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Tadepally Lokanadha sarma@Gokhale Hall on Jan 23rd,2011

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Tadepally Lokanadha sarma@Gokhale Hall on Jan 23rd,2011
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Vocal : Tadepally Lokanadha sarma
Vocal Support : His son Sri Krishna (Dont know if sri is a title or his name is srikrishna)
Violin : Lalgudi VijayalAkshmi
Mrudangam : R RamkumAr aka Abode RamkumAr

Concert duration/Day : 2 hours and 35 Minutes/Sunday
Sponsors : Rasayana(coolkarni) :clap: in collaboration with Brihadvani :clap: and Suresh VV :clap:

Suresh VV partly sponsored this concert of Tadepally Lokanadha sarma , incidentally the banner was on his Dad naramsimhapuram V S Vaidyanathan. I did not know that he is doing it for the second time , last year perhaps went unnoticed when he sponsored Smt Gayarthri Girish concert .Very good suresh keep it up , your daughters closing remarks was also great :clap: .

Coming to the concert , it was a very different one from the usual rush rush rush type of concerts that most of the musicians sing . The songs were minimal and Lokanadha sarma has a very original approach .He started with a dedication to his guru, parents with his own krithi in hamsAnandi . Incidentally the start was bit unconventional , a hamsAnandi alApana made me wonder if cool's hindustani love has got into shri Lokanadha sharma, the krithi of hamsAnandi was more of an invocation, musical quotient was not that high but it predominated with more sahitya rasa.

The next no #2 in kalyAna vasantham was very different , when you hear you may not find a map with the usual kalyAnavasantham krithi of say a santhanam's nadaloludai or anyone before or after. I clarified with his son and he said my dad sings with a different dhaivatam , IIRC he said chatushra daivatam instead of the sudda daivatam is tadepally's Kalyana vasantham. I did not get that well accustomed sowkhyam of kalyAna vasantham in this rendition , but certainly it was a nice #2 .

1. Lakshmi subrahmanya(R) - hamsAnandi - Tadepally Lokanadha sarma
2 mins alapana sketch of hamsAnandi
2. nAdalOludai - kalyAna vasantham - T

If I Could say in one phrase this concert it was more of a "two raga two krithi concert ". The first of that was splendid , the contours of mAyamAlavagowlai was explored beautifully ,I could see a touch rather almost close to MDR there who is one of the best mm gowlai singers , there is always a sangathi and a rightful pause the alApana just opened out beautifully.He is a rare musician and he takes care to select a rare composer and the rendition of the krithi, a rare one "mAyAtheetha swarUpiNi " by Tanjore Ponniah. As he moved to the finish of krithi , I was thinking may be I missed a nice neraval in mmgowlai , but he came back to the right line "mAyAmAlavagowla desamuna mahimagala doraladhinta eeshwari??", there was a definite repetition in his neraval , but at times repetition just reinforces a touch of musical aesthetic stickiness in each of our heads to get the muse right. The neraval itself went for 18 mins with a very aesthetic return by the violinist. The swaras of the MMGowlai went long and he really presented with no big fireworks ,but it was really well thought out aesthetics . THE MMGOWLAI was the krithi of the concert.

The filler was sAma dhana , he kept on repeating that quite often and then went to sarasa sAma dhana , similiarly matta Lentho and then only itavu mAta lEntho, the kApinarayani was a slow filler not the usual MMI patented one and I liked it .

3. mAyAtheetha swarUpiNi (R N S) - mAyAmAlavagowlai - Tanjore Ponniah
10 mins alapana and 6 mins violin return
18 mins neraval in "mAyAmAlavagowla desamuna mahimagala doraladhinta eeshwari??"
19 mins swaras in mmgowlai
4. sarasa sAma dhAna - kApinarayani - T

When Submain was itself for 50 + mins almost like a main, the main was bit as long as submain.To an extent I did not find his tODi that exploratory in aesthtetics as much as his MMGowlai. The tOdi alApana signal was bit light for many sangathis. He sang the chinna annamacharya (grandson or son???) composition which was based on talapakkam annamacharyA. I was thinking that he did few bEdhams to revati in neraval , but his son clarified that it was not bedham but he sang few sangathis to reinforce "sAma veda saptaswara mulanu" where to reinforce those lines sAma veda he sang like vedic hymns. The swaras also had those revati like patterns .The tOdi swaras were expansive in time , But I would have preferred a more different expansiveness of rAga essence of todi.There was a bit of repetition which kept me less glued in todi.

5A. sara nanti mAthani sambanda (R N S T) - tODi - chinna talapakkam annamAcharya?
alapana in two stages with violin return for 20 mins
11 mins neraval in "sAma vEda saptaswara mulanu"
16 mins swaras
5B. tani for 5 mins

In the tukkadas he sang two of them , the first I asked where he got the right emote with this pathos filled subhapantuvarali beginning with a telugu slokham (this nAnATi paTUku krithi I heard last time as a main)and the second was a request by nageshwaran sir where he sang a lovely folkish tukkada of his guru chitoor subramania pillai

6A.telugu slokham "Okanamnadu?? " - subhapantuvarali -??
6B. nAnATi paTUku - subhapantuvarAli - AC
7. amma yashOdani - mishra mAnd - Chitoor subramania pillai
8. shree venkata nivasAya mangalam (RS)- madhyamavati

Few words about violinist:
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Lalgudi viji's play was really well done , her school is known to play violin with an emphasis of "No tampering of sahityAs". Overall there was lot of sowkhyam and she went with the flow of TLS.

Lot more words ;) about mrudangist:
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I dont know if Suresh came up with this name as abode ramkumar , certainly he played beautifully his guru's lovely nAdham and there was no overbang at all(known as UKS Way). Incidentally the tani was in khanda chApu which is very rare. Also when he played for mm gowlai , it must have given him a lifetime of chowka kAla experience , I atleast got reminded of MDR- LGJ- UKS atleast coming up again as TLS-LalgudiViji-Ramkumar and certainly they as a team got that closeness and zing (MDR fans like my late maternal thatha , please donot hurl missiles at me for this comparison to MDR :devil: :grin: ). His tani was bit too short.

Overall this musician gave me two polarized views . One in which I felt ,hey musicians can bring musical quotient with sahithya anubhavam (case of mmgowlai) and also felt is musical quotient getting lost because of too much sAhitya anubhavam (case of tOdi).

Overall a very good concert for 2 hours and 35 minutes, you have to definitely hear that 50 + minutes of melakartha 15 .
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Re: Tadepally Lokanadha sarma@Gokhale Hall on Jan 23rd,2011

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It is 'mAyAtheetha swarUpiNi' .

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and...
nAnATi baduku.

Rajesh, Thanks for the review. Wanted to hear about this concert by LN Sharma whom I haven't heard so far.
Didn't know our Suresh was a sponsor too. Happy to know that his daughter spoke so well.
Any sampling of that MMG?

Ram,
Mighty proud to hear about your excellent playing.
As for Lalgudi Vijayalakshmi, I find her to be such an agreeable accompanist.

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Thank you for the nice review, Rajesh. Kudos to the sponsors and organisers as well. The elaborate neravals must've been nice. Indeed, clips would be appreciated. :) MAyatIta swarUpiNi is a rare one and I haven't heard it from anybody other than MDR! The elaboration of two R1-D1 ragas is interesting...I generally prefer R2-D2 ragas - they just sound more easy on the ears. I don't know why.

Was there a good audience?

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I talked with 8) karni today.There was a video recording done by Carnatic Podcasts team , they should be posting it soon. I have also recorded only the audio , perhaps I will post it after the sabha patron sureshvv ;) decides on the sequence and if he explicitly agrees and gives a green signal to upload.

On audience front nageshwaran sir, uday, sureshvv and his family of 4 , mantra, coolkarni , me , few sabha patrons whom I know but those who dont post here, TLS family , ram's dad,rajumds,rbharath , VGovindan and his wife (VGV was honoured by TLS forgot that), all put together may be 25 to 30 . Rest of the crowd were stocks of Adyar Ananda bhavan small sweet and karam carrypack (suresh enna pa Jangri vechutayE :( , mmgowlai with soan papdi or kAjukatli would have been a better combo like this smilie :P )
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Re: Tadepally Lokanadha sarma@Gokhale Hall on Jan 23rd,2011

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arasi wrote: nAnATi baduku.
VAgeyakkara arasi,
I am not sure if it is nAnati paTUku or nAnATi baduku . karnatik.com lists as
naanaaTi baTuku
raagam: rEvati
....
Pallavi

nAnATi patuku
But I will certainly edit and add the big T instead of t in nAnATi

Punarvasu
Tx for your mmgowlai krithi correction, never knew that.

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bilahari wrote:I generally prefer R2-D2 ragas?
A Star Wars fan perhaps. ;) ;(

Congrats on what seems like a lovely concert. Hopefully the audio can be made available.

Arun

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arunk wrote:Congrats on what seems like a lovely concert. Hopefully the audio can be made available.

Arun
I add my congrats to the organizers. I guess us insanely jealous types in other places will have to wait patiently for the audio to be posted. :)

-Then Paanan

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Re: Tadepally Lokanadha sarma@Gokhale Hall on Jan 23rd,2011

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Thank you so much for that wonderful review, Rajeshnat!! I am rather new here, and it's taking a little guts to write out here, and I intend to read much more than I would write, but I simply had to acknowledge your writing! You have a very nice mix of friendly shout-outs, information and personal response, just what I would love to read in a review, yet rarely see. You have made me more than curious to listen to the introductory piece and the Nadaloludai, a beloved piece of mine, not to speak of the main pieces. And I don't want to miss mentioning the apt use of the smilies!! Thank you and please keep them coming.

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rajeshnat wrote:...
I am not sure if it is nAnati paTUku or nAnATi baduku . ....
Not to worry. I have seen it written (in a Telugu script book on Annamacharya kritis, no less) as 'nAnATi bhratuku' as well. I once asked a Telugu expert friend about this and he opined that "bhratuku" is the formal word and most likely the one that Annamacharya would have used (I am told he was quite the scholar, who created the Telugu equivalent of the vaishnava sampradaya corpus that is such a joy and item of pride in Tamil). 'paduku' and 'batuku' may be irregular versions that crept into the transmission. This is of course received information for me, so feel free to contradict with better sources.

-Then Paanan

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rajeshnat wrote:
On audience front nageshwaran sir, uday, sureshvv and his family of 4 , mantra, coolkarni , me , few sabha patrons whom I know but those who dont post here, TLS family , ram's dad , VGovindan and his wife (VGV was honoured by TLS forgot that), all put together may be 25 to 30 .
Hey you forgot me & bharath
Nick was very much missed.

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rajeshnat wrote:perhaps I will post it after the sabha patron sureshvv ;) decides on the sequence and if he explicitly agrees me and gives a green signal to upload.
You have my green signal. Please do at your convenience. Have never been a stickler for sequence :-)
suresh enna pa Jangri vechutayE :(
Was shooting for the unadulterated madras experience with Jangri and Madras mixture... Happens to be also one of my dad's favorite sweets. Will try to include coffee next year :-)

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rajumds wrote:
On audience front nageshwaran sir, uday, sureshvv and his family of 4 , mantra, coolkarni , me , few sabha patrons whom I know but those who dont post here, TLS family , ram's dad , VGovindan and his wife (VGV was honoured by TLS forgot that), all put together may be 25 to 30 .

Hey you forgot me & bharath
Nick was very much missed.
Happy to know that I was amidst such a fine gathering of rasikas...pity I could recognize none of the above except Bharath...didn't even know that coolji and sureshvv had a hand in organizing this concert until the end-of-concert speech/announcement...thanks for the event and the sweet packet! will remember the MMG for a long time, it is still ringing in my ear off and on.

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bilahari wrote:The elaborate neravals must've been nice!
Was amazing. Felt like only 4 or 5 words and each word was pronounced distinctly and separately. Never heard a neraval at this pace.

I generally prefer R2-D2 ragas - they just sound more easy on the ears. I don't know why.
I suppose because they are more upbeat and "happier". For me, R1 and D1 seem to make the raga kind of sad and morose. But it works in reverse with the nishadham. N3 seems more poignant than N2. I don't know why.

Was there a good audience?
Great audience! Especially when you go by quality rather than quantity. Virtually no one left in the middle.

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rajumds wrote:Hey you forgot me & bharath
Nick was very much missed.


:$ :$ :$

How nice to know!

But I'm never very far away. If not the next time you visit Raga Sudha Hall, then surely the time after that... ;)

Not to mention the surprise meetings elsewhere.

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Re: Tadepally Lokanadha sarma@Gokhale Hall on Jan 23rd,2011

Post by rshankar »

Very nice!! Congratulations on what seems to have been a wonderful concert!

Rajesh if you hear Smt. MSS version, she does sing 'bhratuku'. And please do not use the lyrics on karnatik.com to justify anything!! And, as Punarvasu mentions, 'mAyAtIta svarUpiNi' is correct - if the words are split, it should be mAyA atIta svarUpiNi.


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Re: Tadepally Lokanadha sarma@Gokhale Hall on Jan 23rd,2011

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bratuku and not bhratuku.

variants like baduku are acceptable in spoken language, but we know from the copper plates that annamayya said bratuku, so why change it?

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keerthi wrote:bratuku and not bhratuku.
..
Aha! I find the aspirated version in quite a few places. Are they two different words with different meanings or is bhratuku just nonsense?

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latter..

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bratuku and not bhratuku.
I thought so too, because that (bratuku) is what Telugu people use normally. Besides, it seems to be a native Telugu word (people knowing Sanskrit can clarify if there's a possible Sanskrit word from which it was borrowed), so bh is not expected here.

But thenpannan said that a book said bhratuku, so I thought that must be the correct one (and that my Telugu friends were mispronouncing, as is also common).
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On second thought, "bratuku" might be related to "breath", if it's indeed a loanword. What's the Sanskrit cognate for "breath"?

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Tyagaraja uses 'bratuku' in six kRtis.

"In many Telugu words this r is used optionally after the initial, as in मानु (mAnu), पक्क (pakka), किंद (kinda), तोव (tOva), सुक्कु (sukku) which are, in bookish Telugu, written म्रानु (mrAnu), प्रक्क (prakka), क्रिंद (krinda), त्रोव (trOva), स्रुक्कु (srukku) respectively." (Devanagari and Roman version of Telugu script mine)

http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadi ... splay=utf8

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Nice.

Resolved my long standing doubt about "p(r)akkala nilabadi".

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1. Lakshmi subrahmanya(R) - hamsAnandi - Tadepally Lokanadha sarma
2 mins alapana sketch of hamsAnandi
2. nAdalOludai - kalyAna vasantham - T

3. mAyAtheetha swarUpiNi (R N S) - mAyAmAlava glow :?: - Tanjore Ponniah
10 mins alapana and 6 mins violin return
18 mins neraval in "mAyAmAlava gowla desamuna mahimagala doraladhinta eeshwari??"
19 mins swaras in mAyAmAlava glow :?:

The vol1 upload of the above songs is in the below link(91,727 KB)
http://www.mediafire.com/?3x9fk0hf8qqq6gp

If one of you have a permenant acct please reupload and post the link.My link is from a free mediafire acct,not sure of the limitations

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srikant1987 wrote:...
But thenpannan said that a book said bhratuku, so I thought that must be the correct one (and that my Telugu friends were mispronouncing, as is also common).
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I should have clarified. My reading of telugu script is highly suspect to say the least, so the blame may be not on the book but the reader. In any case, as others have clarified it should be bratuku and as Shri Govindan avers "batuku" _may_ be ok too. Now if only Shri Govindan does the same for Annamacharya kritis (and Syama Sastri and Patnam kritis as well) that he has done for T kritis, I will not need to misremember and misquote. ;)

Now that Shri Govindan has provided the clue on getting batuku from bratuku, I wonder if I can go one step further and guess that 'paduku' came about from Telugu transliteration from Tamil transliteration from Telugu. That might explain batuku --> paduku. Sort of like the "Barber's bridge" in Chennai. :grin:

-Then Paanan

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Thanks Govindan for the clarity on this.

Then Paanan, though I do not know anyone who sings the song with paduku, your hypothesis on the cause of that, namely transliteration in Tamil for batuku --> paduku, is right on the mark.

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Now if only Shri Govindan does the same for Annamacharya kritis (and Syama Sastri and Patnam kritis as well) that he has done for T kritis...
tp,
SS Kritis is my next project after bringing T Kritis to a reasonable level of conclusion in a few months.It could be possible to take up Patnam kRtis because he hails from TN. But Annamacharya kRtis are beyond my capacity because I am not educated in Telugu - but only in Tamil - I can't even read Telugu script. Andhra Telugu is beyond my reach.

In any case, I can only pray to God to grant me the fortune of translating kRtis of other vAggEyakkAras also.

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[quote]because I am not educated in Telugu - but only in Tamil - I can't even read Telugu script. Andhra Telugu is beyond my reach.

In any case, I can only pray to God to grant me the fortune of translating kRtis of other vAggEyakkAras also[quote]

Sri Govindan Sir, the above reflects your humility.
I can say one thing for sure - that the way you understands Tyagaraja's krithis and your word by word translation of them is beyond the reach of more than 90% of the native Telugu speakers (including me) :clap: .
As you said, Annamacharya's sahityam is much more complex than Tyagaraja's but I sincerely hope and pray that with god's grace you will be able to do similar kind of work on other vaggeyakaras including Annamacharya. Ramesh

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vgovindan wrote:
tp,
SS Kritis is my next project after bringing T Kritis to a reasonable level of conclusion in a few months.It could be possible to take up Patnam kRtis because he hails from TN.
This is music to my ears (pardon the pun).
vgovindan wrote: But Annamacharya kRtis are beyond my capacity because I am not educated in Telugu - but only in Tamil - I can't even read Telugu script. Andhra Telugu is beyond my reach.

In any case, I can only pray to God to grant me the fortune of translating kRtis of other vAggEyakkAras also.
As was pointed out earlier, this is just your humility Sir. Speaking of Telugu script -- I remember well how I struggled to learn it. In pre-Internet days, getting lyrics of kritis was very difficult, especially in the US, and you had to make do with what you got, which often was Telugu script sometimes with meanings alone in English! After the advent of Internet I lost the habit of reading Telugu script and have now completely forgotten it.

If I may add, I pray to God to give you long life and health so that I have the fortune of reading your translations of many more vAggEyakArAs. :)

-Then Paanan

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Dear Rasikas,

MyCarnatic (www.mycarnatic.org), with the permission of dear Mr. Kulkarni, had the opportunity to record this wonderful concert. We are featuring it on the MyCarnatic concerts page for all to view. You may enjoy listening to the concert here

http://mycarnatic.org/concerts/?title=7

If there are any song/ragam/composer spelling issues with any of the song descriptions, please let me know!

Cheers :)
--
Raghu

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Raghukumar, thank you for the videos. The quality is excellent! I am midway through mAyatIta svarUpiNi and am very impressed by the rich timbre of TLS's voice. Indeed, Rajesh's comparison to MDR seems apt. Ah, the neraval is starting now. I return.

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4. sarasa sAma dhAna - kApinarayani - T
5A. sara nanti mAthani sambanda ???(R N S T) - tODi - chinna tirumalacharya (annamayya's grandson)
alapana in two stages with violin return for 20 mins
11 mins neraval in "sAma vEda saptaswara mulanu"
16 mins swaras
5B. tani for 5 mins

The vol2 upload of the above songs is in the below link(82,204 KB)
http://www.mediafire.com/?3nisp11aw3c3cg8
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rajeshnat wrote: 5A. sara nanti mAthani sambanda ???(R N S T) - tODi - chinna talapakkam annamAcharya?
the composer is chinna tirumalacharya (annamayya's grandson), as stated by TLS-garu and Smt Vijayalakshmi

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6A.telugu slokham "Okanamnadu?? " - subhapantuvarali -??
6B. nAnATi paTUku - subhapantuvarAli - AC
7. amma yashOdani - mishra mAnd - Chitoor subramania pillai
8. shree venkata nivasAya mangalam (RS)- madhyamavati

The last upload of the above songs preceded by a short speech by sureshvv's daughter is in the below link (30,337 KB)
http://www.mediafire.com/?r71799pyn9lnmfm

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