Sri Matrubhootam - A Doubt

pattu · Post by **pattu** » 03 Nov 2012, 10:38

In the anupallavi of this song of Dikshitar in the raga kannaDa, there is the phrase, 'sOmam shirOdruta sUrya gangam. What does this mean? Siva has only the Moon on his head and not the Sun. Is there any other interpretation or is the word itself something else instead of sUrya? All books give only 'sUryagangam and all vidwans who sing this song also sing it as 'sUryagangam. Anybody, please help

RaviSri · Post by **RaviSri** » 03 Nov 2012, 20:56

Previously there was this debate in sangeetham.com about this. It was not resolved then. Now it has been solved. It is sUryagangam and sUrya here means the Sun.

The story of sUrya gangam is as follows: Once the Sun did tapas to Lord Siva who appeared before him and asked him what he wanted, to which the Sun replied that He, the Lord was always carrying the Moon on his head and that He should carry him, the Sun also. The Lord replied that He would do so at Tiruchirapalli. Hence, at the Matrubhuteswara temple, it is the Sun that the Lord carries on His head, not the Moon. The Lord here is also known as 'sUryashEkara'.

Another interesting thing connected with the song. The javanti (sAmandhi) flower also did tapas to Lord Siva and pleaded with Him to include her also in His puja like He was favouring the bilva leaves and other flowers, to which the Lord agreed. Hence you find that in this temple the Sivalinga which is bigger than what is usually found in other Siva temples sports javanti garlands and flowers. The Lord therefore is also known as 'javantinAtha'. Dikshitar refers to this in the charaNa madhyamakAlA, 'suvAsita navajavanti puShpa vikAsa priya....'

Something interesting connected to one of the members of this site: MKR's younger brother's name is Suryashekar. Many people belonging to Trichy are named Suryashekar.

uday_shankar · Post by **uday_shankar** » 03 Nov 2012, 21:58

RaviSri wrote:Many people belonging to Trichy are named Suryashekar.

But if I remember right, MKR told me they hail from Tirunelveli district (like I do) although they grew up in Bombay

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Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 03 Nov 2012, 22:16

Thank you, RaviSri.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 03 Nov 2012, 22:33

sOmaM SirO-dhRta sUrya gangaM ...
Some where I remember to have read..surya referred to here is the flower of Erukam plant which Siva wears along with Ganga..

quoting a Thevaram paadal..koluru padigam..I am not getting the link..just now..

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 03 Nov 2012, 23:17

Of course there could be many valid interpretations. I would go with what RaviSri has stated.
I also read this in Paramacharya's interpretation of Soundarya Lahari:
Shiva has also the name ‘Surya-sekhara’ because in many of the Shiva-kshhetras, there are certain days on which the rising Sun’s rays directly fall on the linga in the sanctum sanctorum.

Govindaswamy · Post by **Govindaswamy** » 04 Nov 2012, 05:18

The rising Sun will be exactly in front of any east facing temple (or any other building) on two days of the year. But the day advances by one day in about 73 years as explained below.
When the sauramAna pancAngam was introduced about 1750 years ago the Sun was on equator on cittirai 1 (April 14). Today Sun is on equator on panguni 7 (December 21-Autumnal Equinox) due to precession of equinox sAyanam. Hence calling cittirai 1 as Newyear day is wrong.

Govindaswamy · Post by **Govindaswamy** » 04 Nov 2012, 06:55

OOps!! I bungled.
The Sun is on equator on 21 March- Panguni 7/8. This is Spring equinox (முதுவேனில் காலம் தொடக்கம்). On 21 December (Winter Solstice) உத்தராயணம் begins (இளவேனில்). Hence calling தை 1 as உத்தராயாண புண்ய காலம் and சித்திரை 1 as New Year are both wrong. Most of the purohits, astrologers and temple priests do not know about this.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 04 Nov 2012, 07:15

#5...

I could get the link...

http://lite.mayyam.com/indcmusic/7191.1 ... 51.54.html

"Another mystery solved!-sUrya gangam!

As I had mentioned earlier,the very second meaning ascribed to the term 'sUrya' in many dictionaries is 'erukkam' plant.I tried to find some references to substantiate this meaning in shiva maha purana,skandam etc to no avail.But amazingly the tamil devara padigam-kOLaru trippadigam by St.TirugnAna sambandar mentions this:
'calamagaLODu erukku mudimElaNindu en uLamEpugundavadanAl'
'Since he(shiva)entered my heart wearing ganga & erukku in his head...'
Here calamagal is jalamagal=watermaiden=ganga
and erukku=erukkam plant.
Thus,we have both ganga & erukkam mentioned together as being borne by shiva-exactly what MD says=shirO dhRta sUrya gangam!!
Though we have not been able to find a sankrit authority for this(as yet),GnAnasambandar is himself an authority & we need not go searching for others.
So this is just a word play of MD as i said in my earlier posting:
'sOmam shirOdhRta sUrya gangam'
sOma is used to mean shiva instead of the moon;
sUrya is employed to mean erukkam instead of the sun!"

I am not sure whether the author Ravi of the quote above is RaviSri..

RaviSri · Post by **RaviSri** » 04 Nov 2012, 08:45

This erukkam flower meaning is also there. But here, what I posted above is found in the sthala purANA of the Matrubhuteswara temple. It is part of that particular temple's lore. There is additional evidence in the form of another kriti in the SSP, Part 5. The kriti is by Matrubhutayya and begins as. 'shambHo puramada shamana vibho'. In the last charanam, last line, the composer says, 'pArijAta mAtrubhUta santata druta dinakara shambhO. Now dinakara means the Sun. 'druta dinakara' means he who carries the Sun. See page 1415 of Part 5 of SSP for the start of the kriti and page 1417 for 'dinakara druta'. The song is in kEdAragauLa. In srI mAtrubhUtam, 'shirodruta suryagangam' means 'he carries the Sun and Ganga on his head'. This is specific to this shrine and not to any other Saivite shrine where the Lord carries the Moon and Ganga.

venkatakailasam, I am not the Ravi who wrote what you have quoted.

I know MKR belongs to Tirunelveli, but his brother's name is Suryashekar. He plays the mridangam and is known as Bombay Shekar. MKR himself wrote to me about this.

RaviSri · Post by **RaviSri** » 04 Nov 2012, 08:50

Matrubhutayya's kriti 'shambhO puramada' is specifically on Lord Matrubhuteswara of Rock Fort Trichy, just as srI mAtrubhUtam is.

pattu · Post by **pattu** » 04 Nov 2012, 09:09

Thanks a lot RaviSri for clearing my doubt. You are as usual thorough and meticulous. I go by what you say and also since it is there in the sthala puranam. The erukka flower meaning can be ascribed to Siva in general and therefore to any shrine, but here as far as the Matrubhutswara temple is concerned, since it is there in the sthala puranam it should be taken as the Sun, especially since RaviSri has pointed out the other kriti, that of Matrubhutayya.

The explanation of suvAsita navajavanti was also delightful and points to the meticulousness with which MD composed his songs. Thanks again.

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 04 Nov 2012, 12:47

Venkatakailasam wrote 'Somam is used to mean shiva instead of the moon '.

I also feel this same. Otherwise he would have written 'shirOdhruta sOma sUrya gangam'.

classicallover · Post by **classicallover** » 05 Nov 2012, 15:44

The word " erukkam " in Tamil is derived or related to " arka " of Samskritam. Arka is a plant whose common English name is " Datura " . The plant is the Sun's favourite and represents the sun. It has a long bluish-yellow flower shaped like a loudspeaker horn. Shiva is worshipped with " arkapushpam " . Moreover, arka is one of the twelve names of the sun , each one ascribed to him since he pervades 12 directions. " dwaadashaadityaa: " is the term for him. The 12th chakra in music is hence named as Bhanu Chakra. On ratha saptami holy day, the sun is worshipped as an element of shiva, with the arka flower. Devotees takes bath by dipping a leaf into the water or putting it on the head and pouring water on it. Why else Shiva would wear the flower or plant on his head !? All this is done because our way of living was very scientific. Such a bath was taken to remove any skin ailments. The milky secretion of the datura plant ( obtained while plucking a leaf or breaking a stem ) is very well known traditionally to cure corns in the feet.

We should not underestimate MD in any way !! Having been a Shrividya Upasaka, he knew many tatvas and shastras. His compositions tell us the geography, history, greatness , virtues of the kshetras & deities and also the responsibilities or functions of the deities and their devotees. If his compositions were truly taken seriously, many lost temples or sites could be excavated by the ASI.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 05 Nov 2012, 17:10

#14...

very well explained...

classicallover · Post by **classicallover** » 06 Nov 2012, 12:14

I forgot to mention one more point. The word " somam " does not mean Shiva. It means the moon only. The entire meaning can be understood if the anvaya ( prose order ) is seen . " somam suryagangam shirodhrita ..........maatrubhuutam hridi chintaye " . It should be noted that, all the words normally in the kriti are adjectives to Shiva , except for maatrubhuutam which is the object, hridi ( in the heart ) is the indicator and chintaye is the verb. Hence all the words in the anupallavi & charanam correlate & conform with the verb. The subject or karta ' I ' ( aham ) is missing because it is understood by its absence too .

Rajani · Post by **Rajani** » 07 Nov 2012, 22:03

Thanks Sri RviSri for the brilliant clarification. I have had this doubt for long.

Somam would mean Shiva. It is a synonym of Shiva and is derived as "sa + umaa" ( becoming a masculine word , therefore ) = "soma" - meaning, one who is along with Uma.

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 07 Nov 2012, 22:20

Agree.
Soma is a name of Shiva according to both Monier Williams and Apte dictionaries, with the meaning 'one who is with Uma'. Also the second vibhakti matches Somam to Matrubhutam, and hence it refers to Shiva.

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 08 Nov 2012, 06:20

sOma - (1) juice, (2) moon, (3) together with UmA

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 08 Nov 2012, 06:24

We also have 'sOmAskanda', an epithet of Shiva, meaning 'the one with umA an skanda'.

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 08 Nov 2012, 07:39

The word "erukkam" in Tamil is derived or related to "arka" of Samskritam. Arka is a plant whose common English name is "Datura"...

erukku (arka) is crown flower.
datura is known as 'thorn apple' or trumpet.
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smala · Post by **smala** » 08 Nov 2012, 08:07

Errukkam poo or Arka in Hindi/Sanskrit is not Datura. I just looked up Google - was shocked to learn that this thick flower/plant secretes a milky fluid that is fed to new-born girls in some rural parts.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thiru/4828957629/lightbox/

"Erukkam also known as CALOTROPIS GIGANTEA (botanically) from the family ASCLEPIADACEAE, is commonly called crown flower. It varies from light pink, lavender to a bluish purple. A white version is also seen. This species is probably native of Indian Subcontinent and is medicinal in value through its Roots, Leaves. Grows on waste lands, rubbish heaps or at sandy barren lands.

Also used for Lord Shiva and mostly its White erukkam poo and not the Pink one..."

Ramasubramanian M.K · Post by **Ramasubramanian M.K** » 08 Nov 2012, 09:14

Both Ravi Sri and Uday are correct about my and my brother Sekhar(Suryasekhar)'s antecedents-Titunelvelians to the core.
I am not competent enough to comment on the Krithi and Dikshitar's intent.

On a lighter vein and totally unrelated to the topic on hand,I may mention that Muthuswamy Dikshitar and myself have one common Hindu festival--Diwali--Dikshitar died on Diwali Day and I was born on a Diwali day--my Math teacher in School in Bombay used to comment in Tamil 'APPO IRANDU VARUNDA THAKKA SAMBAVANGAL NADENDRUKKU DIWALI ANNIKKE"(Translation: two regrettable events have occurred on Diwali day!!!!.

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread!! I just rushed!!!!

shripathi_g · Post by **shripathi_g** » 08 Nov 2012, 12:47

Unrelated question. Can someone point me to good renditions of this krithi? I have heard Madurai Mani Iyer's and a few others I can't remember but I'd like a good vilamba kala rendition.

classicallover · Post by **classicallover** » 08 Nov 2012, 12:56

I was telling someone else about Datura at that time and so it got here also by mistake. Yes. Datura or thorn apple is used to propitiate Ganesha. It is called " unmatthaphalavriksham " in Samskritam and " uumattangai " in Tamizh.

The arka / erukka plant grows even in rocky places with minimal amount of water. Even the white flower is common in many places apart from the pink, yellow-blue varieties. The milky juice of the plant is used in many ways - for good & bad too.

1. It can cure corns in the feet if the virgin juice is administered by a glass rod directly on the corns at specified intervals.

2. It is given to new born girls to make them voice-incapacitated or so atleast, if not for killing , akin to " kalli pal ".

3. If it falls into or comes into contact with the eye, causes blindness or occluded vision. This is the safest and cheapest way for the kidnappers to convert good children into beggars.

The anupallavi of the kriti goes like this :

soma sakham nata shuka sanakam nala | kaamaadi vijaya kamaniiyaangam ||

somam shirodhrita suryagangam - komala karadhrita kurangam guruguhaantaranga lingam ||

MD has used what is called shabdaalankaara here. Using same word twice or more to mean different things is an embellishment in Samskritam, found greatly in the kavyas of Magha & Dandi. Hence MD has used " soma " first time to mean " with uma " and the second time to mean the moon. MD normally never would use the same word to mean the same thing or use two words to mean the same person or thing without valid reason.

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 08 Nov 2012, 13:13

Soma sakham- what does it mean? If soma is shiva here, what doe 'sakham' mean? Friend?

classicallover · Post by **classicallover** » 08 Nov 2012, 16:51

As an offshoot, one story involving Datura . This may be known to many already.

The famous Shiva bhakta, Shri Nilakantha Dikshitar was told by his disciples that people are talking ill of his Shiva bhakti and that his bhakti was bogus. On hearing this, ND was livid and scolded his disciples for not having rebuffed the people who did not have that much regard for his bhakti. Then he told his disciples that he would swallow the " unmattaphalam " . Eating the fruit makes a person berserk without any relevance to this world. He instructed his disciples that, (1) they should write down every single utterance of his when he was mad. (2) they should administer the antidote given by him after a specified time when his Shiva bhakti is proved. (3) if he uttered even a single word which was not relevant to Shiva bhakti, he should burnt alive as such without restoring him to reality with the antidote.

He prayed to Lord Shiva, that if he was a true Bhakta, it is Shiva's responsibility to ensure that his devotee is protected.

The net result was that he blurted out the lyrics during his madness now known as the " unmattapanchaashat " extolling the virtues of Lord Shiva .

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 08 Nov 2012, 17:35

Gayathri Venkataraghavan is currently singing this kriti at the the Bharat Sangeet Utsav (listening to a live stream via radiowalla)! I wonder if she has been reading this thread?

smala · Post by **smala** » 08 Nov 2012, 22:55

"....Eating the fruit makes a person berserk without any relevance to this world."

It is well known that Datura, Nightshade Family [Solanaceae] introduces hallucinogens into the system, when consumed. Its uses have varied from Visions to Divination to Sorcery.

A famous person who wrote under its influence was Aldous Huxley.

"The name Datura, its generic name, is from the Hindu Dhatura (dhat=the eternal essence (of God)), which was derived from the Sanskrit name D'hastura.[1] Sacred Datura bloom at night starting early evening and typically closing around noon the following day..."

"...The tea from Datura is extremely hallucinogenic. The hallucinogenic effects are reported to be stronger than Peyote, Psyillicibin, or LSD. However, Datura is also very toxic and can cause permanent psychosis. Solanaceous plants such as Sacred Datura contain relatively high concentrations of tropane alkaloids, primarily Atropine, Hyoscyamine, and Scopolamine, the primary alkaloid being Scopolamine. It is apparently Scopolamine that produces the hallucinogenic effects. It induces an intoxication followed by narcosis in which hallucinations occur during the transition state between consciousness and sleep...."

Native Americans have had a long standing association with this plant, leaves, seeds....but always administered it to someone in the presence of Tribal elders who know what parts of the plant to add...

"When Datura is used in a Native American ritual, it is always under the guidance of an individual of certain tribal spritual resolve such as a Medicine person or tribal elder. These experts on the use of the plant know what other plants to add in order to neutralize the harmful effects. They also know how much to adminsister and when and where to pick the plants, such as age, season, time of year, whether under a full moon or no moon at all."

"In Native American tribes of the southwest, as is often the case with tribes elsewhere, in rites of passage, a young person coming of age would fast and pray for days in order to purify himself. In some cases, the initiate might be isolated or left in the wild alone. At the appropriate time, a Medicine person or tribal spiritual elder that would nominally be called by others than Native Americans, a Shaman, might accompany the initiate to a holy place, possibly a mountain top or cave, and a tea would be made from the roots, leaves and even the seeds from the prickly seed pod of a plant called Sacred Datura. The individual would drink this tea and wait for visions, and the initiate would definitely have visions.

Besides those sacred rites of passage, Datura, which is refered to in some cultures as la Yerba Del Diablo, but known to the Chumash people of California, the Mohave, Yuma, Cahuilla, Zuni and others as toloache from the Aztec toloatizn, "to incline the head" (and the person adminstering the Datura as a tolachero), has been used to hex and to break hexes, to produce sleep and induce dreams, and for protection from evil. It has also been used for divination, to find one's Totem Animal, to allow one to see ghosts, for communing with birds, for long hunts and strength, for sharper vision, for sorcery and to increase supernatural powers as in Aushadhis, the awakening of the supernormal perceptual states through the use of certain drugs and herbs. Like other tropane-containing plants that have been used historically for so called Flying Ointments, Sacred Datura has been used in certain rituals related to inducing the ability to fly through eating or drinking and sometimes an ointment (see). Datura is still widely used in the Caribbean for similar or all of the reasons as well, and called there "herbe aux sorciers" (herb of the sorcerers) among the various French speaking islanders. On the English speaking islands, Jamaica for example, those who practice the spellcraft Obeah are also known to incorporate almost interchangeably with Datura another Nightshade herb they call Branched Calalue...."
read more http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/datura.html

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 15 Nov 2012, 17:17

As an offshoot, one story involving Datura . This may be known to many already.

The famous Shiva bhakta, Shri Nilakantha Dikshitar was told by his disciples that people are talking ill of his Shiva bhakti and that his bhakti was bogus

Appayya dIkSitar not nIlakaNTha dIkSitar.

classicallover · Post by **classicallover** » 16 Nov 2012, 15:10

Agreed. It was an exchanged mistake.

RaviSri · Post by **RaviSri** » 21 Nov 2012, 11:09

shripathi_g, Below I have given the link to Brinda-Mukthas' rendition of Sri Matrubhutam.

http://archive.org/details/SriMatrubhutam-kannada-b-m

pattu · Post by **pattu** » 22 Nov 2012, 12:45

Wow, what a rendition! Beautiful and sublime are the only words one can think of while listening to B-M's srI mAtrubhUtam. 'Thanks' is a very ordinary word, RaviSri, my pranams to you and your great guru.

kittappa · Post by **kittappa** » 22 Nov 2012, 19:03

RaviSri, Absolutely mind boggling rendition. When I listen to B-M, I always wonder as to how do they sing like this. This rendition is much better than the srI mAtrubhUtam in the Music Academy 1965 concert that you gave me. Thanks a lot. I know you don't hoard, and you are not tightfisted like the other B-M disciples/rasikas, so, please give us such treasures from time to time.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 23 Nov 2012, 07:28

I am providing three 'Heart" blowing versions of the song...

MMI version...

shrI_mAtrubhUtam_trishiragiri-kannaDa-MMI.mp3

Dr. S Ramanathan...

shrI_mAtrubhUtam_trishiragiri-kannaDa-DR S Ramanathan.mp3

SSI version...

shri_mAthrubhUtham-kannada-mishra_Eka-SSI-mutthuswAmy-dhIkshithar.mp3

kittappa · Post by **kittappa** » 23 Nov 2012, 12:04

Excellent joke, venkatakailasam. Only you are capable of such gems in this forum.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 23 Nov 2012, 15:14

kittapa...jokes apart..

I consider SSI rendition was the best of all the four...

MMI is in the second position...

Third and fourth, I leave to others..

kittappa · Post by **kittappa** » 23 Nov 2012, 19:23

venkatakailasam, that's your opinion. SSI and MMI may be great musicians capable of singing excellent alapanas, niraval, swarams etc., but when it came to rendition of kritis, both of them were simply pathetic. The sahitya was always a casualty and worse, they were not capable of singing chauka kalam so much required by Dikshitar and Shyama Sastri. Speed, speed, speed was their style. As a result, bhava of the songs took a back seat. This is true of Ariyakkudi, GNB also. I have listened live to the srI mAtrubhUtam of SSI at least thrice and two separate recordings, one belonging to the early 1960s and the other 1988 (*or 89). Thirty years apart there was no difference in the speed of the kriti, the same hurriedness, no nidAnam, no soukhyam. Ramanathan's version is decent. But to me the best is B-M's. And for your info, SSI learnt this kriti from Brinda. To suit his style and his physical and tonal weaknesses, he had to add his typical sangatis which are totally out of place in this kritia and this ragam, especially in the pallavi, in the line "sugandhikuntaLAmbA samEtam". Where is the ethos of the kriti? He or MMI could not capture it.

I know there will be brickbats, but I request people to weigh this opinion without any bias.

classicallover · Post by **classicallover** » 23 Nov 2012, 20:58

Kittappa is at it again. What is the ethos or bhava that he perceives as not being there but desirable even in MMI's rendition ? SSI's record may have speed but there is a different dimension of beauty to it. If one is jilebi, the other is jangri and the third is gulab jamun.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 23 Nov 2012, 21:11

shri kittappa..

I am too small to give opinion..about Artists..I m not telling who is great among the four..

or who learnt the song from whom...

I am telling about this particular song rendered by the four after hearing them for half a dozen times..

I stand by my views...

Listen to the rendering by all with out bias..That is the way I set for myself...

classicallover · Post by **classicallover** » 23 Nov 2012, 22:17

Each one has his own taste or liking as I have pointed out earlier. They can be savoured differently in their own way, giving credit or benefit of doubt to each. Even if SSI learnt it from B-M, we cannot deny him the credit for singing it his own way. What kind of comments would come if MDR had sung it his way ?

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 23 Nov 2012, 23:41

Kittappa, of course there will be brickbats if you call other famous musicians' krithi renditions pathetic

BTW, all this talk of listening without bias etc. sound good, but why is that even a criteria? That is what we typically resort to when
arguments about music do not go anywhere. Let us face it, we all have biases. We pretend there is some universal
standard against which these are judged. ( let us leave that to historians to make that up ).

In my own experience, a lot of this is about our own self identification of who and where we are in this high art. It is about us, not them.
( I know it is a presumptuous and lofty statement in itself but give it some consideration )

After a few fights and long lasting scars, we will learn what classicallover states above. ( or without fights or scars but that is no fun

)
I do get into this kind of discussions with a few of my friends by email and believe me these things go on for years without any resolution

After a while, the discussion and that process is the fun part and not necessarily the resolution. So I am not dissing such discussions, they are indeed
enormously useful in discovering other points of view and getting exposed to new things.
There is significant emotional satisfaction in making someone come around to your view point but are we prepared to go around to their viewpoint?
Now that is something. Unfortunately, it seems only a minority of people can do that purely based on how that music sounds to them, most times the messenger matters disproportionately. That is a limitation of humankind as a whole ( 'Kazhudaikku theriyuma karpura vasanai' - contextual translation 'I do not want to take a music recommendation from a donkey'

).

In the meantime, ask yourself if you can you entertain a thought without necessarily accepting it. In earnest, not just at a surface level to be polite.
.

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 24 Nov 2012, 07:27

Let us face it, we all have biases

Here is mine .
A version better than all the four

http://www.mediafire.com/?51jye6cccxoa1x4

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 24 Nov 2012, 12:38

A lovely Veena recital by Shri KSN.....

http://soundcloud.com/sribkain/sri-matr ... kannada-ks

and also by Sanjay Subrahmanyan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqBDl0Wvmow