Improbable public statements

[rshankar]

I thought I'd start this thread to have such statements listed...
I'll start - from Jan 7, 2013, bharatanATyam is from North India, based on this clip!

[cmlover]

Or how about Carnatic Music is from Karnataka

[VK RAMAN]

How about Kerala has no CM background!!!

[cmlover]

Because Swati Thirunal's kritis were all pseudo composed by Vadivelu vadhyar of Tanjore quaterts after the Thyagaraja songs
In fact there is not even a CM background in Tamil except that the Trinity lived and composed in TN !
The ridiculous fact is that some of the veteran CM advocates firmly believe in these myths

[harimau]

I thought I'd start this thread to have such statements listed...
I'll start - from Jan 7, 2013, bharatanATyam is from North India, based on this clip!

And where exactly did Sage Bharatha (the author of Bharatha Sastra) live for you to say that Bharatha Natyam should not be classified as having some connection with North India?

For that matter, didn't Carnatic Music and Hindusthani Music share a common parentage and that it is only the Vindhyas that has kept Carnatic Music as the sole representative of the original music of India by keeping out the invaders and their music and dance?

And just to pay back all those Northies, hasn't Bharatha Natyam become practically the dance form recognized immediately as India's dance form though 8 different kinds of dance are recognized by Sangeet Natak Akademi?

To further that thought, if only Carnatic musicians would stop singing all those mournful Hindusthani ragas or incorporate Hindusthani phrases in Carnatic ragas, maybe Carnatic music can also sweep India just like Bharatha Natyam has done.

[sureshvv]

Because Swati Thirunal's kritis were all pseudo composed by Vadivelu vadhyar of Tanjore quaterts after the Thyagaraja songs
In fact there is not even a CM background in Tamil except that the Trinity lived and composed in TN !
The ridiculous fact is that some of the veteran CM advocates firmly believe in these myths

1. There are many other Kerala composers (uthama vaggeyakaras) other than Swati Tirunal

2. Tamil and Manipravala compositions exist of the trinity. GKB was a contemporary and Seergazhi moovar predate the trinity.

3. Please don't further your favorite myths!

[cmlover]

Thank you sureshvv for exploding my myth
I wish everybody were as enlightened like you

[Rsachi]

"There is no chauvinism in Carnatic music".

[sureshvv]

@cmlover: You are welcome! Eagerly awaiting more myths to debunk.

[VK RAMAN]

carnatic music is only for Hindu tamil Iyers/iyengars - look at the audience at concerts in Chennai

[cmlover]

In NA too!
sureshvv:
Here is yet another myth for you to debunk

[vasanthakokilam]

Before this all gets too confusing, remember, by default, given the nature of the title, your statements are statements of myths and not facts if you play by the rules of the thread title set up by Ravi. Meaning, the statements express widely held but false beliefs and something not believed to be true by the poster. I hope I got Ravi's intent right. The exchange between CML and Suresh is confusing to me. May be it is just me. Debunking a myth is unnecessary in this thread, right?. ( but if you want to do the opposite, namely, take the position that a myth is not a myth but truth, make it clear. What do we call this: Bunking a myth? ).

With that said, my favorite flogging horse: Mukhari is a azugai ( weeping ) raga. ( I even hesitated first to state this here because even stating it as a myth contributes to propagating this horrendously bogus myth. These kinds of sociological myths ( e.g. ingrained in popular culture and almost impossible to change ) are so bad that even people who know it to be 100% bogus hesitate to sing this raga for auspicious occasions for fear it may be frowned upon by others. I do not blame them for it but these are the unfortunate cases where a myth gets elevated to a 'crime' against an art form )

[cmlover]

"There is no chauvinism in Carnatic music".

Of course!
Nicolas Chauvin did not belong to any CM groups...

[cmlover]

OK VK

myth
/miTH/Noun
1.A traditional story, esp. one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically...
2.Such stories collectively.
Synonyms
fable - legend

I don't think Ravi is using in that sense.
I am using in the sense that 'something not true' but believed to be true by a segement of population.
sureshvv AFAIK took me literrally I presueme.
I think VKR is using it in the same sense as mine.

As a liguist you can resolve the misunderstandings

[cmlover]

I don't think the usage 'bunking a myth' exists in your sense.
The word 'debunk' is not derived from 'bunk' AFAIK!
Nick help!

[arasi]

Improbable public statements
or
Believe it or not!

Let's make one up:

"Mangalam has to be sung at the beginning of a concert", says a vidvAn in an interview.
(Improbable public statement or Believe it or not!)

[rshankar]

VK - you captured my intent - another thing I forgot to add is to add a link to a video or a write up to support the improbable fact that people claim is true!

[Rsachi]

"the intellectual energy plus digital device power consumption expended by rasikas in this myth discussion can power a small nation like Sri Lanka for a few years".

[vasanthakokilam]

Sachi: Is that an improbable statement as well?

[cmlover]

Improbable or not I wish Sacchidanandam had directed that power to TN instead
and the people will be eternally grateful

[VK RAMAN]

abhang and gitagovindam cannot be part of cm.

[Nick H]

I don't think the usage 'bunking a myth' exists in your sense.
The word 'debunk' is not derived from 'bunk' AFAIK!
Nick help!

Certainly.

A myth is ...an unmarried moth.

I hope you are not underwhelmed by this ]

No, I don't think that one can bunk (or rebunk) a myth. The language is full of words that look like they would work in different ways but don't. I had a heated argument once with a man who would not let go of his idea that godown was a conjunction of the English words go and down, because "it was obvious that it was." But then... heated arguments? I've had a few

[kunthalavarali]

"if only Carnatic musicians would stop singing all those mournful Hindusthani ragas"
How prejudiced!!

[VK RAMAN]

too much gOshti and body movement by vocalist!!!

[Rsachi]

Sir, others wear a kind of vest, but CM insists on vesti.
Similarly, others are happy enough with Gost, but CM elevates it to Gosti.

[cmlover]

Rsachi
IMHO what VKR is referring to is 'konaShTai' (contortions of the body)
If you have observed SSI during his hey-days you will know how risibly entertaining they were in
spite of his expert exposition of CM!

[vasanthakokilam]

I don't think the usage 'bunking a myth' exists in your sense.
The word 'debunk' is not derived from 'bunk' AFAIK!
Nick help!

BTW, just to mention the obvious, my use of that word was in jest

( But then, that is how the word prepone may have been born )

[Rsachi]

Sir, in 1972 MA season concert, I was seated a few feet away from the gyroscopic maestro, southwest of Vellore Ramabhadran, getting a ringside view. Lalgudi played the violin I think. There were three students singing and playing the tambura also.