ayyanE vA appanE vA - details

[braindrain]

Heard this krithi in one of the concert attended recently. This was sung in sindhubhairavi. Not able to find any details.. Any information on the composer and lyrics ( if possible) , requested.

[Lakshman]

The kriti has been rendered by T.N.Seshagopalan on the 2 CD set titled A Meeting of Minds. The composer's name is given as "Unknown".
Check the details at carntica.net site.

[arasi]

Lakshman,
Is it possible for any rasikA who attends TNS's concert to ask him? If not, our fellow member Saroja Ramanujam would oblige, I suppose.

[natakapriya]

bump!

did anyone ever manage to get the details for this?

[Lakshman]

corrections welcome:


ayyanE vA appanE vA. rAgA: sindhibhairavi. rUpaka tALA. Composer: not known.

P: ayyanE vA appanE vA harihara sutanE nI vA
A: maNDalattOr pugazh caNDa pracaNDanE aNDar pugazh iha mAmaNigaL tannil
toNDargaL koNDADi tudittiDuvOmE aNDinEn un padam mAdhavanE endan
C1: pANDiyan kali tIra bAlanAi vandinda pAriyuLLOr kurai tIrkka vandAyE
tANDavamADum puli kADu vAi singam vAzhndiDum kAnta malaiyOnE
2: pankaja nAbhanum tingaL muDiyOnum mangaLamAi tanda sanja perumALE
kumkumam mandArai seNbakam karpakam candanam shUDum shabari malaiyOnE
3: ucciyil ratna kirITam tulangiDa paccai marakata mAlai ilangiDa
muccaDan pOL iru mAdar tulangiDa accangO iLamarAdi paranE

[smala]

Is the above composition on Ayappa (harihara sutanE) or krishna, or, both ? References to Krishna and Sri Ram in the caranam.

[rshankar]

Some minor corrections. The words in green do not make sense to me.

corrections welcome:


ayyanE vA appanE vA. rAgA: sindhibhairavi. rUpaka tALA. Composer: not known.

P: ayyanE vA appanE vA harihara sutanE nI vA
A: maNDalattOr pugazh caNDa pracaNDanE aNDar pugazh iha mAmaNigaL tannil
toNDargaL koNDADi tudittiDuvOmE aNDinEn un padam mAtavanE endan
C1: pANDiyan kali tIra bAlanAi vandinda pAriluLLOr kurai tIrkka vandAyE
tANDavamADum puli kADu vAi singam vAzhndiDum kAnta malaiyOnE
2: pankaja nAbhanum tingaL muDiyOnum mangaLamAi tanda sanja perumALE
kumkumam mandArai seNbakam karpakam candanam shUDum shabari malaiyOnE
3: ucciyil ratna kirITam tulangiDa paccai marakata mAlai ilangiDa
muccaDan pOL iru mAdar tulangiDa accangO iLamarAdi paranE

S-P - the song is indubitably on ayyapan (harihara sutan) - and that too with two consorts. What makes you think that there are references to Krishna and Rama?
Also, who is muccaDan (one with three braids)? I know of trijaTa (tiriSaDai), but muccaDan? Also, this is someone with 2 consorts, so, I wonder if this refers to muruga.

[smala]

Must have have mistaken these -- "ucciyil ratna kirITam" and the "paccai marakata mAlai" evoked an image of Rama's color and coronation..."pANDiyan kali tIra bAlanAi"- thought of Krishna here.

[rshankar]

I did wonder if the line should be 'pandaLan kali tIra...' and not 'pANDiyan kali tIra...'

[Lakshman]

I listened to the song again and TNS sings it as pANDiyan. The clip is available on musicindiaonline.com

[smala]

Lakshmanji, search with ayyane va did not bring it up in musicindiaonline - would you have the link?

[Lakshman]

Here is the link. It is the second item on the list.

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/#/searc ... &do=Search

[smala]

Here is the link. It is the second item on the list.

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/#/searc ... &do=Search

Thank you, Lashman-ji, wonder why it didn't show up when I searched.

[smala]

rshankar, you are spot-on - the song being only on Ayyapan.

The well known Ayyapan is worshiped as Brahmacari/ascetic, as "shabari malaiyOnE".

He also seems to be worshiped a) as a child, and, b) as grihastha, with "iru mAdar"....

"..at Kulathupuzha, in Kerala, he is worshipped as a child; at Achenkovil in conjunction with his consorts, Pushkala and Poorna; and at Sabarimala as an ascetic, a celibate meditating in solitude for the benefit of all mankind....."

One lore is the child with the maNi mAlai found on the banks of the Pampa, raised by the then childless king of Pandalam, as Manikantan.

Wiki mentions other variations on the origin theme as well, one with the pAndiya Raja and the Pandalam connection :

..."A collection of legends called Ithihyamala first published in 1904 gives a slightly different version. In it the Raja of Madurai finds Ayyappan, as a young man well versed in archery, in a forest. The story then follows the same pattern as above except that the Raja recognises him as an Avatar or incarnation of Shastha. This story could be nearer the truth.The Pandyans subsequently migrated to Pandalam in Kerala. This story is plausible since it explains why members of Pandalam Royal Family even today do not stand directly in front of the sanctum sanctorum at Sabarimalai. This version puts Ayyappan as a Senapathi or Captain of the Pandyan army whose popularity and influence with the King was disliked by locals. It is obvious that even subsequent generations of Royals would be honored by Ayyappa and would apparently cause the idol to stand up-the ostensible reason for Royal family members not standing in front of the idol...."

[Lakshman]

I found out that the song was composed by TNS' mother.

[natakapriya]

listened to the song a few more times, and might have corrections with regds to the words in green. but my tamil knowledge is somewhat incomplete so please do let me know if it makes no sense.

A: maNDalattOr pugazh caNDa pracaNDanE aNDar pugazh vIra mA maNikaNDanE

C2: pankaja nAbhanum tingaL muDiyOnum mangaLamAi tanda sanga perumALE

C3: 3: ucciyil ratna kirITam tulangiDa paccai marakata mAlai ilangiDa
muccaDan pOL iru mAdar tulangiDa acchan kOvil amarAdhipanE

not so sure about the C1 part though.

[Lakshman]

I got thius corrected version from sri TNS.


ayyanE vA appanE vA. rAgA: sindhibhairavi. rUpaka tALA.

P: ayyanE vA appanE vA harihara sutanE nI vA
A: maNDalattOr pugazh caNDa pracaNDanE aNDar pugazh vIra mAmaNikaNDanE
toNDargaL koNDADi tudittiDuvOmE aNDinEn un padam mAdhavanE endan
C1: pANDiyan kali tIra bAlanAi vandinda pAriyuLLOr kurai tIrkka vandAyE
tANDavamADum puli kADu vAi singam vAzhndiDum kAnta malaiyOnE
2: pankaja nAbhanum tingaL muDiyOnum mangaLamAi tanda sanja perumALE
kumkumam mandArai seNbakam karpakam candanam shUDum shabari malaiyOnE
3: ucciyil ratna kirITam tulangiDa paccai marakata mAlai ilangiDa
muccaDar pOL iru mAdar tulangiDa accankOiL amar Adi paranE

[rshankar]

Lji - that was very nice of the senior musician!!
I still have issues with mAdhavanE in the AP - because mAdhavan is krishNa or vishNu. mAtavan means someone who came about as the result of severe penance (As an example: mInAkshi is referred to as 'malayadhvajan mAtavamE' in Sri PS' kIravANi kriti, but many musicians whose mother tongue is tamizh sing it as 'malayadvajan mAdhavamE').

[naarayanan]

ஐயனே வா.. அப்பனே வா
ஹரிஹரசுதனே வா

வையம் புகழ் வடிவேலன் சகோதரன்
தையலாள் ஜகன்மோஹினி பாலகன்

மண்டலத்தோர் புகழ் சண்டப்பிரசண்டன்
அண்டம் புகழ் வீரமாமணிகண்டன்
தொண்டர்கள் கொண்டாடி துதித்துடுவோமே
அண்டினேன் உந்தன் பதம் ஆண்டவனே

பங்கஜநாபனும் திங்கள் முடியோனும்
மங்கலமாய் தந்த தங்கப்பெருமாளே
குங்குமம் மந்தாரை செண்பகம் கற்பகம்
சந்தனம் கமழும் சபரி மலையிலே

உச்சியில் ரத்னகிரீடம் துலங்கிட
பச்சை மரகத மாலை இலங்கிட
முச்சுடர் போலிரு மாதர் துலங்கிட
அச்சன் கோவில் அமராதிபதே

சபரிநாதா உன் சன்னதி வந்தவுடன்
இந்த நாய்க்கும் மெய்ஞானம் பிறந்ததய்யா
உந்தன் பாதத்தில் இருமுடி பட்டவுடன்
பாசம் அனைத்தும் தொலைந்ததய்யா

என் ஐயனே வா.. அப்பனே வா
ஹரிஹரசுதனே நீ வா

On Dec 2nd, Sri. Udaiyalur performed at bvb. fortunate to listen to him sing this song..