What's in a name?

RKrishnamurthy · Post by **RKrishnamurthy** » 29 Oct 2012, 19:34

“What’s in a name”? asked William Shakesphere. A valid question as far as roses go. It is a different matter with us humans. If your name is not spelt correctly on your check, it will be returned by the bank. Worse still, if your names on the plane ticket and photo ID do not match, chances are, if you are traveling in the US, you will be taken away by the police. A friend of mine from Coimbatore sent me the review of a concert by Carnatica Brothers. The review, in no less a media than The Hindu writes about the violin and mridangam, “M.A. Sundareswaran (violin) displayed the Parur stamp in caressing the ragas in his solo versions and swara sallies. The young and promising percussionist, Rahul Krishnamurthi, provided quality patterns and his thani was of a high standard.”. The percussionist, of course, is Rohan Krishnamurthy. It shouldn’t take more than a minute or two for the reviewer to ascertain the names of the artists and be accurate. I understand that India is now obsessed with a certain “Raul” but that is no excuse to stamp every one whose name starts with an R as Rahul!

jeevanraju · Post by **jeevanraju** » 30 Oct 2012, 07:01

Ha ha ha. Isn't our country a "third world" country in every sense of the word? This is yet one example. Good luck for Rahul, sorry, Rohan in future reviews!

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 30 Oct 2012, 07:43

It is also M.A. Sundaresan, and not Sundareswaran. But as we've discussed many times over, the Hindu really doesn't hold itself to any standard of professionalism in these reviews! Be glad they didn't abbreviate his name as Raul Kris in an effort to save characters. :p

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 30 Oct 2012, 08:03

Isn't our country a "third world" country in every sense of the word?

Which is your country pl ?
What does third world mean in every sense of the word , please?

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 30 Oct 2012, 08:07

DNFTT

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 30 Oct 2012, 21:34

bilahari wrote:It is also M.A. Sundaresan, and not Sundareswaran.

I talked with MAS , he said in his school records his name is onlys sundareswaran and as a matter of conveniance , his name was shortened to sundaresan . He told me this during OLI concert.

jeevanraju · Post by **jeevanraju** » 30 Oct 2012, 23:07

Isn't our country a "third world" country in every sense of the word? Which is your country pl ?
What does third world mean in every sense of the word , please?

My country is India. I have traveled to the US many times. My name is a tongue twister alright, but all my collaborators in the US check with me over and over again if they are pronouncing my name properly. They come close but not perfect. The point is they are respectful of one's name and pay serious attention to upholding it. Third World, although it had its origins in a political context, now refers to the lackadaisical attitude that prevails in every walk of life in certain countries. Mera Bharat unfortunately is one of them. If you live in India, I am sure you know what I mean!

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 31 Oct 2012, 07:26

Understood .Thanks .

smala · Post by **smala** » 31 Oct 2012, 08:22

The Hindu has come up with this evocative brilliance, alerting a nation on getting into regressive ways, see below.

Why tar an entire paper with the brush when actually it may just be the music reviewer's shortcoming? To give The Hindu its due, it stands tall in fair objective reporting, far more professional than HT or the sensationalism-prone TOI can ever be.

First, watch this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnFM0vwQxvA

Then this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMd4xlS7OPc

uday_shankar · Post by **uday_shankar** » 31 Oct 2012, 09:23

jeevanraju wrote:My country is India. I have traveled to the US many times.

jeevanraju wrote:I am an NA artist but not a professional. I have a good job and have performed in Cleveland and received nothing as way of compensation.

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic. ... 24#p224824

jeevanraju wrote:At 70 I am not interested in any competitions nor am I capable of participating in one. But I feel I can still get a prize if I take classes from a Chennai based teacher who also is a judge!

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic. ... 91#p198891

A man for all countries and ages

.

appu · Post by **appu** » 31 Oct 2012, 12:05

Wow, This jeevanraju guy or gal shows up every time a topic on Rohan Krishnaswamy is discussed. Just as Uday Shankar mentioned A man for all countries and ages...

Aparna

mahavishnu · Post by **mahavishnu** » 31 Oct 2012, 18:46

appu wrote:Wow, This jeevanraju guy or gal shows up every time a topic on Rohan Krishnaswamy is discussed.

Not sure if that was deliberate. But the irony is priceless.

appu · Post by **appu** » 31 Oct 2012, 20:50

mahavishnu wrote:

Not sure if that was deliberate. But the irony is priceless.

Mahavishnu,

Wow, you catch up real fast. I of course meant it in jest. Glad you could see the humor in it.

Aparna

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 31 Oct 2012, 22:07

What's in a name?

To the PR department, everything --- so get it mentioned as often as possible!

RKrishnamurthy · Post by **RKrishnamurthy** » 01 Nov 2012, 00:05

[quote="smala"]The Hindu has come up with this evocative brilliance, alerting a nation on getting into regressive ways, see below.

Why tar an entire paper with the brush when actually it may just be the music reviewer's shortcoming? To give The Hindu its due, it stands tall in fair objective reporting, far more professional than HT or the sensationalism-prone TOI can ever be.[quote]

The intent is not to cast aspersions on the entire paper. We have had exemplary experience with the Chennai staff. In fact years ago, Rohan was asked to be a last minute substitute in a concert at the Indian Fine Arts. As we entered the main building,a black board positioned at the entrance carried the announcement written with chalk. Surprisingly the name of the mridangist had not been changed to reflect the substitution. A Hindu reviewer sat through the concert and wanted to write a very good account of Rohan. At the end of the concert, he walked up to the stage and was surprised that the mridangist was a substitute! He took out his note book, struck out the name as shown on the black board outside and changed it. That is indeed professionalism.
Dr Rama Krishnamurthy

smala · Post by **smala** » 01 Nov 2012, 02:09

I am a bit surprised. I thought this thread plus the first post was created/made by Rohan. The post previous to mine is from Dr. Rama Krishnamurthy. Why is this?

appu · Post by **appu** » 01 Nov 2012, 09:08

smala,

The first post was also created by Rama Krishnamurthi, Rohan's mother.

smala · Post by **smala** » 01 Nov 2012, 09:52

Thanks Appu. In that case, may I suggest, very gently, that Dr. Rama Krishnamurthy, could have taken up this name issue with the concerned music critic of The Hindu ? The Hindu staff do respond online, if a direct connect can't be made.

Airing the grievance here on Rasikas serves no purpose other than to cast aspersions on the paper, even if denied. At any rate, isn't Rohan old enough to fight his own battles, viz, take it up with the paper?

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 01 Nov 2012, 10:26

All in a day's work --- for a PR dept. Take no notice.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 01 Nov 2012, 10:33

smala wrote: Airing the grievance here on Rasikas serves no purpose other than to cast aspersions on the paper, even if denied.

It is not an aspersion if it were true. It may encourage the paper to me more careful. There are many instances of
people citing errors from the Hindu (most recently they put up a big picture of D.K.Pattammal while
reporting on an event celebrating D.Pattamal) which unfortunately has become fairly routine nowadays.

At any rate, isn't Rohan old enough to fight his own battles, viz, take it up with the paper?

Why do you assume it is Rohan's battle? Why are you fighting the Hindu's battle?

smala · Post by **smala** » 01 Nov 2012, 11:33

It is not an aspersion if it were true. It may encourage the paper to me more careful.

You think writing this complaint about The Hindu here in General Discussions on Rasikas, "may encourage the paper to me (sic) more careful. How so?

Why do you assume it is Rohan's battle? Why are you fighting the Hindu's battle?

How is it NOT Rohan's battle, if he is an adult?
My impression was that he had complained in post #1 which would have been understandable as a young man raised in the West, new to the ways of Indian newspapers. It is his mother who has written, I am told.

How did you assume I was fighting The Hindu's battle - when no complaint regarding this matter has reached them yet, for any battle to start?

I merely said The Hindu could have been approached directly, discreetly, to rectify the matter rather than air a grievance here -- does this translate to my "fighting the Hindu's battle?" Yes, I did support them saying they had much better news reporting than than others in the country. They can be prone to errors too...and can be corrected!

Are you suggesting that The Hindu staff regularly read Rasikas - and this section?

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 01 Nov 2012, 11:59

You think writing this complaint about The Hindu here in General Discussions on Rasikas, "may encourage the paper to me (sic) more careful. How so?

Nobody likes their mistakes pointed out in public. Even typos!

How is it NOT Rohan's battle, if he is an adult?

He may not care. His mother does. Why is that so hard to figure out?

Are you suggesting that The Hindu staff regularly read Rasikas - and this section?

Regularly or irregularly. I am sure they care about their business enough to find out how it is perceived outside.

smala · Post by **smala** » 01 Nov 2012, 12:29

Nobody likes their mistakes pointed out in public. Even typos!

Public? I was saying the error matter could have been taken up with *privately* and directly with The Hindu staff, typos or whatever. (your typo was already public, I merely quote)

He may not care. His mother does. Why is that so hard to figure out?

If that is true that he may not care, his mother airing her grievance here, not to her son or the newspaper directly, raises some issues.

Regularly or irregularly. I am sure they care about their business enough to find out how it is perceived outside.

I doubt that pointing errors made by The Hindu in matters/names related to music, here in Rasikas, will get seen by them even if they care about feedback.

So, back again to my repeat, why this circuitous via Rasikas route, when they can be contacted directly?

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 01 Nov 2012, 13:18

I am unable to understand whether such a lengthy discussion is necessary at all making some unsavory remarks

about the country.. ..

Let us spend more time in listening to some scintillating music elsewhere in this forum ....

smala · Post by **smala** » 01 Nov 2012, 13:23

venkatakailasam wrote:I am unable to understand whether such a lengthy discussion is necessary at all making some unsavory remarks

about the country.. ..

Let us spend more time in listening to some scintillating music elsewhere in this forum ....

My point, exactly, thank you Sri Venkatakailasam.

There was no need for the original post #1 to have been made here in Rasikas, that too by a senior member -- unless it was on a positive note to show how some error made, was corrected.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 01 Nov 2012, 13:31

Nobody likes their mistakes pointed out in public. Even typos!

smala wrote:

Public? I was saying the error matter could have been taken up with *privately* and directly with The Hindu staff, typos or whatever.

You misunderstand. When I said "Nobody", I included The Hindu. Whether they take it up privately is up to them. Do you know for sure they have not? That does not mean that it cannot be discussed here.

There was no need for the original post #1 to have been made here in Rasikas, that too by a senior member -- unless it was on a positive note to show how some error made, was corrected.

My last comment on this topic:

I disagree. Rasikas is a place to share all experiences, positive or otherwise. There is no explicit criterion that needs to be met for posting here. Of course it carries the risk of people misinterpreting intent and making personal attacks

smala · Post by **smala** » 01 Nov 2012, 13:45

You misunderstand. When I said "Nobody", I included The Hindu. Whether they take it up privately is up to them. Do you know for sure they have not? That does not mean that it cannot be discussed here.

I have been asking the question, ad infinitum, why not take up the matter with the paper. Do I know for sure they have not? No, I am sure - of nothing!

If they took it up with The Hindu, sureshvv, and had them correct it, or at least acknowledge the error, then why make this post# 1. It was an error!

If the matter was taken up and resolved, there is no such indication in that first post.

If the matter was taken up and resolved, It would be ungracious, to say the least, to then go on about it in the tone of "Look This Is Professionalism For You..." It merely sounds peevish.

I disagree. Rasikas is a place to share all experiences, positive or otherwise. There is no explicit criterion that needs to be met for posting here. Of course it carries the risk of people misinterpreting intent and making personal attack

First, it is not solution oriented, nothing instructive or useful to get from that post #1.

Second, all it did get was supporters to say something bad about the entire paper and then the country.

Third, it did get some like sureshvv, who jumped in with defense of god-knows-what, and who still has not answered my repeated query on why the matter could not have been taken with the paper directly.

Fourth, regarding Rasikas is a place to "share experiences..." since this particular post #1 had nothing to do with music per se, rather just a musician whose name was incorrectly stated, perhaps the Lounge was a better airing place.

Fifth, the only personal attacks, if one might call it that, as I see it, were on one jeevanraju, not that I support his views or statements.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 01 Nov 2012, 16:40

So many members are taking part in this thread...about a particular individual...not about his performance..but about a name being wrongly
indicated..
in between using detestable writings about a country where our forefathers belong..

How many of you have actively involved in these following threads? which contains nothing but carnatic music only

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20165

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20064

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19977

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=19908

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=19719
( all the 20 postings have been made by me only)

I hold my head in shame...about our interest in our music..

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 01 Nov 2012, 19:06

Point taken :$

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 01 Nov 2012, 22:41

Good point, Venkatakailasam. It is a phenomenon we widely see. When things are not controversial, people silently consume. It is not necessarily an indication of disinterest, But when passions, especially negative ones ( accusatory, self-defense..in that domain ) are aroused, things get quite noisy. Just as in real life.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 01 Nov 2012, 22:59

Had totally missed the "Rare Artists" thread... Will shut my mouth for some time

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 02 Nov 2012, 17:25

venkatakailasam wrote:How many of you have actively involved in these following threads? which contains nothing but carnatic music only

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20165

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20064

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19977

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=19908

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=19719

Can't expect everyone to be devoted to pure music like me!

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 02 Nov 2012, 18:01

I agree with you..srikant 1987...

jeevanraju · Post by **jeevanraju** » 02 Nov 2012, 18:56

My guess is the post was meant to reach the musicians in general and this is as good a forum to disseminate information as any. The question is even if musicians are made aware, what purpose does that serve? A glowing review in The Hindu, with names spelled correctly, guarantees no concert opportunities for a mridangist or violinist. They are based on factors which have nothing to do with merit. Similarly, a glowing review of a main artist does not guarantee and invitation to Cleveland or a tour of the US. These are also determined by factors that we shall never know. In the light of these, one might say, the posting by RKrishnamurthy was futile.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 02 Nov 2012, 21:42

(unrelated to this current topic)
jeevanraju, please check your email and get back to me by email. Thanks.
(I will delete this post in a few days)

jeevanraju · Post by **jeevanraju** » 03 Nov 2012, 05:41

appu wrote:Wow, This jeevanraju guy or gal shows up every time a topic on Rohan Krishnaswamy is discussed. Just as Uday Shankar mentioned A man for all countries and ages...

Aparna

I am apalled you are after me. Yes, I don't deny I am a fan and follower of this gifted mridangist. In posting my views, I am not attacking any body and why shouldn't you let me express my views.

appu · Post by **appu** » 14 Nov 2012, 07:16

I guess all mridangists can take consolation in the fact that reviewers do not discriminate among the new bees and the veterans. Check this link
http://www.thehindu.com/arts/music/all- ... 077301.ece

See how veteran mridangist TK Murthy is referred to as DK Murthy in the last paragraph. So Rohan take some consolation that the Hindu reporter at least mentioned your name albeit incorrectly.

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