Rao Saheb Abraham Pandithar

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venkatakailasam
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Rao Saheb Abraham Pandithar

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Here is an article about Rao Saheb Abraham Pandithar..
He was a prolific composer and composed several kritis in chaste ragas in praise of Jesus Christ.
http://www.thehindu.com/arts/books/article3716867.ece

Some more details can be from another The Hindu clipping..

http://www.thehindu.com/arts/history-an ... 451531.ece

wiki has provided some datails at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Pandithar

Any of his compositions are available??

thanjavooran
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Thanx for the link. In my childhood days I remember to have seen his descendants playing violin wearing special head gear at the Big temple function. We as students in those days used to visit Pandithar thottam on excursion arranged by school every year.

Thanjavooran 06 08 2012

arasi
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Thanjavooran,
Fond memories indeed, from your childhood!

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Venkitakailasam,
Thanks for the info on Abraham Pandithar. It shows anybody who is interested in Carnatic music can learn that. Looks like he was someone interested in many things. This brings to my mind, Vedanayakam Pillai, another composer from Tirunelveli, who composed songs in Carnatic ragas. He was a Christian, but composed Sarva Samaya Keerthanais ( All Religion music). He did not name any God, but just Almighty ( Hindus can construe him as Vishnu, Christians as Jesus and Muslims as Allah). He does not mention any name and most of his songs were about people running after wealth and having no time for God. It was kind of moralistic without preaching. He studied law and was a judge, so he mentions about lawyers in one of his song. It is said, he got tired of being a judge,listening to the follies of humans, that he retired and spent his time composing fine music from which people can learn good things. And now we have Jesudas, who learnt Carnatic music from Chembai and gave concerts in Carnatic music, before becoming a big movie playback singer. His songs on Ayyappan and Devi are endearing and we all listen to him.

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Sri Ponbhairavi:
The Carnatic Music Book Center, Chennai, has published the “Sarva Samaya Samarasa Keerthanai (சர்வ சமய சமரச கீர்த்தனை) by வேதநாயகம் பிள்ளை.

"எக்காலமும் உந்தன் பொற்கால் பணிந்துகொண்டு இருக்க நீ வரம் அருள்வாய்" is the Pallavi line of one of the songs. Muslims may not approve this song and a few others; but Hindus can surely use most of the songs to address Surya, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, Karthikeya, Vinayaka, Sakthi, Ayyappa ... ...
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Reproduced from
http://www.geni.com/people/Abraham-Pand ... 4457526019
Lawley mansion
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Karunanidhi Medical Hall
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About Abraham Pandither
A Well-known doctor of Thanjavur, was our ancestor , Abraham Pandithar.
Born on August 2, 1859, at Sambavar Vadakarai near Tenkasi to Muthuswami Nadar and Annammal, Pandithar was educated in Surandai in Tirunelveli and later qualified as a teacher at the CVES Normal Teachers Training School at Dindigul. However, coming from a family that boasted of several practitioners in native Indian medicine, it was that field which attracted him and in 1879 he went to the Surli Hills near Madurai to study herbs. Here, he came into contact with a Karunanda Rishi who initiated him into Indian medicine, besides giving him recipes to produce several remedies. Returning to the plains, Pandithar married Gnanavadivu Ponnammal and the two were employed at the Lady Napier Girls School in Thanjavur as Tamil Pandit and Head Mistress respectively. Their methods of teaching won them acclaim. In 1890, the couple quit their posts, in order that Pandithar take up research in Indian medicine. Purchasing a large tract of land outside Thanjavur, Pandithar converted it into a farm for growing medicinal plants.
Named by him as Karunanandapuram, it was referred to as Pandithar Thottam by the locals. At his residence in the city of Thanjavur, Pandithar opened the Karunanidhi Medical Hall to which patients flocked. His Gorosanai pills in particular, became extremely well known not only in India, but also in the then Ceylon, Burma and the Strait Settlements. The Governor of Madras, Sir Arthur Lawley and his wife, called on Pandithar on February 22, 1908 and praised his work. In 1909, the Government awarded him the title of Rao Saheb. Pandithar built a large community hall in commemoration of the Governor's visit and named it as the Lawley Hall. In 1911, Ponnammal passed away and a few months later, Pandithar married Bhagyammal.

The other passion

Music was the other passion of Pandithar, having learnt it from Dindigul Sadayandi Bhattar. Several musicians of south India were his friends and during his conversations with them he realised that while there was a considerable number of theories on srutis, swaras and their positions, none were easily accepted. How could a science without precision in its fundamental ideas and a house without a foundation ever hope to stand?' asked Pandithar. In 1912, the then Governor of Madras, Lord Carmichael visited Tanjore and a reception was organised for which several prominent musicians of Madras Presidency, such as Konerirajapuram Vaidyanatha Iyer, Tirukodikaval Krishna Iyer and Harikesanallur Muthaiah Bhagavatar were present. Pandithar placed his views before them and it was resolved that a musical Sangam was necessary to debate these issues. The Setupati of Ramnad agreed to be the patron. The Sangam had several objectives which included

— Making a study of such data as would tend to the development of south Indian music and to publish them.

To establish an Academy for the systematic teaching of South Indian music and its fundamental rules.

To arrange for examining of its pupils and others desirous of being examined and give them certificates.

— To deliberate upon and remove the doubts about some of the important items of Carnatic music.

— To reward distinguished vidwans by means of medals and honorific titles.

The Sangam met six times between May 27, 1912 and October 24, 1914 at the Karunanidhi Medical Hall. Sir V. P. Madhava Rao, the Tanjorean Dewan of Baroda, came to know of the Sangam and inspired by it, organised an All India Music Conference in 1916 at Baroda with the Maharajah, Sayaji Rao Gaekwad inaugurating it. Pandithar was an honoured invitee and his daughter Maragathavalliammal gave a demonstration of Notation in Indian Music, while Pandithar read a paper on Sruti. Returning to Tanjore, Pandithar imported and set up an electric press at the Lawley Hall, documented the proceedings of his Sangams and published them in two volumes, in English and Tamil, titled Karunamirtha Sagaram. These are used as reference works even today by students of musicology and music history.

Pandithar passed away on August 31, 1919, and was buried in the Thottam where he did his research. Today, the Lawley Hall, the Pandithar Thottam and the Karunanidhi Medical Hall, all of which are heritage landmarks in Carnatic music are well preserved by the Pandithar family.

The road leading to his house is named after him. Perhaps the greater tributes are the various conferences and research works in Carnatic music that followed his pioneering contributions.

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#4...... muduraimini..

Tamil Poet Samuel Vedanayagam pillai wanted his songs,including devotionals,on our concert platform,so he made them all universal in appeal. He generally avoided reference to God or Christ,he would use the word Ayyyaa....,he only knew whom he had in mind.

All ecexpt one particular song --Chittam eppadiyo ayyaa nin chittam eppadio--- in Nadanamakriya,where he revealed his heart with an explicit reference to "Karthar".Only if we listen carefully to the 2nd line of anupallavi......"Karthare nee yennai kaividuvoyo?",we can see it is a chritian hymn!...It is changed as kantane in the lyrics ...do not know at what level...

KVN,with his broad catholiciity of mind,hailing from Kerala,found the song beautiful as a lyric and sang it without any reservation.His rasikhas, mesmerised by lyric and kvn magic,started asking for it in all concerts.Thus the song became very popular before some over observant traditionalists noticed it was a christian hymn,a rare one indeed in our traditional kutcheri platform.


KVN simply disarmed critics with his sweet smile,Lalgudi and other instrumentalists put it on their regular repertoire.

Even today,its one of the most frequently heard songs in youtube and other media.

Shri KV Narayanaswamy-cittam_eppaDiyO_nAdanAmakriyA_vEdanAyakam_piLLai.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fqzJXN6GIQ

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Thanks, VKailasam!
Can't tire of listening to KVN singing this any number of times!

The bible, when translated into thamizh(and into any other language), searched for equivalent words in the local language. The creator is karthar, and so, God...
paDaithavan is more in vogue in songs than karthan (r). Creator has come from sanskrit kriyA?
Yes, the use of the word is biblical. However, his songs can be sung in any place of worship or as an invocation in gatherings.
Suddhananda Bharathi and others also have given us emmadamum sammadamE (all religions are respected) genre of songs.

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Sri V-Kailasam, true to KVN's singing of "karthArE" in the link you provided your lyrics under the audio then should reflect the same! not kantanE.

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smala,
I heard it twice and both times it sounded as karthanE to me.

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yes, I heard so many times..It is karthane only..

mala..I got the lyrics from one of the forums where it is stated kanthane....

somebody must have introduced it in between....we will go by karthane under the authority of Shri KVN......

Some more of his compositions are here...

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19769

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Venkatakailasam,
Thanks for the song ' Chittam Eppadio'. You are right. I stand corrected. He does say 'Kartane' in this song. May be has mentioned in some other songs too. But usually he says' Ayyane or Ayya without mentioning the name of a particular God. Sri K.N. sings Kartane not Kandane. Vedanayakam Pillai songs have been part of the CM circuit , as it was not a regular Christian hymn, but pertaining to all religions. They were in simple language and easy to understand.

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Are you aware that Geetha Bennett is the great grand daughter of Abraham pandithar...

here she sings a song by him...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjTRN2uOlbk

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Let there not be confusion!

Mrs. Geetha Bennett quoted above is NOT 'Veena' Geetha Ramanathan Bennett, w/o Dr. Frank Bennett, Composer/Percussionist.

Mrs. Geetha Bennett, 'great grand daughter of Abraham pandithar', is the wife of Mr. Jeyasingh Benett, who are dedicated to Christianity.
http://bennettsonline.org/aboutus/aboutus

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Absolutely , there is no confusion...that there is a great grand daughter for Abraham pandithar who had rendered a composition of him...

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Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking otherwise.

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Musical Tidbits -81
Abraham Panditar -1
( Aug 2; his birthday)

சங்கீத சங்கதிகள் -81

ஆபிரகாம் பண்டிதர் - 1
http://s-pasupathy.blogspot.com/2016/08/81.html

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Pratyaksham Bala wrote:Sri Ponbhairavi:
The Carnatic Music Book Center, Chennai, has published the “Sarva Samaya Samarasa Keerthanai (சர்வ சமய சமரச கீர்த்தனை) by வேதநாயகம் பிள்ளை.
His composition Karunalaya nidhiye - hindolam is an example.
Also Arul purivaai karunai kadale - is a secular composition - composed by Sudhdhananda Bharatiyar(??)

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Thanks to VKailasam for starting this thread long ago.

Pasupathy,
A timely post when we are discussing brahmins and CM in other threads!

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maduraimini wrote:Venkitakailasam,
Thanks for the info on Abraham Pandithar. It shows anybody who is interested in Carnatic music can learn that. Looks like he was someone interested in many things. This brings to my mind, Vedanayakam Pillai, another composer from Tirunelveli, who composed songs in Carnatic ragas. He was a Christian, but composed Sarva Samaya Keerthanais ( All Religion music). He did not name any God, but just Almighty ( Hindus can construe him as Vishnu, Christians as Jesus and Muslims as Allah). He does not mention any name and most of his songs were about people running after wealth and having no time for God. It was kind of moralistic without preaching. He studied law and was a judge, so he mentions about lawyers in one of his song. It is said, he got tired of being a judge,listening to the follies of humans, that he retired and spent his time composing fine music from which people can learn good things. And now we have Jesudas, who learnt Carnatic music from Chembai and gave concerts in Carnatic music, before becoming a big movie playback singer. His songs on Ayyappan and Devi are endearing and we all listen to him.
Can anyone provide lyrics if this song on lawyer by vedanayakam Pillai?Thanks

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The only place where the word Vakkil occurs is in the 6th caraNa of this song.

ninaippadeppOdu nenjE. rAgA: nAdanAmakriyA. Adi tALA. Vedanayakam PIllai.

P: ninaippadeppOdu nenjE aiyan padattai ninaippadeppOdu nenjE
A: pATTilum pala viLaiyATTilum dur viSayak-kATTilum buddhi tanai nATTi nAL kazhittAl
C1: dhanattaiyum mAdar yavanattaiyum uddiyOga ghanattaiyum eNNip-pala dinattaiyum kazhittAl
2: dArattaip-piLLaigaL samsArattai enni dur vyApArattilE namadu nErattaik-kazhittAl
3: pATTilum pala vinaiyATTilum dur viSayak-kATTilum buddhitanai nATTi nAL kazhittAl
4: taraikkuL oru jAN kuSi iraikkAda veLLaikkAra duraikkuk-kai kaTTi shgum varaikkum nAm uzhaittAl
5: pArukkuL varum kakSikkArAkkum pinnum inda Urukkum uzhaittu nam vIrattai kulaittAl
6: toNDai kizhittuk-koNDu shaNDai sheyyum vakkIlgaL aNDaiyil irundu nam maNDaiyai uDaittAl
7: jnAlattil peNgaL sheyyum jAlattaiyum nambi avar mUlattilE namadu kAlattaik-kazhittAl
8: uzhakkil terkku vaDakku kizhakku mErkkenru shollum vazhakkar perum samuddira muzhakkattil irundAl
9: vEda nAyakan vaLarkka tirup-pAdangaL marandu bhUta uDal vaLarkka kAdangaL alaindAl

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