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cmlover
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Please post the results and discussions here so that those who want to experience the finals after seeing the Progam when aired can wait till then...

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Ragavendra is carnatic music idol 2011

Nandini and Iswarya 1st runners up

Vishnu dev 2nd runner up

people s choice Iswarya

best stage presentation Anahita

cmlover
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Thanks
Let the discussions of the event be confined only to this thread...

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Congratulations to all participants. You are all richer by the experience!

Congratulations to Carnatic music idol 2011 Raghavendra! - Just listening to his harikambhoji rendition, I knew he is going to go places.

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Wow - Congratulations Raghavendra. I am glad Nandini got the 1st runner up. Glad to see Aishwarya also as a first runner up.

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Congratulations to Raghavendra.Great to see Aishwarya as the first runner up.She showed a lot of potential.

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Congratulations to Raghavendra. Thanks to malavi for posting the results immediately.

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Congrats to Raghavendra. He clearly demonstrated his potential in the preliminary rounds itself. His musical parents must be very proud!

How long will it be before the finals are televised?

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congrats to Raghavendra and to all the participants of the contest. I am sure it would have been a great experience to all of them.

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Heartiest congratulations to the youngster Raghavendra.
In this context I remember my post in Rasikas.org a couple of years back.
Very happy for this talented youngster.

#9 - PUNARVASU

» 06 Sep 2008 17:53
BTW, Shri Raja Rao's son, Raghavendra is a talented youngster. Has he ascended the concert platform? I have seen him in some TV music competitions.

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Yesterdays programme started at 6.15 and by the time Idol 2011 was announced it was 10.15 Thanks to the non stop vala vala by the host Balaji.
out of the 12 contestants who had reached the finals, six were selected after the first round. In between last year s idol Bharath sunder was asked to sing for a few minutes.Many judges apart from the usual six were there and the chief guest was Sangeeta kalanidhi sri.T.N. Seshagopalan.
All the contestants were good in their own way,there were some plus points and some minus points in each of them.The most important thing we liked was the valuable advice given by Sri.T.N.S. to the contestants.The way he guided some of them was really nice and encouraging.when anahita was trying to switch over to poorvikalyani from chandrajyothi he advised her to start the tanam from gandaram.it helped her.When ishwarya was asked to sing tanam in kambhodi and pallavi in shanmukapriya he told her how to do it and she did it very nicely.All of them were awarded some prize or the other but Ganesh kartik was the only one who didnt get anything.He was one of the six finalists and he was very good.some of us who had gone to see the programme felt sorry for him.A couple of lady judges were also saying the same.Frankly speaking Raghavendra was not doing as we all expected him to do.We dont know how the judges
select the winner but ganesh kartik did very well.
We dont know what connection the dress of any candidate has with his singing capacity.From the beginning Balaji was commenting on ganesh s sherwani.once he said he somehow managed to get this dress.then he said he has such a long pocket and it is full of somany things he would even have his parents in that.at last he said go and give the duppatta to the person from whom you got it.it ws all disgusting.he thinks it is a joke.we dont know how gaesh felt but many of us didnt like such comments.some from the crowd shouted kadikkadeda arukkadeda etc.
Anyhow carnatic idol 2011 is announced and that is all.

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CMI 2011 is certainly a great platform for upcoming artistes considering the exposure they get from intereacting with great Vidwans like TNS, Ganesh, Kumaresh, SanthanaGopalan and Soumya. Thanks to Jaya TV for making it a absolute classy programme where the so called "Airtel Sooooper Singers" were kept at bay. At the same time I have few observations, which I guess the organizers may take it as a suggestion and see if they can modify the structure in the coming years

1. Balaji must reduce his loose tongue a lot. I have been watching this program from the first episode. One of the contestant (I think he came all the way from Sholingur) came in Pant instead of the traditional costumes. Balaji made unnecessary comments about this and his face became so small and he went on to plead for several minutes. Ganesh also again started on the same subject. Atleast Jaya TV's post production team should ensure that it is all properly censored.
2. Though I like the structure of the contest and questionning pattern, at times I found conflicting views and suggestions from the judges during the semi final and Finals, which left the participants confused at times. I guess a little more co-ordination between the judges could help the participants understand things better and deliver what the judges want.
3. In the finals, some of the questions related Pallavi and the 'Kanakku' expectations were slightly beyond the reach of upcoming artistes and it looked like the judges were trying to prove who is best among them. I am not sure how many performing artistes of today could understand and deliver what the judges expected.

Regards

Renganathan

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Who is Raghavendra's guru ? Congrats to him (Raghavendra).

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Punning is considered the lowest form of humour. NSG could not have lowered it any further when he asked one of the lady participants to "na(d)a bhairavi"

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G_G: Raghavendra's gurus; first his mother Padma Chandilyan. More recently Sanjay Subrahmanyan and advanced training from PS Narayanaswamy (I believe).

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Despite all my issues with it(mostly the judges and their randomness), I'm a bit sad that the programme is over.
Overall, my only gripe is that Anahita wasn't even on the runner up lists. I felt she was better(on the whole) than Aishwarya. But the rest was as expected.
Congratulations to all the winners. Looking forward to what Raghavendra has to offer to the carnatic music community.

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Congrats to all participants.
Bad luck Vishnu.. Heard from my friend who attended live show of semi's where Vishnu sung a mind blowing LatAngi . Also he was asked to sing like SSI which was done brilliantly. I think his best parts are not aired.. |( If he participates again I would better advise him learn tamil. See you soon in MA main slot.

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Undue hurry was shown in locking the other thread Carnatic Music Idols (2011)- JAYA TV Programme :clap:

venkatakailasam

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hello dear rasikas,
I wish to take this opportunity to thank all the ardent followers of CMI.
Whatever be your opinion, the very point that you have been following the show gives a lot of happiness to me as the director of the show. Catering a very niche knowledgeable audience, i was totally scared about how this show will be received, but true rasikas like a lot of people in this forum have made it a globally popular show. It will not only help us pursue more concepts based on classical music, but also give all the youngsters who participated a bright future.

in the year 2008, I happened to be in conversation with Shri Sanjay subramanyam on his blog, where i first revealed my dream of having a reality show for classical music. two years later it happened. Though commercially we are still crawling, I am sure the messages from various sources, like this blog would reach the commercial circles and help us do a richer job year after year.

My sincere thanks to the panel NSG,GANESH, KUMARESH, SOWMYA, SASHI KIRAN, GAYATHRI VENKATRAGAHAVAN, - They were not just judges. They helped me craft the whole thing in whatever shape it is today.

Pranams to my manaseega guru PADMA VIBUSHAN THE GENIUS DR BALAMURALI KRISHNA who inaugurated this the first year, and my sincere namaskarams to SANGITHA KALANIDHI T N SESHAGOPALAN, whose presence definitely heightened the aura of the finals. The gurus and maestros who spent time to train them and the large panel of stars and stalwarts who witnessed the making of new stars.

And of course to all the organisations who have adopted these talents in the form of concerts and recordings and V V SUNDARAM mama for the FLYING OPPORTUNITY.

The best thing that can happen to all the youngsters who entered the show is OPPORTUNITIES. so please do your best to encourage them, refer them and help them grow.

Whatever would be the comments on any forum, i treat it as a rainbow feed back. I may not be able to explain a lot of your doubts, that's professional ethics. But i am clear that not one move in the two years of competition has been out of code or betraying our moral conscience.

praying god to give us more strength to work ahead.
NAMASKARAM

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Neyvelli Santhanagopalan's attitude towards anahitha was abysmal to say the least, especially the NaTabhairavi comment. I feel only sowmya, GV and KN shashikiran have done a good job as judges. Also would have been nice to hear TN Seshagopalan ask more questions.

Very happy for the winners. Hope they all improve and become wonderful musicians for us to hear in the future :)

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Subhasree,

A good thought of yours that has taken into a beautiful shape.Congrats for your endeavour.I don't miss it normally.Around 10 days before when I didn't get Jaya T.V in my hotel @ calicut ,I shouted at them because I really missed this programme of yours.

The panel of judges is very very important for such programmes since many young children participate who are very naive and should be handled like a flower.While we the grown ups are unable to take some negative comments and suffer mentally no need to explain much about the plight of these children.I don't know but I feel Kumaresh may be replaced with some one more sensible.I didn't like when he barged in while NSG was quizzing Anahita.A judge can't and shouldn't have or display his personal preferences and prejudices in an open forum like this.

Why idolize only vocalists ? There is abundant talent waiting on the accompanying side.Pl.see if you can do a similar programme for young violinists.Probably you can have rounds to bring forth their talents on bowing,shruti-svara shuddham,solo and accompanying.You may rope in stalwarts to lend their vocal support to them.

Next may be for percussion.I know it will be very difficult.

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Congrats Subhasree on realising your dream. Though I didn't understand large parts of the programme due to language constraints, I was addicted. I will have withdrawal symptoms now!

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ganeshkant,
A good post. I agree with your comment on the judges. Some of them may be requested to avoid punning. They were very irritating.

As you say there should be similar program for the instrumentalists. Though I strongly support your suggestion, I would rather wait till the present venture finds strong roots. As Smt. Subhasree says the project as it is should become commercially viable. By spreading it thin we may lose even the present one.
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namasthe.

Suggestions from fellow rasikas noted.thanks for the same.

Vidyaarthi.

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Subhasree, welcome aboard. Congratulations on doing a program for the youngsters and keeping all of us hooked to it till the end. Congratulations to the winners. I am happy that Balaji announced what all were in store for the winners as that's how one would know what a big deal it is to be a carnatic idol.

I am looking forward for the US tour that Raghavendra would be giving. Would be nice to have his father Srimushnam Raja Rao play the mridangam for him.

All the best Raghavendra!

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TNS's motivational speech to the contestants at the conclusion was really rousing and showed off his class, especially compared to the vapid pun-filled observations of the panel of judges which I find mildly amusing at best.

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I really hope that the judges were well compensated, because the show, due to the constraints of limited time and the intent to make the proceedings more interesting, ends up showing them in poor light - overly critical, frequently smirking and just overall mean :-( It took a most excellent mayamalavagowla, bilahari and kalyani from Sowmya at the Rathnagireeswarar temple to overcome the bad vibes generated from the show.

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Namaskarams and thanks to Subashree Thanikachalam and Sri NSG for participating in this discussion (and my personal thanks to Sri Sashikiran for talking to me about the show earlier). Your sincerity and transparency is most appreciated.

No matter what you hear from the gallery (sometimes when you amplify the noise, it is hard to hear the music from the side of the rasikas), please rest assured that your efforts for the success of this program are greatly appreciated by the rasika community. This show is one of the best things to happen to the world of Carnatic Music and the artform in its globalized presence today. I am very glad to see so many talented participants and I can only imagine how amazing this experience must have been for them.

Look forward to seeing all of you in Cleveland and meeting a few of the young performers in person.

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The Comments made by the judges are irritating to the viewers. One judge was asking a contestant to include hand gestures and another judge asks another contestant to sing without doing any hand gestures. The young aspirants, budding artists, have very less or no stage exposure. Why give so much signifance to body language? How could MS and Aruna Sairam on both extremes have a huge fan following? Although the latter can really go OTT. The judges should just see the stuff of the contestant.

Regarding dress code, a guy from mofussil area came in pants as he had to travel a long distance. Instead of passing drastic comments, he could have been told mildly, after he finished his performance. Sowmya turned up in Zee Tamil’s Sarigama Sangeetha Mahayudhdham in a sleeveless salwar. She was called for the show because of her prowess in Carnatic Music. Was it a proper attire for a carnatic musician? Isn’t it plain hypocrisy on her part?

Considering the standard of the show, why can’t pallavi experts like Chengalpet Renganathan and J.Venkatraman from Alathur School, TRS or TNS be roped in as judges or at least to give special training to the contestants?

What is the criteria for judges? Should they have some star value? Including one or two expert teachers in the team will introduce a balance in favor of the contestants. They know how to put the contestant at ease and extract the right answer. As some one already told in this thread, when a contestant was struggling to switch over from Chandrajothi to Poorvikalyani, TNS gave a nice clue and she grasped it quickly. When the same contestant was asked to sing a varnam in tisram two speeds, the judges might have demonstrated it. For easy questions they demonstrate. This makes us ponder whether all the six judges are just good at only questioning.

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Thanks for joining us Subhasree ma'am. The effort put into this programme is immensely appreciated by all the rasikas.
Thanks for a great show. Looking forward to its growth every year. :)

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Smt. Subhashree, welcome, and thank you for sharing your views. I like the idea that you will treat the comments as a rainbow of feedback! Great attitude. I understand that it would be impractical and inadvisable to respond to individual comments, but I certainly hope that you would give credence to the themes that have emerged here - for instance, I think no one had anything good to say about the MC's way of conducting the show (I do not think there was anything directed against him personally, just his style - so that is something that can be easily addressed). Similarly, it may not be a bad idea to communicate to the judges on how not to come off on-screen. Finally, if the show has not prescribed any apparel restrictions, the judges or MCs should not mention it at all, even if someone shows up in the proverbial 'swim-suit'...on the other hand, I undestand that there is a certain expectation of how a CM performer presents himself/herself - so, it should not be improper to pose it as a requirement for the particpants right up front - the male performers to wear x, y, or z, and the female particpants to wear a, b, or c.
On another note, would it be possible to outline the efforts you took to realize your dream. I am sure it will serve as an inspiration to others.

Sri NSG (the eternal vidyArthi), once again, I am so impressed by your humility!

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We are immensely happy that our 5000+ strong Rasika community is being heard and appreciated by program organizers like Thanikacalam who can directlyy influence the media for more quality propagation of CM. It is nice of our dear respected Forumite NSG Sir to indicate that he is also listening to our comments. It is now important for us to be very responsible in what we say and how we say it. We have the power and potential to influence the propagation and future directions of CM. NSG sir aptly concluded that 'CM will last as long as the Sun and the Moon will last' as I pray our Forum will also last serving constructively the CM community globally. Jaya TV will certainly take us into consideration that they have a global viewership and interest (even from those who do not receive that channel, but from the dedicated services of our Forumites like vkailasam). So let us be constrctive in our comments.

Some of my random personal observations:

Pl make it a one-hour episode so we get to see more of the interactions. It is educational not only for the future aspirants but also for us Rasikas. We do get to discuss among us the subtle points mentioned as elucidated by the knowlegeables among us that help us appreciate CM better.

The panel of judges were excellent on the whole and kudos to them. NSG sir was indeed thought provoking pushing the envelope to the brink and was using humour and punning to lighten the mood and never to hurt anybody. Ganesh/Kumaresh were the double-barrelled guns who were very sharp in their questionings trying to unravel the weak points among the candidates. I enjoyed the facial expressions of Ganesh with the 'Mona Lisa smile' at times inscrutable but never stern or intimidating. There is a need for standardizing the terminology used so that candidates who come with differing backgrounds may understand what is required without getting confused. In fact CM requires standardizing the terminology as we start getting more and more technical. Sowmya could have been more helpful since she understands the candidates better as also GV who has spent more time with them. Sasikiran was always on the side of the candidates trying to be helpful since he knows them best from the start to finish.

It will be nice to have a laya specialist on the querying panel (like our Erode Nagaraj or Balaji) who can field and explain the laya/kaNakku based issues which is becoming more important in CM. It is better to be less intimidating since this area is weak even among seasoned vidvaans.

Though this is a Tamil TV, this program is watched globally by all Carnaic enthusiasts and hence the emphasis should not be on the language. No doubt the candidates must be queried on Sahitya which they must understand well and the burden is on the music teachers...

On the whole we are very grateful to the endeavours of Jaya TV in regard to all CM oriented programs (This, Margazh Utsavam, Cleveland telecast, Navaratri programs etc.,) as we hope the propagation of CM globally is in good hands..

Thanks one and all....

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The user 'vidyarthi' is NSG sir? I had no idea.
Namskaaram NSG sir. Very glad to see you're taking the time to read the posts made here. :)

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CML, well summarized!

I request fellow posters to please be civil in the way you exchange your views, especially when the producers and those involved are being so sincere about treating the feedback they receive here. So, whatever point you have to make, there is always a more polite way of making it.

@Subashree-avargal. Here are some other general suggestions for your focus group for next year's show (in addition to some of CML's very good ones from the post above).

1. Spending more time on each candidate, learn about their backgrounds, who they are. This adds a nice human element; makes the show more appealing. We are after all welcoming a new personality(ies) into the global CM world.
2. Consistent set of questions all around; perceived differences in difficulty levels make it appear like there are improprieties.
3. Help with areas where the candidate is struggling, by showing specific pointers. Give more specific educational feedback. Suppose a candidate is having trouble with harikamboji give them a passage from "Entarani" and have them work on it.
4. Less edited versions, so we can see the full range of talent; many felt that a good part of the show was not seen and this created more questions from everyone.
5. Have multiple rounds with specific themes: alapana, neraval, swaram singing, layam+kanakku, pallavi, kutcheri pantha etc. This will be helpful and educational for the audience as well. The modularity helps with grading the participants as well. So you could say participant x was great with alapanais, but needs to work on kalpanaswarams.
6. Have more transparency. Show the judges deliberating about a candidate, discussing specific strengths and weaknesses. I have been on several PhD defenses as examiner, and the most interesting stuff happens in the closed discussions of the jury/committee. For example, none of us saw what the concert list was that won the prize! Believe me, there are some forumites that fantasize about just song lists. I even started a thread some years ago for ideal song lists.
7. Have more audience involvement, in addition to just voting in the "audience favourite". Suggestions for questions can be solicited and the best question can be asked to each participant.
8. Although we understand that Cleveland is one of your key benefactors, playing down the Cleveland experience and presenting it as ONE of many things that the winning candidate will receive would be good. I am very glad that all those sabhas have signed the participants (sometimes all six finalists like Nadopasana).
9. And finally a repeat of CML's request. Longer shows! Some of us are addicted to this and dependency demands larger doses :)

Keep up the great work. Like Ravi (rshankar) said, I am so glad you treat this as "rainbow" feedback. We will patiently wait for the pot of gold next year.

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Let me add just one more in addition to what mahavishnu has added:

Let us know more about the background of competing candidates; their Guru, their musical training, durations etc.,
It is a good idea to flash their names occasionally when they are performing so that we get to know them better.
Finally let us know their address, email/Phone (if they and their parents are willing) so that they can be contacted when CM organizations (in India and abroad) plan to invite them independantly in future (not necessarily through the Idol program)

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Very nice of Smt. Subashree taking time to post here sharing her views. Congratulations on taking a good concept and shaping it into an interesting program.

The show is still in its early stages of development with potential to grow into a better one. My hopes are the future will see it address talent among youth, treating their tender aspirations with care and sensitivity, as displayed in some of the other programs like Ragaratna. If viewers can see that the contestants are comfortable and not confused by excessive technicalities or language barriers, the program would have gone a long way. Perhaps guidelines on expected levels of technicalities might help contestants prepare ahead of time. Although Raghavendra won the "idol", there are many winners among the contestants - a declared message will earn goodwill and reduce disappointment. This is key, since we hope the show is to encourage CM among youth. At the judges level, a prior professional agreement on the quiz format would help immensely and level the playing field. It can be equal and fair to all participants. No cutting off or interruptions among judges, please. Feedback through encouragement, highlighting the positives while suggesting improvements for weaker areas for each contestant would endear the program in a long way. In this regard, the show needs a sensitive compere, one who is hospitable to every participant without snide remarks on trivial details.

The show itself may be better culturally situated - not an imitation of an western "idol" concept. Promoting winners across several categories might augur well for the program as well.
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I'd like to add my wish list too, from the point of view of a US based rasika/organizer.

1. Make available DVDs of the entire program for purchase, both a as-telecast version and an unedited Full Version

2. Instead of bringing the winners just to Cleveland, take them on a US tour so that other cities in the US can get to see them (and they get to see the rest of the US). I realize these are youngsters who can't afford to miss school etc., for too long, but even a few weeks in summer would be great. You could probably bill the local sabhas for travel costs to their cities.

- Sreenadh

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Smt. Subashree : On the point that this is a Tamil TV program echoed by some, this Carnatic "Idol" program tries to promote a competition in CM - whose vistas extend far outside Tamil. If contestants with Tamil proficiency alone are desired to take part, then please plan your competition announcements accordingly and early. At least we will not have to watch talented youngsters like Vishnu wither away. Alternately, your panel of judges right from the start could include senior artists from Kerala, Karnataka, AP to represent CM more inclusively, with an understanding that non-Tamil participants will have an available recourse through translations to help them. This would raise the bar of your program.

I cannot reiterate how much the format needs to be fair and that the "winner" cannot be a foregone conclusion through inequities in quizzes, performance asked by judges, etc. Additionally, having reached the finals, all contestants must be assured of some minimum nurturing regardless of their ultimate "idol" win. That way contestants like Ganesh-Karthik and Anahita can walk away from the finals without being too discouraged. I hope you will consider changing the "idol" tag as well.
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My sincere thanks to Subashree and the Jaya TV for this excellent and energising programme. I am sure more and more up and coming youngsters learing carnatic music will be more motivated to practice more and present their skills not only in this competition but also in the kutcheri platform.

A big thanks to the judges for their services. I am aware of the criticisms levelled at them, but, with good reason. I hope they will take this in their stride and should they be asked to perform again, conduct a workshop prior to the programme amongst themselves to find consistency in their approach. I have to agree very strongly comments made by fellow rasikas on "punning". It is really in bad taste and unfair on the contestents. As judges you should be aware that you are not there to exhibit your vidwat, but to nurse the aspirations of youngsters who over the years could grow to the level of your stature.

A request to Jaya TV, for God sake, remove this Valavala MC and replace him with some one who has more sense and stature. I would readily recommend people such as Erode Nagaraj, Mannarkoil Balaji who are knowledgeable in music, whose comments are always tempered and steady and have great sense of humour. I am sure there are other people as well who will add colour to this programme.

Lastly, to my fellow rasikas....what a bunch of fine human beings you are....excellent taste, brilliant sense of humour and most importantly, a great sense of fair play!

Power to carnatic music!!

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Sam Swaminathan wrote:Lastly, to my fellow rasikas....what a bunch of fine human beings you are....excellent taste, brilliant sense of humour and most importantly, a great sense of fair play!
Power to carnatic music!!
Our motives are purely selfish ;) We need the best from next generation to feed our hungry ears :grin:

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For us,viewers, all the finalists were IDOLS, and the rest were 'idols in the making'. Thanks you so much Madam Subahashree and Jaya TV for making such a show happen. We also learnt a lot from what the judges said and observed. This show will thus create better rasikas who are needed fro CM to thrive.

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I have to come to the defense of vaLa vaLA balaji. Although he does go on a wee bit more than necessary, I like his irreverent humor and good natured ragging of the contestants.
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Sureshvv...purely in a lighter vein, there is a place and time for every thing and this is not the place for our Vvv! At a different time and place, say, Visu's drama (and assuming Vvv has a part in it) such irreverent humour and fast reactions would have drawn applause from me. I have seen in close quarters people like YGM, Visu.SVSekar and Mouli with their spontanienty to a given situation . I was part of such wonderful unit. Hmmmm...so long ago!

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How about Nivedita for Vvv?

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If vaLA vaLa balaji with his bubbly personality can enthuse some of the younger generation to Carnatic music, i think that would be a welcome outcome of his hosting the show. I am sure that is part of his purpose there and that he has the capability to do it.

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rshankar wrote:...on the other hand, I undestand that there is a certain expectation of how a CM performer presents himself/herself - so, it should not be improper to pose it as a requirement for the particpants right up front - the male performers to wear x, y, or z, and the female particpants to wear a, b, or c.
Think you are getting much too rigorous :-) Let's not all become starched and stuffed shirts here and lose the spontaneity that life has to offer!

Actually the attire brouhaha made for good TV. Snide remarks aside, the kid was given every opportunity and even acquitted himself well with his Bhairavi drawing quite a bit of sympathy from the audience.

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Re: Results of Carnatic Music Idols 2011 - Jaya TV

Post by ramdas »

Congrats Raghavendra.

Congrats Nandini & Iswarya.

Congrats Vishnu Dev.

Thanks Jaya TV for the Music.

Miss.Nandini has presented two concerts for Edappally Sangeetha Sadas at Changampuzha Park,Edappally.Kochi,Kerala in the

last 3 years.

Mr.Vishnu Dev has also presented a concert at Changampuzha Park 3 years back.

Congrats and best wishes to all the 5 winners.

Best wishes to all the other participants.

Visit http://www.changampuzhapark.com/

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Post by fuddyduddy »

a wonderful program! thanks for coming up with such an educative idea! a must see for all students of music!

i have been trying to promote carnatic music in my own small way and seeing this program is a great motivation!

will miss watching it..and thanks to vkailasm for diligently posting the videos!

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sureshvv wrote:If vaLA vaLa balaji with his bubbly personality can enthuse some of the younger generation to Carnatic music, i think that would be a welcome outcome of his hosting the show. I am sure that is part of his purpose there and that he has the capability to do it.
Then we can say 'balE balE Balaji'. :)

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Sri Ram Das - would you have any info on Sri Vishnu Devs teacher(s) and related matters?

It is very heartening to learn that Sri Vishnu presented a concert at Changampuzha Park three years ago - just checked the kendra site and it says Edappally, Kochi. My best wishes to him for a very successful and rewarding career.

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