Korvai question

rananthga · Post by **rananthga** » 25 Jan 2010, 19:04

For aadhi talam - 2 kalai, how can we play a korvai - which has 2 times chaturasrams and 1 time thisram and this comes to 4 beats after samam?

Can someone suggest how to break up the korvai, so this can be accomplished?

Thanks

rananthga · Post by **rananthga** » 25 Jan 2010, 19:05

Oh, forgot one more thing- the korvai should start from samam, but after 3 times, it comes to 4 beats after samam.

Thanks

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 25 Jan 2010, 21:29

rananthga, I am not a mridagamist but based on what I learnt in this forum, did some quick arithmetic on 196 and came up with this. See if this will work.

22 ( chathusram ) + 22 ( Chathusram ) + 16 ( thisram )

Repeating this from samam three times should get you to your eduppu.

You can further split this framework into purvangam and uttarangam of your choice in each of the three repetitions for further kanakku, aesthetics and presentation purposes.

Others, please correct if I messed up the math or concepts somewhere.

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 26 Jan 2010, 06:30

Hi,

Does this work as 672 = 640 + 32? But that means the korvai alone takes more than 10 Avartanas of Adi-2! Are such a long korvais common?

babaji · Post by **babaji** » 27 Jan 2010, 11:02

Edited..........

babaji · Post by **babaji** » 27 Jan 2010, 11:16

Edited

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 02 Feb 2010, 07:52

babaji, can you explain the math some more as to how that all adds to 64 sub-beats ( 2 kaLai Adi ) plus 4 beats for a total of 68 beats?

mridhangam · Post by **mridhangam** » 02 Feb 2010, 20:00

19 1/2 aksharams into two times in chatusram and the same korvai in tisram will make the korvai start in samam and end on 1 beat after. (what member means by 4 beat after samam should be taken as 1 beat after samam i think ).

J.Balaji

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 03 Feb 2010, 03:11

Balaji: That makes sense. The math is: 19.5 + 19.5 + 26 ( 19.5 * 4 / 3 ) = 65 . That is one aksharam after samam. Correct?

mkranthikiran · Post by **mkranthikiran** » 14 Feb 2010, 19:21

Hello everybody...I have a small doubt about the standard korvai. I heard that some mridangam vidwan played 3 thadiginatha s (3*5) in Adi Talam 1 Kalai from the 5th kriya (samam of dhrutam), instead of leaving one aksharam karvai in the uttarangam. There is a calculation for this it seems. Is there anything as such?

Kiran

ajsriram · Post by **ajsriram** » 22 Feb 2010, 18:46

Play In Kanda Nadai- thisra Gathi (60 Mathrais).

Thathikitathom = 5 : Play with 4 karvais between each Syllable which yields 20. Play for 3 times, you will get it in 4 beats.

On the OtherHand, it should be played as it is. You should not play for 30 Mathrais or 15 Mathrais by reducing the karvai AND by "ADJUSTING" the talam. Many please think that they are doing Kanda Thisram in Aadi Taalam with the above mentioned example.

If it is done with the Lowest speed and with all Aksharams/Mathrais synching then this is perfectly fine else its all "Gimmicks".

Sriram j. Iyer

mridhangam · Post by **mridhangam** » 05 May 2010, 14:52

3 * 5 from 5th Kriya ..

Here is an idea ...

Make Thakadhimi * 3 in tisra nadai from 5th kriya .. and then make it khanda nadai ...

It is Play chtusram in Thisra Nadai and make the chatusram into Khandam....

J.Balaji

rananthga · Post by **rananthga** » 10 Aug 2010, 14:47

All - thanks for your suggestions. But my question is still not answered. I have not checked this site till today - so apologies for a really later reply.

Balaji's idea - 19.5, 19.5, and 26 - works for 1 aksharam after samam; however I am looking for something that starts 4 aksharam after samam for 2 kalai Aadhi.

2 times chatushram and 1 time thisram - gets you to 4 aksharam - samam to eduppu.

May be the question is answered, but I am not getting it. If so, I'd appreciate any more clarity.

Thanks

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 11 Aug 2010, 00:27

rananthga, it will be good if you check back for answers much sooner. Especially with this type of question, if you come back after 7 months, a lot of the thinking that went in to the answers tend to be forgotten.

Anyway, after some mental reconstruction, the reasoning behind my answer in post #3 is this..

When you said 4 beats after samam, I took it to mean 4 chathusram aksharams after samam. If that is not correct, my answer is not valid.

22 ( chathusram ) + 22 ( Chathusram ) + 16 ( thisram ) is equivalent to 22 + 22 + 21.3333333 ( 21 1/3 ) chathusram aksharams, for a total of 65 1/3 . Repeat this three times to get 196. 192 gets you to samam and 196 puts you 4 chathusram aksharams from samam.

Not claiming it is right.. so critical evaluations are most welcome..

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