T.M.Krishna:1 - N.Ram:0

[srikant1987]

But however Hindu has one million eye balls ;( ;( ;( vs reviews here have 200 to 300 eyeballs. |(

No, you are comparing the total number of The Hindu subscribers with the number of times the review thread's been Read. I don't think all The Hindu subscribers read the reviews it has. Indeed, even when I was subscribing to it, I wouldn't read every review in it.

Like TMK says, while I do like it when my favourite artists get reviewed positively, I often read them "praised" with something that wouldn't particularly apply to them (or, if I've attended the concert, to the concert).

[Nick H]

PS: Besides I (again in the very minority) really dont think critics play that important a role in guiding the art over generations. They have a role but a much smaller one than the collective role of the rasikas.

Possibilities...

--- In the past, there were a handful of names who were respected and regarded as authorities, and their reviews made a difference.

--- Reviews today might make a difference to the crowd followers, in the same way as a TV commercial might influence soap purchase. They may affect the populist sector of the market, but are unlikely to change the views or the concert-attending plans of serious rasikas

Just ideas, freely available for knocking down!

Rajesh, your experience is interesting to read: I did not know that you had actually tried the newspaper-writing experience. The subeditor's red pen is attuned to column inches, not content, and, even writer's for the world's best-quality newspapers suffer from the fact that their content is butchered by those with no knowledge of the subject.

If a million people read the Carnatic Music reviews, then I suspect that carnatic music, and the community attached to it would be a very different experience

[rajeshnat]

If a million people read the Carnatic Music reviews, then I suspect that carnatic music, and the community attached to it would be a very different experience

Nick
I stand corrected , Hindu reviews reach one million + eyeballs , I am assuming atleast 10% read those carnatic reviews by rolling their |( , that is atleast 100,000 eyeballs (50,000 rasikas) huge number is'nt it.

[ShrutiLaya]

100,00 eyeballs = (only) 5000 people !

- Sreenadh

[rajeshnat]

sreenadh,
I corrected the post, my math in post #52 was wrong .

[Nick H]

... and I was only joking.

In a speculative way ... wondering what it would be like if CM was actually a mainstream interest

[mahavishnu]

Just saw this posted by TMK on a popular social networking site.
http://www.thehindu.com/arts/music/article1525698.ece

Case in point. Look at the number of errors !

Sogasujooda not Saha su su
Thyagarajaaya namasthe - not Shri thyagaraja mahathe
Accompanists – R.K.Shriramkumar not R.K.Shrikumar
Etula brothuvo - chakravakam not Yathuna Pol and not bhairavam
Vaachaamagocharame - raga kaikavasi - not Vasaka Kosalame and not hamsanadam
Thappagane in shuddha bangala not Thathbathane in Mohanam

I would now say it is officially TMK: 2 - N Ram: 0.

[sureshvv]

Horrible stuff. So the chennai people have it relatively better!

[squims]

I read that post as well! That really is some bad stuff.

[Nick H]

Just saw this posted by TMK on a popular social networking site.
http://www.thehindu.com/arts/music/article1525698.ece

Case in point. Look at the number of errors !

Oh, this is dreadful, although maybe not quite as bad as the review example we dissected a few months back.

nothing-better-to-do-today :$ so, leaving the names and technical errors to the better qualified, here are one or two snippets of bad, wrong, or just plain horrible English....

Srirangam was rife with divine music during the two weeks that followed.

no: divine music was rife in ...

A number of music exponents offered their homage to the sacred bard on the successive days.

Might they mean something like musicians?

...presented with much felicity and consummate skill.

I'm glad the performer was happy, and there are certainly performers who transmit joy in their music, but is this what the author really meant?

Chaste music

Oh, no... that one again. Music with no censored word (there, got that in before the system did ). OK, this is not really wrong, it's just one usage (like rendered instead of sang) that annoys me)

It was a star-studded performance by T. M. Krishna (vocal), whose power-packed deliverance sent the audience to raptures.

deliverance? well, that's a new one, at least. sent the audience to raptures? Where, exactly, is raptures, and why didn't they stay to be enraptured? I wonder what he was in need of deliverance from? The sound engineer?

But hey, there are guidelines, so that's all right, then.

[natakapriyan]

Regarding the Tariff on Hindu. They change minimum Rs.1000 for publishing the events in EVENT column 4 Th Page (for all are welcome-free concert and ticketed concerts)and the rate depends upon number of words.

Events are published at free of cost under "Chennai today" 2 nd Page.

Organiser has to spend
Rs 2500 for Hall rent ,
Rs 1000 for Hindu Advertisement
Rs 1500 for Artist. Minimum for three artist which is Totaling around Rs 5000.

[Nick H]

And, for that, they can't even give subheadings under "drama, music and dance".

Shame on them!

[vasanthakokilam]

Let us make some lemonade of this lemon. Do any of you directly or indirectly have any connection with The Hindu? If so, pass on the message that as a great newspaper with a long history of promoting culture, they should have a separate subheading, as Nick suggested, in the 'for free' classified events in the Chennai Today section. If needed, we can all sign an online petition and e-mail it to them. It should be fairly inexpensive for them to implement Nick's suggestion.

[litmus]

It was a star-studded performance by T. M. Krishna (vocal), whose power-packed deliverance sent the audience to raptures.

Seeing how The Hindu's proof-reading is becoming reader-proof, I would not have been surprised if TMK's music sent the audience to the rafters

Seriously, though, I have learnt to not take N. Ram seriously. I get the funny feeling that The Hindu's decline somehow started when he took over affairs.

I am not a big fan of TMK's mouthing off about everything and everyone but this time I am compelled to agree with him for the most part. Strange, however, is that he would have taken on The Hindu which gave him free rein to vent his ire against what he claimed were instruments totally unsuited to CM, the keyboard in particular but including the sax and the guitar. The keyboard is now approved as a lead instrument by the AIR and I heard two concerts within the last 30-45 days on FM.

Krishna is quite quiet about it. Maybe another newspaper is willing to give him a go?

[Nick H]

I can't tell about The Hindu for more than the handful of years I have been reading it. I know that its standards of English and typography (eg stuff like hyphenation) have declined in recent years, and I suspect that they have either economised on sub-editors or lost the elders among them that really knew the craft. There are other complaints, too, that we may have about the newspaper, on different issues.

However, let us give credit where it is due. Actually, I think we have, and I am repeating the already said, but ---

The very survival of a serious newspaper is tough, anywhere in today's world. It seems healthy under N Ram. Not only that, but it flies in the face of mere commercialism (although it courts it in other areas) with the amount of space it allocates to culture, music and literature.

The Hindu aside, without Sri N Ram, would there even be a Music Academy today?

Perhaps the "litmus test" (that's a great user id ) is more demanding than the Nick test --- but I think that N Ram should be given rather more credit!

[venkatakailasam]

Some of the articles About Shri N Ram:

http://www.friendsoftibet.org/save/#one
'Save The Hindu' Campaign

Under N. Ram, the Hindu becomes a ‘sorry’ paper
http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2006/05/ ... rry-paper/

N.Ram and maR(a)N - Comrade at Arms
http://cosmicvoices.blogspot.com/2006/0 ... -arms.html

venkatakailasam

[Nick H]

Interesting stuff. I've often heard the newspaper criticised as being pro-Chinese: no I do not approve of that and, as I say, there other areas I have problems with too, like their much vaunted "stand" against paid journalism --- whilst much of the consumer stuff they carry seems to be undisguised press releases, and many of of their "features" and "supplements" figure in my remark above about courting commercialism.

Still, I stand by my comments in post #64 --- and I still buy the newspaper daily!

[harimau]

I am not a big fan of TMK's mouthing off about everything and everyone.....

You guys are taking this waaaay too seriously.

Between the two, N Ram and T M Krishna have figured out how to have TMK's name out in front all the time.

As a friend of mine said, "Vaishnava Janatho".

[uday_shankar]

Between the two, N Ram and T M Krishna have figured out how to have TMK's name out in front all the time.

And the process may be termed "Ram-Krishna Parama Himsa".

For the rest of us, that is .

[arasi]

idil ari enna, aran enna?

[Nick H]

You guys are taking this waaaay too seriously.

I used to often disagree with you. Now I find my self often agreeing.

Is this something I should be worried about?

[vasanthakokilam]

And the process may be termed "Ram-Krishna Parama Himsa".
For the rest of us, that is .

LOL ..very good

[cacm]

As a friend of mine said, "Vaishnava Janatho".

Dear H,
GOOD ONE!.......While it is funny actually there is more to it & its in keeping with the Marxist approach to History which Sri. Ram- not the Avatar one- used(?) to appear to embrace at one time for sure! VKV

[litmus]

Nick: Thanks for the compliment. I must admit, however, that when I choose the nick (oops!) I did not intend that meaning. It was a shortened literature-music that are two things that I am interested in. Knowledgeable? No.

Oh! and I still cannot get over the habit of reading The Hindu everyday.

I suppose we can agree to disagree on N.Ram. Would there even be a "Music Academy" today without Ram - Ahem! - we all know who will disagree with that.

uday_shankar: THAT is funny!

harimau: Ouch!

When I was a kid, a family elder statesman would refer to The Hindu as "Mount Road Mahavishnu" indicating its protective approach towards all the newsmakers.

[vasanthakokilam]

>a family elder statesman would refer to The Hindu as "Mount Road Mahavishnu"

[Nick H]

when I choose the nick (oops!) I did not intend that meaning. It was a shortened literature-music that are two things that I am interested in.

Lit Mus! I never suspected. Even better