Cleveland arAdhanA telecast on Jaya T.V.

Sundara Rajan · Post by **Sundara Rajan** » 25 Jun 2010, 09:04

Jaya T.V.is scheduled to broadcast excerpts of 2010 Cleveland arAdhana at 7:30 a.m from Monday June 28 onwards. This should be of interest to those who could not attend the function in Cleveland.

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 25 Jun 2010, 10:14

Many thanx for the information.

Thanjavooran 25 06 2010

chalanata · Post by **chalanata** » 28 Jun 2010, 19:56

did someone listen to the nadhaswaram today? I was very surprised to find a flute like music from a baari nayanam which is very rare. It reminded me of TNR. Kudos to the artist (Mambalam Siva)
Intha kaalathule entha puththukkulle entha pambu irukkunnu purinjukka mudiyaliyeppa!

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 28 Jun 2010, 20:38

There is also an evening re telecast of the same. Does anyone have the timing?

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 28 Jun 2010, 22:19

17 00 hrs to 17 30 hrs daily

Thanjavooran 28 06 2010

radha bhaskar · Post by **radha bhaskar** » 29 Jun 2010, 10:06

. It reminded me of TNR. Kudos to the artist (Mambalam Siva)
The artiste who played the Nagaswaram was Injikkudi Subramanyam and not Mambalam Siva.

gienbee · Post by **gienbee** » 29 Jun 2010, 18:07

kssr wrote:There is also an evening re telecast of the same. Does anyone have the timing?

I understand it is at 5 PM daily.

fduddy · Post by **fduddy** » 29 Jun 2010, 18:19

radha bhaskar wrote:. It reminded me of TNR. Kudos to the artist (Mambalam Siva)
The artiste who played the Nagaswaram was Injikkudi Subramanyam and not Mambalam Siva.

Both are TOP CLASS musicians. Hope they are given a LOT of opportunities and they play more to revive the fading nagaswaram music.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 29 Jun 2010, 19:52

Hope the season offers many nAgasvaram concerts so that more rasikAs have the chance to listen to them in one place or the other.

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 29 Jun 2010, 20:10

Good nadhaswaram music floating from a distance is pleasant. But when I was young, I sat quite close to the thavil and I got the feeling that the atoms and molecules in my head were disintegrating.

I have not attended a N "concert" after that. I still wonder if one can stand 3 hours of that. We do hear them in weddings. Some of them are good too. People who have attended full concerts can guide me as to how to get a pleasant feeling from a N concert.

chalanata · Post by **chalanata** » 29 Jun 2010, 20:10

radha baskar,
thanks for correcting me and sorry for the mistake.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 29 Jun 2010, 20:35

kssr wrote:Good nadhaswaram music floating from a distance is pleasant. But when I was young, I sat quite close to the thavil and I got the feeling that the atoms and molecules in my head were disintegrating.

tavil sound has a spectrum of frequencies. One segment of that is called ultrasonics. It is used to disintegrate kidney stones. Be happy you don't have kidney stones (thanks to tavil)

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 29 Jun 2010, 21:01

I cannot listen to recorded nagaswaram and Thavil music at home --- it is quite different in real life.

My worst experience is sitting, on stage, near the end of a flute! Whilst it has not put me off that wonderful instrument, I find now that my particular hearing deficit (high frequency loss with sensitivity to loud high frequency sounds) can make a flute concert a little uncomfortable for me.

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 29 Jun 2010, 21:06

mahakavi wrote: tavil sound has a spectrum of frequencies. One segment of that is called ultrasonics. It is used to disintegrate kidney stones. Be happy you don't have kidney stones (thanks to tavil)

You mean I should be unhappy not to have kidney stones. I could have disintegrated them free of charge by presenting myself to the grand old thavil- instead of a surgeon !!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 29 Jun 2010, 22:24

kssr,
I t's a good idea to seat yourself away from the tavil (don't we wish that in a concert too when the mrudangam player is loud?). Seek a seat in a distance, take out those cooton balls to partially cover your ears if it's necessary. Perhaps close your eyes and enjoy the beautiful swirls and sounds.
In February, at a small family event celebrated in a little temple in Tiruchy, with no mike, the pipe music was great. I feel equally happy in concert halls too. The best of the few that Iv'e heard in concerts were in the Music Academy (their sound system?) and also in Pettachi Hall.
I hope there are going to be more concerts of the ancient instrument the coming season

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 30 Jun 2010, 14:16

Probably one solution could be not to have mikes at all. I am sure N and thavil can fill any hall without amplification. Depending on the capacity of the listener, he can seat near or far from the stage ( with bigger or smaller ear plugs) What says you?

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 01 Jul 2010, 14:38

Yesterday I heard Sudha's concert in Jaya. Varali popular piece Kaa Vaa Vaa, was presented as

ka va va kanda va va kava velava- All small letters Kurils instead of nedils. As it is such a well known number, we do not bother to listen carefully. I had taken it for granted that it is pronounced correctly.

It was really amusing when you concentrate on the ending 'a's.

My mother tells me that she always sings that way for "style effect"!!

fduddy · Post by **fduddy** » 01 Jul 2010, 15:16

kssr wrote:Yesterday I heard Sudha's concert in Jaya. Varali popular piece Kaa Vaa Vaa, was presented as

ka va va kanda va va kava velava- All small letters Kurils instead of nedils. As it is such a well known number, we do not bother to listen carefully. I had taken it for granted that it is pronounced correctly.

It was really amusing when you concentrate on the ending 'a's.

My mother tells me that she always sings that way for "style effect"!!

Bottomline was it good or butchered !

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 01 Jul 2010, 20:38

fduddy wrote:
Bottomline was it good or butchered !

Yeah- Good. Nothing spectacular. ka va va was just amusing- I repeat.
About the three songs that were telecast, there was once again the high voltage high speed swaras. They are good but absolutely predictable from Sudha. I would have appreciated a relaxed vilamba kaala krithi full of bhava. Then it would have been special and something to remember to show her audience that there are several facets to her music. If one sings exactly in the same way for 15-20 years... Yeah- Good!!

thenpaanan · Post by **thenpaanan** » 02 Jul 2010, 09:21

kssr wrote:Yesterday I heard Sudha's concert in Jaya. Varali popular piece Kaa Vaa Vaa, was presented as

ka va va kanda va va kava velava- All small letters Kurils instead of nedils. As it is such a well known number, we do not bother to listen carefully. I had taken it for granted that it is pronounced correctly.

It was really amusing when you concentrate on the ending 'a's.

My mother tells me that she always sings that way for "style effect"!!

Indeed! The confusion between the 'a' (as in 'under') and 'aa' (as in 'alms') is quite prevalent in CM. I have found very few vocalists pronounce the 'aa' properly especially when it comes at the end of a word. I was myself not pronouncing it properly until recently. MDR is one of the very few who did pronounce it correctly at all times, which is with a completely open jaw. The grand pantheon of CM vidwans pronounces both 'a' and 'aa' as something in between, approaching the 'a' in 'actor'.

I quite agree with your mother that this is a "style" thing perhaps copied without thinking from guru to shishya, because we don't seem to do that in normal speech.

This may look like it is important only to linguists. But, in fact, I read an article by a Western classical voice teacher who said that the 'uh' sound is the most restricted sound in the voice box -- it has the least harmonic richness and projective capability. He instructs his students to elongate all the 'uh's to 'aa's. Whether he is right or not I do not know, but such "small" details as correct pronunciation may have large unintended consequences.

-Then Paanan

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 02 Jul 2010, 16:38

Is that style restricted only to Thamizh songs or other language kritis too? Does she sing "mahA gaNapatim manasA smarAmi" also with the short "a" sound? How about "ADAdu asangAdu vA kaNNA"?

Sundara Rajan · Post by **Sundara Rajan** » 02 Jul 2010, 19:58

Unlike the oft-repeated three "thukkadAs" of Sudha's program, Jaya TV broadcast a good presentation of rAga rathna in rIthigowla & sri ramaNa vibho in Arabhi by Trichur rAmachandran on July 1,2010. The broadcast spends bulk of the limited 30 min program to commercials and praises of the Jaya TV program by artists & rasikas. They could extend the program to one hour if they also wish to include commericals etc. and include longer major segments of the concerts. Am I looking into the mouth of a gift horse ?!

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 06 Jul 2010, 06:35

Sundara Rajan wrote:
Am I looking into the mouth of a gift horse ?

!

No. The gift donkey maybe.

munirao2001 · Post by **munirao2001** » 08 Jul 2010, 10:54

Thanks to Jaya TV, for the first time I could watch and hear few concerts.
The event is called 'Cleveland Thyagaraja Aradhana'. I request the organizers of this event to re name the event asâ€™ Cleveland Karnataka Music Aradhana', as the concerts include all the vaggeyakaras compositions, instead of only Thyagaraja. If it has to be Thyagaraja Aradhana only, only the Thyagaraja compositions are to be presented in this event.
Another request is to give opportunity to all those meritorious performers, other than popular and regular (every year) performers, who deserve this opportunity e.g. Sri Venkateshwara Bhakthi Channel program-Nada Neerajanam.

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 08 Jul 2010, 17:32

munirao2001 wrote: The event is called 'Cleveland Thyagaraja Aradhana'. I request the organizers of this event to re name the event asâ€™ Cleveland Karnataka Music Aradhana', as the concerts include all the vaggeyakaras compositions, instead of only Thyagaraja. If it has to be Thyagaraja Aradhana only, only the Thyagaraja compositions are to be presented in this event.

In that case, the event should be renamed as 'Cleveland Carnatic Music Aradhana' and not 'Cleveland Karnataka Music Aradhana'.

'Carnatic Music' denotes the traditional music form of the four southern states of Andhra, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Kerala, whereas 'Karnataka Music' may refer to the music of only Karnataka state.

fduddy · Post by **fduddy** » 08 Jul 2010, 18:39

Pratyaksham
Carnatic music should rightfully spelled and pronounced Karnataka (karnatakam) Isai and in this context it does not mean the INDIAN STATE. Therefore what Munirao has meant is perfect!

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 08 Jul 2010, 19:55

Carnatic/KarnATaka.
The former is anglicized from the original word which is not known as to what it was for sure. One school says the term came from "karu + nADu = karunAdu" meaning the black country referring to the skin color of the people dwelling in this region south of the Vindhya mountains.
If you say "karnATaka" what is the meaning? nATakam refers to drama. Kar = ? How did it come to be applied to the characteristic music form?

Should it be" karnAdaka" to mean "nAdam" (sound)? Still what does "kar" mean?

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 08 Jul 2010, 21:28

By continued usage, the meaning of 'Carnatic' Music is very clear to everyone. Now, where is the need to change this and create confusion? Karnataka Music does not offer a clear meaning, as these discussions confirm! When we write Karnataka music, is it karnAtaka music or karnAtakA music?

Any way, the following sites may clarify, where the terms Carnatic Music and Karnataka Music appear in the same articles:-

http://www.bharatonline.com/karnataka/music.html
http://www.mapsofindia.com/karnataka/pe ... dance.html

munirao2001 · Post by **munirao2001** » 09 Jul 2010, 12:03

pratyaksham bala
Karnataka music evolved with Karnataka Sangita Pitamaha- Purandara Dasa and during the reign of Nayak rule, which comprised the southern and some parts of western modern India. British introduced Carnatic in place of karnataka. Thus orginal Karnataka Music has become Carnatic music- denoting the regional music. No mention of Carnatic music in any works of Vaggeyakaras/ historians/writers. Only musicologist(s) have used Carnatic music, replacing the original with the same impression/understanding you conveyed in your reply.

munirao2001 · Post by **munirao2001** » 09 Jul 2010, 12:23

There is yet another mistaken version of "Karna itih Karnataka" - meaning what is pleasing to ear is karnataka. This quote is mistakenly used becuase, the original text refers to the kannada language, the language of Kannadigas, majority of them living in Karnataka region.

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 09 Jul 2010, 12:48

munirao2001 wrote:There is yet another mistaken version of "Karna itih Karnataka" - meaning what is pleasing to ear is karnataka. This quote is mistakenly used becuase, the original text refers to the kannada language, the language of Kannadigas, majority of them living in Karnataka region.

The explanation is very interesting and, of course, logical.

So, in a music programme where only Kannada kritis are sung, we shall call it as Karnataka Music Programme.

If in a programme, Sanskrit, Tamizh, Telugu and Kannada kritis are sung, we shall call it as Carnatic Music Programme! Reasonable?

The End.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 09 Jul 2010, 17:46

karnATakam - old/traditional (sometimes, used derogatorily as in the phrase 'kaDu kaDuvena mugam mArudal karnATaka vazhakkam anrO' in the song 'pazhaga teriya vENDum'), so, karnATaka sangItam probably means old/traditional music. When the word got anglicized, it became 'carnatic'. So, whether it is called karnAtaka sangItam or carnatic music, it is like 6 of one or half-a-dozen of the other, IMO.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 09 Jul 2010, 19:32

Exactly. This is one of the instances when a name becomes outdated (karnAtakam!) as in the name of an age old town called pudUr

munirao2001 · Post by **munirao2001** » 10 Jul 2010, 10:26

Using both the nomnaclatures-'Karnataka Music' and 'Carnatic Music', a new nomnaclature is already in vogue-'Karnatic Music'.

mahesu · Post by **mahesu** » 10 Jul 2010, 22:09

Anyway it is not necessary to rename 'Carnatic' to 'Karnatic' as it makes no sense to change an already known name. By the way what is the relationship between 'kannada' and 'karnataka'? Just because they were allowed to name the state, it doesn't mean that they take ownership of whatever is said in the name of 'KarnAtaka' or 'Karnatic' or 'Carnatic'.

munirao2001 · Post by **munirao2001** » 13 Jul 2010, 13:33

maheshu
The significance given/attached to the name is for symbolic representation of history, contribution , pride and prestige. By using the correct name of karanataka Music, we are paying homage to the Karanataka Sangita pitamaha Purandara Dasa, Haridasas who spearheaded the movement and later, Trinity and other vaggeyakaras created the magnificent edifice. By the continued wrong usage of Carnatic, denoting geographical region christened by the British, we forget the histrory and the legacy. When none of the vaggeyakaras have used the Carnatic for Karnataka Music, what is the cause for concern/dejection/rejection in the right use of the name?

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 13 Jul 2010, 16:17

munirao2001 wrote: When none of the vaggeyakaras have used the Carnatic for Karnataka Music, what is the cause for concern/dejection/rejection in the right use of the name?

But then, did they call their music 'karnATaka sangItam'? I think 'karnATaka/carnatic' was coined by people in the 20th century, so, it is not such a big deal what it is called.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 13 Jul 2010, 19:30

What's in a name?
Let us rechristen it as SICM (South Indian Classical Music)

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 11 Oct 2010, 12:34

I have recorded and posted at You Tube the telecasted clips of following Artists.

Smt. Sudha Ragunathan
Carnatica Brothers
Smt. Gayathri Venkatragavan
GJR Krishnan and Smt Vijayalakshmi
Smt. Soumya
Shri. Thiruchur Ramachandran
Shri.TM Krishna
I could not record Mambalam Siva due to power failure.

Some body can provide reason as to why the program was not continued.

Those interested can reach my files at You Tube

http://www.youtube.com/user/vkailasam

venkatakailasam

suma · Post by **suma** » 15 Oct 2010, 04:37

venkatakailasam wrote:I have recorded and posted at You Tube the telecasted clips of following Artists.

Smt. Sudha Ragunathan
Carnatica Brothers
Smt. Gayathri Venkatragavan
GJR Krishnan and Smt Vijayalakshmi
Smt. Soumya
Shri. Thiruchur Ramachandran
Shri.TM Krishna
I could not record Mambalam Siva due to power failure.

Some body can provide reason as to why the program was not continued.

Those interested can reach my files at You Tube

http://www.youtube.com/user/vkailasam

venkatakailasam

Thank you so much for uploading in youtube.

rajsanthanam · Post by **rajsanthanam** » 16 Oct 2010, 13:32

Excellent, Thank you.