 28 Dec 2009, 21:08

Quark, almost all the stalwarts have performed very elaborate RTPs in nATTaikurinji - it is a raga with a lot of scope in all octaves. It is especially suited for thanam singing, too.

nightingale · Post by **nightingale** » 28 Dec 2009, 23:35

Repetetive phrases in alapana, just mightily filled up neraval passages, over stuffed swara prastharas, are what mark TMK's concert.

So much sound and fury !! ,sans subtlety and melody, the audience were lashed out with the ferocity , din and noise. !!

The Violinist was scratching the violin almost till it bled ! Nattakurinji would have cried her heart out if she were to come alive, but then where was she given a chance to do so !!!

The only saving grace of the concert came from Karaikudi Mani and Bangalore Amrit, giving some masterly strokes, though they had no option but to but to participate in the noisy affair !!

Ramasubramanian M.K · Post by **Ramasubramanian M.K** » 29 Dec 2009, 00:05

I agree with nightingale,sbala et al- I was disappointed not because TMK "flouted" my age-old convention re; concert structure but because he was so loud and theatrical totally bereft of svanubhavam. Mysore nagaraj likewise has prodigious talent but must restrain himself from joining the frenzy that TMK provokes these days!!

nightingale · Post by **nightingale** » 29 Dec 2009, 00:17

sbala : hopefully songlist is still a fact !!! , but then opinions are not Fiction !!! they stem out of a factual reality as experienced and observed by the person who is making it.

We can only provide opinions as rasikas and that is what all of us here are doing. Opinions can differ, as many as there are people and likes and dislikes !

Nobody is bound to also give only generally likeable opinions. What we should NOT be doing is being " slanderous" and "abusive " about anybody.

One more to add : about the Taanam syllables.

Past masters have time and again said it should sound like " anandam, anantam ", which is the state of the Supreme Being !!

Yesterday we heard, " thaghu thagu dhaghu, dhagunam, domsam etc " . It was like hearing "dahanam and dvamsam" a multiple number of times. Should this how it should be?

Rasika911 · Post by **Rasika911** » 29 Dec 2009, 07:12

sbala wrote:@rasika911- Everyone here is expressing his/her opinion. Only the songlist is a fact.

I just felt that the comparison was not necessary.

MV · Post by MV » 29 Dec 2009, 09:00

TMK is a great musician. He is definitely at his peak and is obviously experimenting. Just like Newton or Einstein, the world only gains by such experiments. I wish TMK well on his musical journey.

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 29 Dec 2009, 09:23

Yesterday we heard, " thaghu thagu dhaghu, dhagunam, domsam etc "

domsam?

He sings "nagutha" in his tanam, I think "gu" is his replacement for the "m", which is a nasal sound.

sbala · Post by **sbala** » 29 Dec 2009, 09:51

@nightingale - I completely support rasikas expressing their opinions in this forum. In my mind, thats what this forum is all about. It's definitely not a place to "learn" CM. There are better options for that. It is a mistake to think of this forum as anything more than a carnatic discussion forum. However, it does seem that there is a Sanjay and TMK cult that doesn't tolerate even the slightest of criticisms of their idols. I like Sanjay and TMK but I'm becoming disenchanted with their fans.

rajaglan · Post by **rajaglan** » 29 Dec 2009, 12:28

I would definitely like this kind of song list.
An SSI popularised kriti like Iyappan avadharitha...his brisk start style.
Fast faced swara all along with his characteristic neat swara buildup...I rate TMK as number one in the current circuit who excel in swara. And no experiments in main and RTP. A not so aften heard main in brindavani and not so often heard raga (from TMK) for RTP. And a great set of accompanyist.

But on the presenationwise, he choose to play to the mass. I am sure if the crowd is not so much, he would change his style of
kucheri and play to knowledgable rasikas. There are compulsions on artist when they see the crowd. And he probably proved a point that, delivering CM songs within the structure of CM (main and RTP and swaras and neravals) , one can still keep the crowd/mass. (without singing well known tukkadas, bhajan or abhang which usually many of our women artist use to keep the crowd, or a standard & solid post tani package of MMI or MSS or Maharajapuram, or hariharsanam of Jesudas) .

Taanam syllables... MMI used unconventional sylables in alapana...some likes it and some does not like it. But not to miss the melody.

Anyway in the process of knowing the complete list (or to find the -only facts- ...) , there was a mention of a mukari krithi.. ? was this the slow rendition. When was it sung.

janya · Post by **janya** » 29 Dec 2009, 15:28

I want to echo Nightingale & ThanjavooranÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s sentiments.... TMKÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s Music Academy duel was one bloody affair. TMK screamed out unnaturally elongated swara prastharas right from the get-go. While the hall was jam-packed, there was one noticeable absentee - Ms. Melody.

His RTP in Natakurunji was injustice to the raga"¦ lesser said the better. The percussionists tried to make it up (Nagraj and Mani were outstanding just keeping up with Krishna's energy).

In all, a sub-par (trending to ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“poorÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ even..) performance on a TMK-scale. Mass hero-ship aside, TMK should seriously re-consider inviting Ms. Melody to his concerts.

Janya.

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 29 Dec 2009, 15:41

Few observations.

I was sitting next to TMK's wife and their kids. Half way through, they got up and went out and never returned. Hope they did not go in protest !!!

Two more persons would be unhappy on that day. When I came out of the side entrance, two cars were being tyre-locked by Police for parking outside the venue and in "no parking" area !!!!

Rasika911 · Post by **Rasika911** » 29 Dec 2009, 20:31

Nice to see some balanced views

DhwaniB · Post by **DhwaniB** » 30 Dec 2009, 08:56

Yes...TMK is a mass hero indeed...and very true..balanced views make interesting debate. Slander and mudslinging take away the actual essence and it becomes a coterie formation. The observations and expressions should add value to the knowledge of the rasikas and not dilute the attention.

ganeshkant · Post by **ganeshkant** » 30 Dec 2009, 14:24

T M K is YOUNG,TALENTED AND CHARISMATIC.

I can empathize with him when I introspect a bit . When U C a crowd like that its difficult to control urself unless U R a bit spiritual in nature .

There was no dearth of melody from T M K even when he touched Ni in upper octave.

Rather Nagaraj's playing had everything but melody.

T M K is capable of giving the best and he will I strongly believe.

Rasika911 · Post by **Rasika911** » 30 Dec 2009, 17:39

shanks17 wrote:I totally agree with GRS and Ganeshkant's comments above. It was a disappointing performance at Academy yday ,looked like he was playing more to the gallery )))

This sounds funny but i dont know what the gallery is

Can someone please explain the meaning of the word and what its supposed to mean in this context

Also saw a picture on the hindu and noted some artists in the audience including tm krishnas guru seetharama sharma.

balusatya · Post by **balusatya** » 30 Dec 2009, 22:25

"Specials Kudos to Mysore Nagaraj for his outstanding performance in keeping with TMK's electrifying ."
I felt violin sound was too harsh throughout.In his violin(duet) concert he was better/moderated.

balusatya · Post by **balusatya** » 30 Dec 2009, 23:01

Should he be so much vigorous (I may not call it violent ) - one is led to think he may not require a mike? He should conserve his energy for a promising future ahead given the full credit for his uzaippu,asurasadagam and vidwat besides humility in learning difficult things.

Wannabe · Post by **Wannabe** » 31 Dec 2009, 08:45

"grsastrigal
I was sitting next to TMK's wife and their kids. Half way through, they got up and went out and never returned. Hope they did not go in protest !!!"

The entire family including TMKÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s mother were there for the entire concert. They were seated in the extra chairs on the aisle, uncomfortable as they are. Obviously, they did not want to return to their original seats since it will attract attention and disturb rasikas. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the music. But to post oneÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s conjectures as fact is not done.

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 31 Dec 2009, 19:33

Wannabe- It is a comment to be taken in the lighter sense. I hope the car owners (whose car was tyre-locked by police for wrong-parking-my other comment) did not file a case against me for making fun of their woes.
Iam sorry if I have hurt any one. It was 100% "Real" fun.

againstattentionseeking · Post by **againstattentionseeking** » 01 Jan 2010, 00:59

Quite suprised .People in rasika forum do write against TMK's ------ performance! lets wait and see what our so called legend is gonna yell in his website .. while rendering nattaikurinji .I heard that he was literally yelling.Clap clap clap .This was the reaction from all his family members. students and her beloved rasikas .

Wannabe · Post by **Wannabe** » 01 Jan 2010, 06:22

grsastrigal wrote:Wannabe- It is a comment to be taken in the lighter sense. I hope the car owners (whose car was tyre-locked by police for wrong-parking-my other comment) did not file a case against me for making fun of their woes.
Iam sorry if I have hurt any one. It was 100% "Real" fun.

Good to know you were just amusing yourself. In the context of all your other posts in this thread, it is also possible to interpret that even potshots at an artiste's family is ok to support one's claim to be a CM expert.
Wish you a fun-filled 2010!

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 01 Jan 2010, 11:34

I have completed listening to the famous Nattaikurinji RTP of GN Sir . What bliss I am experiencing.That is what music must do,it should elevate the listener to a higher plane of bliss.After reading the review here it appears that it would do a world of good if he plans his concert and sing rahter then saying that he sings spontaneously and gets such stinging reviews Bye Ragjay

Rasika911 · Post by **Rasika911** » 01 Jan 2010, 11:38

Ragjay wrote:I have completed listening to the famous Nattaikurinji RTP of GN Sir . What bliss I am experiencing.That is what music must do,it should elevate the listener to a higher plane of bliss.After reading the review here it appears that it would do a world of good if he plans his concert and sing rahter then saying that he sings spontaneously and gets such stinging reviews Bye Ragjay

Please share this pallavi with us if permitted. thanks

sakthi.balan · Post by **sakthi.balan** » 01 Jan 2010, 15:24

Sorry...May I know who is GN sir?

Sathej · Post by **Sathej** » 01 Jan 2010, 15:54

sakthi.balan wrote:Sorry...May I know who is GN sir?

The reference is to Shri GN Balasubramaniam..

Sathej

sakthi.balan · Post by **sakthi.balan** » 01 Jan 2010, 16:10

Thanks Sathej!

Sivaramakrishnan · Post by **Sivaramakrishnan** » 02 Jan 2010, 09:18

Those who did not attend the Music Academy's open forum (8.30 -10 a.m. on New Year day @ Katuri Srinivasan Hall) missed to see T M Krishna in a new Avatar offering some solid suggestions to the expert committee of the Academy for making the lecdem series more effective. The Superstar was quite assertive, if not aggressive in this forum too! Watch out for The Hindu review columns - I'm sure they'll carry it.

TMK scored in his count also and I wish the other front rankers too attend the MA session. They are losing out heavily, if not.

I recommend rasika-s to make it a point to attend the open forum which gives an excellent opportunity to interact with the kalanidhi-s / e.c.members and offer your suggestions. Mind you, this is the only opportunity to have an audience with the powers that be of the MA.

But you may miss the first one hour of the morning concert at the Main Hall. Thus I lost 1 hour of Shashank yesterday!

bhavarasa · Post by **bhavarasa** » 05 Jan 2010, 22:26

Here's the URL to the review in "The Hindu":

http://beta.thehindu.com/arts/music/article75118.ece

I like the comment, "showcasing himself rather than Nattaikurinji"