Rqst for Lyrics etc of : Porpadam TuNai Enru ...

[Sundar Krishnan]

14/7/11 :
I would like to have the Lyrics, Ragam (PantuVaraLi ?), Taalam and Composer of this Uploaded song at :
http://www.sendspace.com/file/fhwk0r
Slight traces of Revati also ??

The Lyrics, as I listened to the song, goes like :

Porpadam TuNai Enru Nambi Vanden
Chit-Sabhai Natha, Shiva Kami Nesha

Thanks in Advance (TIA)

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[Lakshman]

porppadam tuNai. rAgA: nAmanArAyaNi. Adi tALA. Composer: PunitashrI.

P: porppadam tuNai enru nambi vandEn citsabhai nAthA shivakAmi nEsA
A: aDiyEnai kAppAi ambalavANA nargati tEDi EngiDum enakku
C: ittarai mIdu tunbattin ellai ettanai muyanrum muDivadE illai
cittattai sIrAkki shivamAgi ninravarkku nittamum nilaikkum un tavinruNarnda?

Sundar Krishnan: I have a question for you. Since you have the audio available for the requested song, and you seem to have good knowledge of CM, how come you don't make an effort to write down the complete text of the song and post it for corrections?

[Sundar Krishnan]

14/7/11
Shri Lakshman, I thank you for the many Lyrics that you post for us.

But, since you have raised a pointed query, here's my exact reply.

When listening to any song for the first time, it is very rare that I can get the complete lyrics to a confident level of satisfaction.
So, if you have observed, I usually phrase the Lyrics' query with a preamble, somewhat like :
"The Lyrics, as I listened to the song, goes like :"
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Further, I don't understand Telugu.
And I am also not proficient in "IlakkaNa Tamil" - so, even though I understand Tamil generally, I simply can't figure out the meanings of TirukkuraL or Tiruppugaz, or Divya Prabahndams, or TirumuRais etc.

And, I don't have a large Database. But certainly, I try to collect the parameters of any song that I have requested for (I call them the Meta-Data of a Song : Ragam, Taalam, Lyrics, Composer, Singer & other Artistes, any spl Remarks etc).
Which means that you will mostly not get a repeat request from me for the same song that I have requested, and which has already been answered (if it happens, it is a very rare exception).

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Sometimes, I am sure of the Ragam, at other times, I am not too sure.
When in doubt, I upload the song, and give my guess of the Ragam and Composer etc with a "?" suffix.
For eg, as in the recent case of the RTP Ragamalika, where you seemed to concur with my Ragams’ guesses that I had provided along with a very exact Time-line of each Ragam. {It is another matter that in that particular case, we still don't know the 1st Ragam - is it Abhogi or ??}
And in every Ragamalika case that I have raised here, I have always provided my Ragams’ guesses (ie, if I can guess), along with the exact Time-Line of the various Ragams of the Uploaded Song, so that there is no chance of any ambiguity at all.
What more can I provide at that stage of the query ?

And in this song's case, and in most other cases when I listen for the first time, I may not be knowing the Composer.
So, I first do a Google Search for any song that I come across the first time - often including any of the 6 Parameters, that I may already know, or guess, of the song.

If I am sure of any of the 6 parameters above (or if any of these 6 Parameters have already been answered in the Thread), I do NOT raise that parameter as a Query again in this Forum.

One more classification of query arises when a singer may choose to sing a song in a Ragam that is different from a more common Ragam used often for that song – as for eg, some of my queries have been on PD’s songs in this respect – you may be only too well aware of such queries of mine.

Hope this fully quenches yr curiosity.

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[Lakshman]

Thanks for the lengthy explanation. I am not suggesting that you identify the raga, tala and the composer's name each time. But surely you can write down ALL of the text when you listen to the song and post them. The errors, if any, can be corrected by members who who are knowledgeable in tamil,telugu, kannada, malayalam or hindi.

[Sundar Krishnan]

14/7/11

Sub : 90 –95 % level of correctness & completeness is necessary to put out for corrections

>> "But surely you can write down ALL of the text when you listen to the song and post them."

No, I don’t agree, for an incomplete, and possibly wrong information, is of no use to anyone.

Often due to lack of language proficiency, the words that we gather by just listening (for the first time), may be totally wrong – you would recall only too well, the case for eg, of the song :
Maragati Mohatiye - Valaji ?, Talam ?, PD, sung by VH
- my query of Apr-May 2010, for which after lots of search, you figured out the published lyrics in books (or in Ref Lits).

Further, the singer may not sing all the Charanams of a Song, or select only certain Stanzas of a long Shlokam. In such cases too, it does not augur well at all to just put out the lines that one has just listened to. The right way is to request for the correct, and full Lyrics.

For eg, in a CD, a popular singer has sung only selected Verses, and that too in a criss-crossed order : 1, 2, 8, 15, 3, 13 of a famous Stotram, and then jumped directly to the last 17th Verse, and then, started singing a Devi song in Abhogi.

I am not at all implying that it is wrong to change the Std order of Stanzas of a Shlokam, or to skip a certain Stanza, or a Charanam ; just that with this info, gathered purely from listening, one cannot just write out the Text, and request for confirmation. There has to be a certain level of correctness & completeness – atleast to the tune of about 90 to 95 % in each, before one can put up, and request for corrections.

I have nothing more to add on this subject.
So, if you have still not got the point, I cannot help. Let us leave it at that.

PS :
>> Thanks for the lengthy explanation.
But, I am afraid, yr “pointed query, and it’s tone”, did warrant a long explanation.

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[Lakshman]

Sorry if my words have upset you. My knowledge of telugu, kannada and malayalam are minimal and my tamil is a little better. From the lyrics that I post you would have noticed that I make many mistakes but other rasikas are kind enough to provide the correct words and I am very grateful.
I thought you might at least attempt to decipher the words and this is the only reason I made my comments.