Sri TM Krishna at Shamukhananda Sangeeta Sabha Delhi 27-02

[vidya raja]

Sri . TM. Krishna at Shanmukhananda Sangeeta Sabha Delhi on 27th feb 2010.
They were accompanied by Sri K.V. Prasad on Mridangam
Sri. R.K. Shriramkumar on violin, Sri Purushottam on Kanjira.

1. Thyagaraja palayamam – Gaula –Adi- Muthuswami Dikshitar – (RS)
2. Vinamo Manasa- Vivardini- Adi- Sri Thyagaraja-
3. Ososi-Mukhari –Misra chapu-Padam-Skshetragna- (elaborate ragam – N)
4. Gyanamosaga rada- Purvi kalyani- Rupaka-(Tanam and swara)
5. Paramathmudu-Vagadeeshwari-2kalai Adi-(R, N)
6. Entati Koluke- Javali-Dharmapuri Subbarayar-
7. Viruttam in mayamalava gaula,Shankarabharanam,Varali and Sindhubhairavi followed by Vishweshwar darshan.
8. Vande mataram -Desh

[Abhishek]

ParamAthmudu must have been a treat.
I haven't heard anyone do neraval in this kriti. Did he do it in "gaganAnIla"?
And, he didn't sing swaram after neraval?

[rajaglan]

Looks like TM Krishna seems to be singing tanam as part of main song ie RTS
often.

Did he sing alapana for purvikalyani?

[vidya raja]

Niraval was at Paramathmudu and no swaram was sung. The vagadeeshwari ragam was a definite treat

[arasi]

Neraval in that line must have been something--by which I mean that for the less gifted, it is a tough line for neraval. Singing svarams for the line is easier compared to 'neraval (revel)'ing in it

[cienu]

Lovely play of words there, Arasi

[ksrimech]

2. Vinamo Manasa- Vivardini- Adi- Sri Thyagaraja-

vinavE! O manasA!

[Abhishek]

Neraval in that line must have been something--by which I mean that for the less gifted, it is a tough line for neraval. Singing svarams for the line is easier compared to 'neraval (revel)'ing in it

You're right. It is quite tough to sing neraval for that line. But I've always wanted to hear neraval in this kriti though, because it's so beautiful. The line, gaganAnIla tejOjala, in particular, just elevates the listener to a completely new world. Truly a masterpiece by TyAgarAjar.

[vidya raja]

Yes it is vinavE O manasa. Sorry and thanks for correcting

[thenpaanan]

2. Vinamo Manasa- Vivardini- Adi- Sri Thyagaraja-

vinavE! O manasA!

Ah! A great song, written very feelingly by the great Tyagaraja! "Listen, o mind, don't fall knowingly into bad ways....". (see http://sangeethapriya.org/sahithyapriya ... rdhani.pdf for a more literal and detailed translation). A very meditative and reflective lyric.

Vidya, how did TMKrishna sing it? Did it feel like the composer's emotions were coming through?

In spite of my immense respect for DKP/DKJ, I cannot quite come to terms with their way of singing this particular song (sung to a horse carriage gait as it were), which sounds to me to be quite divorced from the lyrics. Hard to imagine that Tyagaraja would have sung it like that.

Are there recordings of this kriti sung in a manner different from the DKP/DKJ paataantharam?

-Then Paanan

[karaharapriyajanyam]

Surprising that no one has noticed TMK singing rAgam and neraval(?) for a padam!! Is it ever done? I have never heard padams in the pre-main section, and to top it all, a neraval in a padam? It should have been superb. What a concert!! I would like to know more about this. Please tell me.

[braindrain]

Surprising that no one has noticed TMK singing rAgam and neraval(?) for a padam!! Is it ever done? I have never heard padams in the pre-main section, and to top it all, a neraval in a padam? It should have been superb. What a concert!! I would like to know more about this. Please tell me.

This wasnt for the first time.. Last year, he had the same padam as main at a concert in Indiranagar , Bangalore.. including neraval and swara..

[harimau]

Surprising that no one has noticed TMK singing rAgam and neraval(?) for a padam!! Is it ever done? I have never heard padams in the pre-main section, and to top it all, a neraval in a padam? It should have been superb. What a concert!! I would like to know more about this. Please tell me.

What planet have you been on for the last couple of years? I would like to know more about that. Please tell me.

T M Krishna is looking for publicity. So, some time in early 2009, at Raga Sudha Hall in Mylapore he sang "Ososi" as the main. He repeatedly announced he was going to sing the main item, did an eleborate alapana and then sang "Ososi".

Earlier, in Dec 2008, he sang ragam and tanam for the varnam "Viribhoni". Sang swarams too.

I am hoping that in the future he would sing elaborate raga alapana and do tanam and then sing "Pavamana" right in the middle of the concert. Failing which, he may decide that the upright posture is not necessary for Carnatic music and do a headstand (sirasaasanam) and sing a couple of songs.

He is trying to change the format of the kutcheri. He doen't need additional encouragement in the form of "It should have been superb! What a concert" type of comments.

[semmu86]

, he may decide that the upright posture is not necessary for Carnatic music and do a headstand (sirasaasanam) and sing a couple of songs.

nothing to beat harimau

[poincare]

I completely agree with harimu. This is atrocious. Singing a padam as a sub-main. What little respect to the history of carntic music. I think this is mainly due to ignorance. Let me refresh some history.
On day ONE of carnatic music God asked Ariyakudi to set the rules of music and in which order the songs should be sung. Much like the 10 commandements.This event was followed by composition of Thyagaraja, Dishitar, Shyama Sastri and much later by lesser talented composers like Kshetragna and Pacchimiriam Adiyappaiyar. So listen up people, do not sing padams and dilute carnatic music by singing “less complicated” pieces like Ososi. A 2 year old can do that, let stick to the same 50 songs in the same order.

Who cares if Viriboni could have been the yard stick for other composers in Bhairavi, remember it is a varnam and Ariyakudi said it has to sung first and not any later.... and Mr T.M.Krishna no swarams….bad boy bad boy!

Should we just put a ban on padams totally, we have already lost 90% of it, lets eradicate it…..Oh come on composers like Kshetragna did not have any influence on carnatic music and you cannot sing ragam or swarams for it so what is the point.
Here is what I propose lets decide on a set of 50 songs and we will ask a math major to come up with a regular expression based on ariyakudi’s format and anyone violating this will be arrested… because they are doing this for increasing their popularity…. No no no they cannot possibly be trying to unearth some old classics.. no way

TMK watch out….


hari


P.S This piece means no disrespect to Sri Ariyakudi, but satire on people who misinterpret his innovation and consider that to be the only way carnatic music should be sung.

[KSJaishankar]

Hilarious post Poincare! This issue has been SOOOO discussed in and out of context, am surprised people still are upto it with fresh vigour. Guys... follow a simple formula... you like what TMK does, go to his concert. Don't, then don't. Simple enough

[thanjavooran]

' Here is what I propose lets decide on a set of 50 songs and we will ask a math major to come up with a regular expression based on ariyakudi’s format and anyone violating this will be arrested.....'
Let us leave it to vidwath sadas of MA. Let it decide. It will be a very ideal proposal

Thanjavooran

[arasi]

Semmu,
Wonder if you left one last word out in your post--nothing to beat harimau--with?
Only kidding, folks! After all, when we are clowning around, we use strictly clown material--sponge mallets, baseball bats and so on

[harimau]

I completely agree with harimu. This is atrocious. Singing a padam as a sub-main. What little respect to the history of carntic music. I think this is mainly due to ignorance. Let me refresh some history.

On day ONE of carnatic music God asked Ariyakudi to set the rules of music and in which order the songs should be sung. Much like the 10 commandements.This event was followed by composition of Thyagaraja, Dishitar, Shyama Sastri and much later by lesser talented composers like Kshetragna and Pacchimiriam Adiyappaiyar. So listen up people, do not sing padams and dilute carnatic music by singing “less complicated” pieces like Ososi. A 2 year old can do that, let stick to the same 50 songs in the same order.

Who cares if Viriboni could have been the yard stick for other composers in Bhairavi, remember it is a varnam and Ariyakudi said it has to sung first and not any later.... and Mr T.M.Krishna no swarams….bad boy bad boy!

Should we just put a ban on padams totally, we have already lost 90% of it, lets eradicate it…..Oh come on composers like Kshetragna did not have any influence on carnatic music and you cannot sing ragam or swarams for it so what is the point.
Here is what I propose lets decide on a set of 50 songs and we will ask a math major to come up with a regular expression based on ariyakudi’s format and anyone violating this will be arrested… because they are doing this for increasing their popularity…. No no no they cannot possibly be trying to unearth some old classics.. no way

TMK watch out….


hari


P.S This piece means no disrespect to Sri Ariyakudi, but satire on people who misinterpret his innovation and consider that to be the only way carnatic music should be sung.

Were padams and javalis lost because musicians are singing "Koluvamaragade", "Upacharamulanu" and other grand kritis as the main part of the concert and not singing "Ososi" as the main piece with raga alapana, tanam and swara kalpana?

Or, have they been lost because of the mad rush to "Madu Meikkum Kanne", the Snake-Dance Song, "Vishamakkara Kannan", abhangs, etc.?

Can you relate cause and effect?

Why don't you change your handle from Poincare to something like Sangilikkaruppan, a name that most certainly cannot be seen among mathematicians?

You don't fool me one bit with your defense of a padam or a varnam as the main iem in a concert.

You are the kind to clap to rhythm when Aruna Sayeeram belts out "Vittala Vittala Vittala Vittala".

PS: "regular expression", eh? That is a dead giveaway to your profession. The total lack of logic in your post indicates that you are a code coolie and that phrase confirms it!

[poincare]

Were padams and javalis lost because musicians are singing "Koluvamaragade", "Upacharamulanu"

A huge number of them... just as a start the 100s of them that Kshetrayya had composed.. composition of Muthuthandavar, marimuthapillai.. the list goes on....


Or, have they been lost because of the mad rush to "Madu Meikkum Kanne", the Snake-Dance Song, "Vishamakkara Kannan", abhangs, etc.?

Absolutely... that too.... but that was not the point of the discussion, as TMK (whom you accused) does not sing them...
So your point is WHAT?

Can you relate cause and effect?

Of what? My point is a varnam and a padam can be sung any where in a concert and there are no set rules as to when and where they should be sung.. the music is much older and larger than your narrow perception...... is that clear....
Given a limited time X (duration of the concert) if the singers sing the same N number of songs the other ones will vanish into thin space... especially in an oral tradition such as carnatic music.. and many have...

Why don't you change your handle from Poincare to something like Sangilikkaruppan, a name that most certainly cannot be seen among mathematicians?

and how is that related to the topic

You don't fool me one bit
I dont have to... you are too good at it yourself


You are the kind to clap to rhythm when Aruna Sayeeram belts out "Vittala Vittala Vittala Vittala".

thanks for the recognition.... may be you can join me next time...

PS: "regular expression", eh? That is a dead giveaway to your profession. The total lack of logic in your post indicates that you are a code coolie and that phrase confirms it![/quote]

wow... your are too good... what if I talk about hamiltonians, commutators, wave function, product operators, sting theory... lets try this... just as a spin half nuclei can can have two possible orientation in a magnetic field that main piece in a carnatic concert can have only N number of possibilities .. lets us stay on topic here shall we....

My question to you is the following

Why should the concert format suggested by Sri Ariyakudi be THE gold standard that every one must follow when the music itself is much older that? What is wrong in singing ososi or viriboni as a main piece?

[kunthalavarali]

Hilarious post Poincare! This issue has been SOOOO discussed in and out of context, am surprised people still are upto it with fresh vigour. Guys... follow a simple formula... you like what TMK does, go to his concert. Don't, then don't. Simple enough

I guess the TMK bashers are those who dont attend his concerts!

[karthikbala]

ParamAthmudu must have been a treat.
I haven't heard anyone do neraval in this kriti
....

Here is a recording of Paramatmudu (lyrics & meaning included) with neraval at "gagananila":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce3k3CI4qnQ