Concerts @ Bangalore Gayana Samaja

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 20 Aug 2006, 05:48

I havent attended any of these concerts, but posting the lists for benefit of other readers.

August 19 @ Bangalore Gayana Samaja
Vocal: Sri T.M.Krishna (TMK) Violin: Sri R.K.Sriramkumar Mridangam: Sri K.V. Prasad
Ghatam: Sri Giridhar Udupa

List of songs:

1) karuNimpa (varnam) - sahAnA - Adi - tiruvOtriyUr tyAgayyar
2) varalakshmIm bhajarE - sOwrAshtram - Adi - muthuswAmi dIkshitar
3) karuNa ElAgaNtE - varALi - Adi - thyAgarAja
4) srI rAmam - nArAyanagOwlA - Adi - muthuswAmi dIkshitar
5) rAvE himagiri (swarajati) - tOdi - Adi - syAmA sAstri
6) himagiri tanayE - sudha danyAsi - Adi - harikEsanallUr muthiAh bhAgavathar
7) karacharanakrutam (viruttam) - rAgamAlikA
pranatArti hara - chenchurutti - kanda triputa - mysore vAsudEvAchAr
8 ) OsOsi - mukhAri - misra chApu - muddu natEsa
9) muttavadurA - sAvEri - Adi - dharmapuri subbarAyar
10) thillAna - chenchurutti - Adi - vInA sEshannA
11) pavamAna (mangalam) - sOwrAshtram - Adi - thyAgarAja

As usual, when the taniavartanam started, a section of the audience promptly got up and started walking outside slowly. TMK and all the artists were silent for some time after which TMK said:ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 20 Aug 2006, 05:50

Vocal: Sri T.N.Seshagopalan (TNS) Vocal Support: Sri T.N.S. Krishna
Violin: Sri H.K.Venkatram Mridangam: Sri Umayalapuram K. Sivaraman
Khanjira: Sri N. Amrit

List of songs:

1) vanajAkshi (varnam) - kalyAni - kanda ata - pallavi gOpAla iyer
2) angAraka - surutti - rUpakam - muthuswAmi dIkshitar
3) mANikka vInA (viruttam) - sudha tOdi
mAtanga kanyAm - sudha tOdi - kanda triputa - jayachAmarAja wodeyAr
4) taramu gAdurA - sahAnA - Adi - mysore vAsudEvAchar (?)
5 ) marivErE - shanmugapriyA - Adi - pattanam subramaniya iyer
6) enduku peddala - shankarAbharanam - Adi - thyAgarAja
7) rAma mantrava - jOnpuri - Adi - purandaradAsa
8) shanka chakra (viruttam) - rAgamAlika
thillAnA - hamsAnandi - Adi - harikEsanallUr muthiAh bhAgavathar
9) vachanamiga (thiruppugazh) - behAg - chatustra jampa - arunagirinAthar
10) pavamAna (mangalam) - sowrAshtram - Adi - thyAgarAja
mangala slOkam - srI

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 20 Aug 2006, 05:51

Smt Bombay Jayashri /Sri Mysore V Srikanth on the violin/Sri Poongulam Subramaniam on the mridangam & Sri Rajagopalan on the khanjira.

List of songs:

1) mAyAtIta - mAyAmAlavagowla - rUpakam - tAnjOre ponnaiyyA
2) mundu vEnu - darbar - Adi - thyAgarAja
3) smaranE ondE - malayamArutam - Adi - purandaradAsa
4) shankari nIvE - bEgadA - rUpakam - subbarAya sAstri
5) ranjani niranjani - ranjani - Adi - g.n.bAlasubramaniam
6) bhajarE rEchita - kalyAni - misra chApu - muthuswAmi dIkshitar
7) karunAnidhiyE - bouLi - misra chApu - pApanAsam sivan
8) rAgam tAnam pallavi (RTP) - kEdAragowlA - Adi (2 kalai)
pallavi words: ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã¢â‚¬Å“vEnugAna ramanA, jaganmOhana nardhana krishnaÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 20 Aug 2006, 06:04

Vocal: Sri O.S. Thyagarajan (OST)
Violin: Sri H.K.Venkatram
Mridangam: Sri V. Praveen
Ghatam: Sri Giridhar Udupa

List of songs:
1) vallabha nAyakasya - bEgadA - rUpakam - muthuswAmi dIkshitar
2) birAna - kalyAni - Adi (tisra gathi) - syAma sAstri
3) Eti janma - varAli - misra chApu - thyAgarAja
4) vinatA suta - jayantasEnA - Adi - thyAgarAja
5) nI pAdamulE - navarasa kAnadA - Adi - rAmanAthapuram srInivAsa iyengAr
6) lEkanA - asAvEri - Adi - thyAgarAja
7) Emi nEramu - sankarAbharanam - Adi - thyAgarAja
8) srI rAghavam - viruttam in rAgAs sahAnA, shanmukhapriyA and Anandabhairavi
rAmabhadra rArA - Anandabhairavi - Adi - bhadrAchala rAmdAs
9) sadA yenna - behAg - rUpakam - vijaya vittala dAsa
10) nAdupai - madhyamAvati - kanda chApu - thyAgarAja
11) pavamAna (mangalam) - sOwrAshtram - Adi - thyAgarAja
followed by mangala slOkam in rAgA surutti

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 20 Aug 2006, 06:07

Vocal: Sikkil Gurucharan
Violin: Charulata Ramanujam
Mridangam: H.S.Sudheendra
Ghatam: Srisyla

List of songs:
1) viribOni (varnam) - bhairavi - kanda ata - pachimiriyam adiyappA
2) sidhi vinAyakam - mOhana kalyAni - Adi - harikEsanallUr muthiAh bhAgavathar
3) murugA murugA - sAvEri - misra chApu - periasAmi thUran
4) kamalAmbAm bhajarE - kalyAni - Adi - muthuswAmi dIkshitar (sung on special request from a female fan

)
5) sogasujUda - kannadagowla - rUpakam - thyAgarAja
6) pAhi pAhi - malayamArutam - Adi (tisra gati) - prAnEsha vittala dAsa
7) chEtasrI - dwijAvanti - rUpakam - muthuswAmi dIkshitar
8) mAmayUra - bilahari - Adi - mazhavai chidambara bhArati
9) gajavadanA - tOdi - Adi - kumara rAja ettEndra
10) gOpAlam - viruttam in rAgas sumanEsa ranjani, sindhu bhairavi & behAg
nanyAku badavanO - behAg - kanda chApu - purandaradAsa
11) manamE kanamum - bImplAs - Adi - pApanAsam sivan
12) thillAna - hamsAnandi - Adi - srImushnam rAjA rAo
13) pavamAna - sowrAshtram - Adi - thyAgarAja

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 20 Aug 2006, 06:11

mahesh3 wrote:nanyAku badavanO - behAg - kanda chApu - purandaradAsa

nAnEke baDavano.

Bombay Jayashree is the only artiste that appears to have remembered right from the beginning that she is singing in Karnataka. ANd the other artistes remembered after the speech which would have been in kannaDa.

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 20 Aug 2006, 06:30

Dr. Shrikant,

TNS seems to have sung a wonderful Mahakavi Kalidasa virutham followed by wodeyar, mysore vasudevacharya and purandaradasa krithis...Same with TMK who covered Harikesanallur and MV's compositions. So, they were perhaps more mindful of being in Bangalore than some others.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 20 Aug 2006, 06:33

Yes Mahesh
I noticed it and that feels good.

ram · Post by **ram** » 20 Aug 2006, 12:56

The theme of the expert sessions in the mornings during the Bangalore Gayana Samaja conference was karnataka vaggeya vaibhava (Splendor of compositions of Karnataka Composers) and many of the artists who sang in these concerts in the evening gave lec-dems in the morning. I think this is one reason why they included compositions by Karnataka composers in more than the usual numbers.

Regards,
Ram
http://ramsabode.wordpress.com

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 20 Aug 2006, 19:26

TMK
I think it was unreasonable for him to say that comment though. It's the audience's choice to leave when they wish, whether it's after the first item, mid item or last item. They paid, they'll stay or go when they please. It's not like they don't know he's still performing.

Otherwise, all the songlists are really great. OST didn't give one Tamil item at all though, I'm a little surprised by that.

mahesh3 - as a request, could you include the appropriate abbreviations next to the relevant krithis in future songlists? (eg; R=Raga Alapana, N=Nereval etc.)

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 20 Aug 2006, 20:09

Vocalist:

The kutcheri paddhati gives audience members ample opportunity to leave between pieces. Leaving during a piece, and especially during the tani is extremely disrespectful to the artiste not to mention disturbing, if it is a smaller venue. The mridangist puts in as much effort [if not more] than a vocalist during a concert. When he or she gets 10 minutes to show off the individual skills they have practiced years for, they are greeted by half the audience going Ho for the exits. I fully support Sri TMK's statement and wish more artistes would do it.

ram · Post by **ram** » 20 Aug 2006, 20:34

Just to give a clearer picture on what exactly happened in the concert: After TMK ended the kalpana swarams to give KV Prasad and Giridhar Udupa the opportunity to play the Tani, a lot of people started leaving their seats and slowly moving out. KV Prasad waited for them to leave. This was going on for some time and people were very slow in moving out. This was when TMK intervened and requested those who want to move out to do so fast as both the artists and the interested section(s) in the audience were waiting for the Tani.

People have all the right to move out when they want but I guess it wouldn't hurt them if they could ensure that they do it with minimal inconvenience to both the people who want to stay and to the artists performing.

Regards,
Ram

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 20 Aug 2006, 23:14

Should paying for a concert entitle one to make demands?
Am I right in assuming that the concerts are free? Most concerts are, in Bangalore.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 20 Aug 2006, 23:17

arasi wrote:Am I right in assuming that the concerts are free? Most concerts are, in Bangalore.

Most are including most of rAma navami concerts and the gOkulAShTami series in oDukkattUr maTha. The gAyanasamAja charges a nominal fee per concert during the conference (10 or 15 rupees). The morning laecde sessions are free plus one gets breakfst and beverage as well. And yet the lecdem sessions are not particularly well atended.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 21 Aug 2006, 03:08

I fully support Sri TMK's statement and wish more artistes would do it.

Kishori Amonkar does it in a concert too..after 60 minutes of Malkauns.
One minute into the Druth Composition , She vents her feeling .
Only difference is that she requests the guys not to return until she is finished.
And sings an outstanding piece.
http://quickdump.com/files/1623037029.html

The clip is of the juicy ending only ..

:D

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 21 Aug 2006, 16:14

Thanks for the details ram.

NOT that this counts, but I've so far (in my admittedly limited experience) not been offended when members of an audience leave during a piece - heck, people come to a concert for half a piece sometimes, let them be. But I agree with the second part, it can be VERY disturbing, especially in a small hall. In any case, on reading TMK's statement again in light of the above, I agree with his statement.

While you and I may appreciate all the aspects of a concert, whether it's an alapana by a violinist or a thani by percussionists or a heavy bit of CM by a vocalist, there are others who don't. Is it right to make them listen to something they aren't interested in just because the musician doesn't want to feel...rejected? Whether they come to a concert for a certain amount of time (maybe because of committments), or to hear the first half of a concert, we can't judge them. I don't think it has anything to do with demands. Well, that's what I think at least...

Musicians shouldn't be affected by the number that leave during a concert, unless they are disturbing them/others. Similarly, I agree with Ram's last para.

Music · Post by **Music** » 21 Aug 2006, 18:34

A few thoughts/solutions:
1. The reality is that some people do not have all the time to sit through the whole concert. Especially ones that last for 3 or 4 hours. But yes, at least out of respect for the artists, the least we could do is not to leave in the middle of an item. I have seen carnatic music organizers in the US who do not let audience exit in the middle of any piece. You are free to leave in the middle of a concert, but plan so you leave soon after an item ends, not in the middle. I like this practice. Organizers should take the responsibility of implementing this and not leave it on the artists. Those of you who are organizers, please use this approach if it makes sense to you. Builds in some decorum for attending concerts. In my limited experience, I haven't seen that elsewhere.
2. If it is really a common practice for people to leave in the middle of a concert, then I guess there is a need for the duration of concerts to be reduced. You could still definitely have long concerts, but only when you know you have the audience for it. The artists get to preserve their precious voice & effort & time. We would end up increasing the value of a concert, and rightly so.
3. On the other hand, if people tend to often leave soon after the tani begins, it also means they don't understand it enough to enjoy it. Enjoying classical music is partly acquired taste and partly intelligent listening. So someone has to take the role of educating them so they understand it better (I think the artists in the concert are best suited for this role).
I heard Sanjay started the practice of publishing the list of songs for his concerts to be distributed to the audience. Things like these are steps to educate audience. We need such steps if we want music to reach a wider audience.
4. Also why not the taniavartanam be performed earlier in a concert?

Only the main artists should be willing & open enough to do it. The percussionists are also stars in the show and deserve it.

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 22 Aug 2006, 13:06

1 is a good idea. 2 would be unfair on the rest of the audience who like long concerts.

I doubt everyone would be that interested in 3. While I'd support the idea all the way, something worth pondering. How much of the audience don't have a full AEU (appreciation/education/understanding) of CM? How many of these people want to get a better AEU? How many of these just want to come listen to what they like to hear from what they know already? However, I don't think I'd agree to handing songlists out at each concert. It might do more damage than good.

4. While Thani avarthanams give the percussionists a bit of time to show their individual skills, it gives the main artist a rest. The reason the percussionists don't get to go solo, especially early in a concert, is because they aren't the main artist. They are accompanists - vital, yes, but not as a solo at a beginning of a kutcheri. It might also mean people turning up late to a concert deliberately...:

Music · Post by **Music** » 22 Aug 2006, 18:22

Thanks for going through all the ideas, Vocalist. On 3., it totally depends on the type of audience. In case of regular concert goers, you are absolutely right - majority of the audience do have the AEU. This point is more for people who don't really have a good understanding of the music, but know its value. People like them need the education. You could say what the heck, can't help if they are ignorant. But if we need this art to thrive well in future generations, we do need to expand the audience base wherever possible. So maybe we could limit this education effort depending on how knowledgeable the audience is.

Not sure if many readers here can relate to the above since this is a forum of ardent music lovers. Until I joined this group, I never realised how knowledgeable & involved rasikas could be. Rasikas are indeed vidwans in their own right. Music is not only singing or playing instruments. Listening is a BIG component.

Rasikas exactly do what Tyagaraja is asking in the pallavi of his song in AndoLika 'Raga Sudha Rasa Panamu jesi rajillave O manasa' - "Drink the tasteful essence of raga and rejoice! ". And you need to understand music to do this. Not as easy as it sounds.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 22 Aug 2006, 21:18

What makes the audience leave the hall during a performance? The more we think about it, the better we understand it:
The very fact that people take the trouble to go to a concert means that there is some interest on their part--which should please the performers. They have given enough performances to know that the audience is made up of an unbelievable variety of people. Being professionals, they carry on, no matter how empty the hall, how distracting the goings on. Of course, they and us would like a full house of involved audience which does happen sometimes. For the fun of it, let's take a sample survey:
A loves music, it is his favorite vocalist (accompanist).
B ditto, but has something important to attend to, still wants to be there at least part of the time. C the same, but is diabetic and needs to go out a few times.
D likes music, is new to the performer(s) but wants to expand his horizon. E would go any distance to attend a concert but the last bus for his far away suburb would leave if he didn't get up and leave DURING the tani he had been so looking forward to but darn it, the speeches were SO lengthy and his evening was ruined. F is the same, but he is happy there were lengthy speeches, otherwise he would have missed the concert--he had to work late. G came because her friend arranged the concert. She HAD to be there (and chat too, all the time). And you make up your own profiles for the rest of the alphabet. The more we deliberate on it, the more we learn that it is a complex thing.
A few suggestions? Both the artists and the rasikas can be a little tolerant about disturbances. We have no control over the time frame of the concert (speech makers, please note). Even if we are there well before time, the SK vocalist

, his accompanist or sound system man may delay the concert and we in the audience seem insensitive because we leave abruptly.
A sense of decorum helps. For those who feel they have paid for the concert, here is my response. The artists didn't twist your arms to buy a ticket, anyway. Your attitude wouldn't add to the positive ambience of a concert. Decorum means being thoughtful. If you KNOW you want to leave, take an exit side seat. Do not make a whole row of people pay attention, contort, being stepped on their feet when you leave. Do not request a song any time during the performance. Write it down and make it available to the performer before the concert starts and then blame him for not singing it!
Please add to the list your own suggestions, rasikas.
By the way, I do not feel guilty about getting up from my near the exit seat during the music season because it is impossible to give young and established artists and myself a chance without committing the faux pas of arriving late for a concert or leaving early. The different time slots in different sabhas makes it even more difficult.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 22 Aug 2006, 22:55

As usual, a very balanced outlook, Arasi...

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 23 Aug 2006, 06:55

Yet quirky, as we rasikas find ourselves to be, at times

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 23 Aug 2006, 08:18

I disagree with most if not all of the sentiments expressed here...if rasikas can spend enough time listening to the krithis and alapanais that are being sung, it is basic courtesy to the accompanyists...to atleast sit tight for the few minutes that the thani takes. Mostly, some members in the audience dont care, nor are they interested in other facets of the thani, The most irritating aspect of this behavior is the "quirky" rasikas who are there for the tukkadas. They cant quit because their most favorite "English Note" or their abhangs are yet to come. As a means to their end, they will keep walking in between the thani to fulfil their snack requirements, answer their cellphone messages or such other irritating antics to disturb others including the artists. Schmucks!!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 23 Aug 2006, 09:12

Mahesh3,
I am with you. Sorry, an aside, bearing the word quirky put you off! I am as serious as you are(I hope) when it comes to being a well behaved rasika. This was merely meant to be a joke, the 'quirky' thing, and it was meant for Ravi. I have to learn to maintain decorum on the forum too, I guess!

cml, this one is for you: fOrumadil decOrum vENDumaDI! In simhendra madhyamam perhaps, and you could give us a song in the technical section. I did my homework on the pAsuram, so Meena would let me off this time...

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 23 Aug 2006, 16:11

Easy to crib , very difficult to give a solution.Interesting anecdote worth recollecting told by my two periappas(Dad's 2 elderbrothers who are all in 70 + age group).

Shri GNB has a practice of passing kalkandu (sugar cubes in temples- sorry I cannot translate correctly) at the beginning of the tani. The elder periappa (age around 18 then, fanatic fan of GNB/MLV) used to take his grandmother and younger periappa too often to GNB concerts . Just around the start of tani,bunch of kids would be given kalkandu by shri GNB to control the exodus and to may be keep the rasikas focussed.

The eldest periappa will depute the younger periappa to get kalkandu for himself and their grandmother . With pride and force ,the elder periappa will take all kalkandus, give one to his grandma without tooth and give one to younger periappa strictly instructing him to not bite the kalkandu by giving one after another, so that they all stay for sure till shri GNB sang mangalam . Wonderful practice it can still work in temple concerts and may be small sabhas even now .

I know rajeshnat there is law and order problem in Israel/Arab, forget about your periappa give me atleast few steps to a solution that u follow???

1. Try to get a sense of sabha and sound system , find a sweet spot that suits your ear.

2. Try to look at the list of artists and go with a preferably correct expectation . Dont expect the sarvalaghu masters to sing with more melody or bhAvam , dont compare every mridangist to PSP and PMI. Certain artist are more alApanai oriented , few are swaram oriented.

3. Try preferably avoiding sitting with a known group of people ,each of you end up describing your experience of the kAmbOdhi that is gone , losing in the process the subtle and distinct kAmbOdhi that the singer is performing.

4. Try to tell your family(other than kids) that I have to be there even before the first varnam and I will be there till pavamAna , and if they need to go before, let them go home without you or let them be more forbearing (for me both happens).Infants and kids are different point, one needs to forget all these suggestions!

5. If your mridangist is either overbanging or softly carassing , you will always find a little kid in the crowd who will be joyfully sleeping. Appreciate that the kids can predict better what is coming .If you start doing a useless introspection of why I did not predict that well,the tani will be over. bingo.

6. Perhaps the second most important(many donot do that) ,have a small snack either small sandwich if you are coming from work or have light tiffin from home if it is weekends.You need enough petrol so that your interest sustains.

7. The most important remember it is rubish to say that I may choose to leave anytime as I am paying for the concert.Paying or free is not a question here . That dictum holds good in cinema theatres not live carnatic music concerts .

I recollect a 80 plus year old topless thAtha (He told me he has gone few times to MMI house in mayavaram to learn few songs)who told me once in a malladi brothers concert in a sabha in egmore ,at the end of upachAramoolanu and tani, in the gap between tani and next song he said "NambalAla rasika thaan mudiyum, avalAla anubhavika mudiyum , yAralayum intha Karnataka sangeethatha evalavu janmam eduthAlum purinjukka mudiyAdhu" (Rasikas can just appreciate, performers can only experience but no one can fully comprehend the carnatic music even if you take many rebirth) .

Hope it is a good quote of a 80 + old rasika who has no chance to get into the internet that speaks the exact and right attitude.

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 23 Aug 2006, 16:21

I think this is way out of context now, and I can't accept either of the above lines of thought. There is no dispute about 'courtesy owed to an artist' because...

Ideally, an audience should stay for the whole of the concert, right till the end, out of 'courtesy' for ALL performers, period.

If they are allowed to leave at any point, then there's nothing wrong in leaving during a thani. If this is so incredibly problematic, then artists or rasikas should appeal to the organisors and adopt idea 1. from "Music" (see above). Otherwise, no matter when they leave, minimising the disturbance to audience and artists is all that need be considered. This is precisely why I agreed with TMK's statement (looking at the post by "Ram" above), as the rasikas who were leaving, were disturbing everyone.

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 23 Aug 2006, 19:23

Arasi,

No need to apologize. I just took "quirky" and ran with it...there isn't a need to make up a hundred points that confuse everybody and make it hard to conform...A carnatic kutchery more than any other form of music needs emotional involvement, be it the performer or the audience..It is ok for the audience to ask for basic conveniences such as a comfortable environment, proper seating, basic restroom needs etc ..what is not negotiable is walking around disturbing the general population in a concert hall.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 23 Aug 2006, 20:03

rajeshnath,
You covered many valid points and gave us a few apt instances. kal kaNDu is kallu sakkare in kannaDA (crystalized sugar). How nice, wish I were there when GNB gracefully and smartly gave out kalkaNDU to kids! 'kallu sakkare koLLIrO' in kalyani with 'vAsudEvayani'.
You are right about 'vayiTRukkum saTRU IyappaDum' bit (you attend to the growling stomach too) before you come to the concert. Your views are tolerant and your suggestions practical. Above all, I find them constructive. And, I appreciate your reviews too. If you can jot down, describe and analyse the concert amid all that goes on around you, surely, we as audience can manage to ignore some of the distraction factors, I suppose.

I don't mean by this that cell phone fiends, toe steppers (ouch!) and humming with the artist (ugh!) persons, those who comment DURING the rendering--not between songs--and gossipers are to be tolerated. My only comment to them is a stare. If we practise group staring, things might change for the better...

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 23 Aug 2006, 20:55

Please read my previous post in the context of a true incident of GNB that is narrated by my periappa (it was hilarious to me when my periappa told)
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few steps to a solution that I am practicing for the last 5 years which has slowly made me to be less and less impulsive and more and more forbearing to use my senses to see goodness that is some times hidden so deep with many carnatic musicians . That 80 + aged rasika quote was wonderfully apt to all the rasikas who walk out with impulsive attitude (not those categories that arasi has put).You can visually imagine Impulsive attitude rasikas are those who react as they suddenly sat in a hot stove just at the beginning of the tani or very likely at the beginning of Shankharabharanam alApanai.

Arasi
Group staring is impractical to me, I am a one man army . In the BMK Jr concert on Aug 20th , when tODi alApanai began it was disgusting for me to see a person opening his newspaper ,talking with his friends in a small rAgasudha hall.I am sure BMK jr and his ensemble would have heard and I am speculating that his tOdi got hit . If I stared at that group it may be difficult for me to face the other consequences that can possibly come. I uttered not a word , sacrificed my vintage sweet spot that I sat and went to the front .

The same group was in SKGS yesterday at shri TNS concert on his ASK 1 concert . Those rasikas in that group are razor sharp in identifying rAgas ,they have helped me in identifying few ragas,sat farthest from them in SKGS sabha. It was easier to exercise that choice in a bigger sabha as SKGS. The bottom line when you are in a group you tend to talk(it applies to me also).
My id is rajeshnat(no h).

Mahesh3
If you had meant your point "there isn't a need to make up a hundred points that confuse everybody and make it hard to conform" on rajeshnat, well my answer is above. If not skip. Either way no hard feelings.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 24 Aug 2006, 01:14

rajeshnat,
Sorry, I misspelt your name.
I did read your (periappa's) story about kalkaNDu in concerts. That was why I mentioned Purandara dAsA's kallu sakkare song in my post. It is easy for us to spout our opinions (sometimes armchair attendees not being present in those Chennai venues you cover). Thanks again for your reviews. You almost take us there with you.
By group staring I meant--if many of us did that. I meant, if offenders were made AWARE of their insensitivity by a number of people. Of course, you couldn't alienate the discerning but inconsiderate rasikAs. It gets more complex as we discuss this problem! Look at the innumerable combinations of situations!
Coming to the performers, dependent on their mood and frustrations--over the organizers, sound system or something else, their tolerance level might vary as well. Like the sruti, all happy things should blend for the rendering and enjoyment of a concert.
Intolerance and indifference have no place in it.

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 24 Aug 2006, 05:30

Rajeshnat, It wasn't a dig @ u...I was being general