Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
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Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
Please, help to find meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala composed by Ramnad (Poochi) Srinivasa Iyengar
(The text is below, i also have Tamizh version - scanned from the book "Compositions of Ramnad Srinivasa Iyengar", if any doubts about transliteration. Here it is - http://yadi.sk/d/cG4j9I3Z3muLq).
Many thanks in advance.
pallavi
dAni kOrikEnu niravErcuTakidE tagina samayamurA tAmarasAkSa
anupallavi
mAninI nIpai marulu konnadirA madanAbhi rAma shrInivAsa
ciTTaisvara sAhityam
sArataramai naLinAkSi ninuta vaci valapu mIri sogasugala nIratini saraguna cEkoni
sarasamADuTaku sadayuDaina prANaduni pilucu konirAvEyani karagi nAyeDa balikina
caraNam
dayayunci dAniveta dIrccurA
Ettugada svara sahityam
1 vEmATiki baDali ninnE kanavalayuna nenura
2 jAracOra yala sArasAkSi ninu cEra kOrinadi rArA krUra marubAri kOrvadurA
3 kalasvanamu gala kaliki malasi solasilali ninu kalayuTaku valacinadi vilambidamu valadu nIvu
4 dAni cartuta tara sarasa guNamula nEnu pogaDi telupa taramA atishayamugA
vanitA maNiki athara madhuni nosagi sukha paraci celimi cEyuTaku taginadirA ramaNa shubhakara
(The text is below, i also have Tamizh version - scanned from the book "Compositions of Ramnad Srinivasa Iyengar", if any doubts about transliteration. Here it is - http://yadi.sk/d/cG4j9I3Z3muLq).
Many thanks in advance.
pallavi
dAni kOrikEnu niravErcuTakidE tagina samayamurA tAmarasAkSa
anupallavi
mAninI nIpai marulu konnadirA madanAbhi rAma shrInivAsa
ciTTaisvara sAhityam
sArataramai naLinAkSi ninuta vaci valapu mIri sogasugala nIratini saraguna cEkoni
sarasamADuTaku sadayuDaina prANaduni pilucu konirAvEyani karagi nAyeDa balikina
caraNam
dayayunci dAniveta dIrccurA
Ettugada svara sahityam
1 vEmATiki baDali ninnE kanavalayuna nenura
2 jAracOra yala sArasAkSi ninu cEra kOrinadi rArA krUra marubAri kOrvadurA
3 kalasvanamu gala kaliki malasi solasilali ninu kalayuTaku valacinadi vilambidamu valadu nIvu
4 dAni cartuta tara sarasa guNamula nEnu pogaDi telupa taramA atishayamugA
vanitA maNiki athara madhuni nosagi sukha paraci celimi cEyuTaku taginadirA ramaNa shubhakara
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
Some corrections::
and some doubts about a couple of words.
dAni kOrikEnu *neravErcuTakidE* tagina samayamurA tAmarasAkSa
anupallavi
mAninI nIpai marulu konnadirA madanAbhi rAma shrInivAsa
ciTTaisvara sAhityam
sArataramai naLinAkSi *ninuta vaci?*[ninu talaci?] valapu mIri sogasugala nIratini saraguna cEkoni
sarasamADuTaku sadayuDaina prANaduni pilucu konirAvEyani karagi nAyeDa balikina
caraNam
dayayunci dAniveta dIrccurA
Ettugada svara sahityam
1 vEmATiki baDali ninnE kanavalayuna nenura
2 jAracOra *yala?* sArasAkSi ninu cEra kOrinadi rArA krUra marubAri kOrvadurA
3 kalasvanamu gala kaliki malasi *solasi lali* ninu kalayuTaku valacinadi *vilambitamu* valadu nIvu
4 dAni *cartuta tara?* sarasa guNamula nEnu pogaDi telupa taramA atishayamugA
vanitA maNiki *aDhara* madhuni nosagi sukha paraci celimi cEyuTaku taginadirA ramaNa shubhakara
{I cannot follow the tamil script}
and some doubts about a couple of words.
dAni kOrikEnu *neravErcuTakidE* tagina samayamurA tAmarasAkSa
anupallavi
mAninI nIpai marulu konnadirA madanAbhi rAma shrInivAsa
ciTTaisvara sAhityam
sArataramai naLinAkSi *ninuta vaci?*[ninu talaci?] valapu mIri sogasugala nIratini saraguna cEkoni
sarasamADuTaku sadayuDaina prANaduni pilucu konirAvEyani karagi nAyeDa balikina
caraNam
dayayunci dAniveta dIrccurA
Ettugada svara sahityam
1 vEmATiki baDali ninnE kanavalayuna nenura
2 jAracOra *yala?* sArasAkSi ninu cEra kOrinadi rArA krUra marubAri kOrvadurA
3 kalasvanamu gala kaliki malasi *solasi lali* ninu kalayuTaku valacinadi *vilambitamu* valadu nIvu
4 dAni *cartuta tara?* sarasa guNamula nEnu pogaDi telupa taramA atishayamugA
vanitA maNiki *aDhara* madhuni nosagi sukha paraci celimi cEyuTaku taginadirA ramaNa shubhakara
{I cannot follow the tamil script}
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
Pallavi
thAnikOrikenU neravErccuda kithE thakina samayamurA thAmarasAkksi
Anupallavi
mAnini nIpai maruvUkonnathirA mathanabirAma srInivAsa
Muktayi Svara Sahityam
sAratharamai nalinAkksi ninnuthalaci valapumIri
sokasukala nIrathini sarakuna cEkoni
sarasamAdudaku sathayudaina prANthuni
pilUcukoni rAvEyani karaki nAyeda palikina
Caranam (Ettugada Pallavi)
thayayunji thAnivetha thIrccirA
Ettugada svara 1
vEmAdiki padali ninnE kanavalayunanenUra
Ettugada svara 2
jAracOra yala sArasAkksi ninucerakOrinathirArAkrUra marubAri kOrvathUrA
Ettugada svara 3
kalasvanamukala kaliki malasi sOlasi nI nukalayudaku valaci nathi vilambithamu valathu nIvu
Ettugada svara 4
thAni cathUrathara sarasakuNamula nEnu pOgadi thelUpa tharamA athicayamugA
vanithA maNiki athara mathuni nosagicuga paraci celimijEyudaku thakinathirA ramana cupakara
thAnikOrikenU neravErccuda kithE thakina samayamurA thAmarasAkksi
Anupallavi
mAnini nIpai maruvUkonnathirA mathanabirAma srInivAsa
Muktayi Svara Sahityam
sAratharamai nalinAkksi ninnuthalaci valapumIri
sokasukala nIrathini sarakuna cEkoni
sarasamAdudaku sathayudaina prANthuni
pilUcukoni rAvEyani karaki nAyeda palikina
Caranam (Ettugada Pallavi)
thayayunji thAnivetha thIrccirA
Ettugada svara 1
vEmAdiki padali ninnE kanavalayunanenUra
Ettugada svara 2
jAracOra yala sArasAkksi ninucerakOrinathirArAkrUra marubAri kOrvathUrA
Ettugada svara 3
kalasvanamukala kaliki malasi sOlasi nI nukalayudaku valaci nathi vilambithamu valathu nIvu
Ettugada svara 4
thAni cathUrathara sarasakuNamula nEnu pOgadi thelUpa tharamA athicayamugA
vanithA maNiki athara mathuni nosagicuga paraci celimijEyudaku thakinathirA ramana cupakara
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
Meanings::
This is the proper time to fulfil her desire,Oh,Lotus eyed.[p]
The damsel is enamoured of you, ShrInivAsa,{ you are} Delightful, Beautiful,as Cupid,{ap]
The most excellent girl with lotus like eyes is reflecting on you,with exceeding desire,
She has accepted your passion at once,
she has told me to bring you, the Giver of Life, to share pleasantries{ with her}. She is wasting away.[c.s]
Be kind, put an end to her distress[c]
Over and over,she is exhausted,she tells she has to see you.[1]
Lover,Thief,[reference to kriShNa] to day, the lotus eyed girl desires to join you,come,she is unable to overcome the
cruel cupid's onslaught [2]
the girl with the charming voice,wishes and longs to meet you.[ You} do not delay[3]
Is it possible for me to praise and make known her artfulness, playfulness in excess?
The gem of the lady,is worth giving the nectar of lips.being kept happy,being friendly with.
ramaNa [husband,lover] the granter of auspiciousness.
This is the proper time to fulfil her desire,Oh,Lotus eyed.[p]
The damsel is enamoured of you, ShrInivAsa,{ you are} Delightful, Beautiful,as Cupid,{ap]
The most excellent girl with lotus like eyes is reflecting on you,with exceeding desire,
She has accepted your passion at once,
she has told me to bring you, the Giver of Life, to share pleasantries{ with her}. She is wasting away.[c.s]
Be kind, put an end to her distress[c]
Over and over,she is exhausted,she tells she has to see you.[1]
Lover,Thief,[reference to kriShNa] to day, the lotus eyed girl desires to join you,come,she is unable to overcome the
cruel cupid's onslaught [2]
the girl with the charming voice,wishes and longs to meet you.[ You} do not delay[3]
Is it possible for me to praise and make known her artfulness, playfulness in excess?
The gem of the lady,is worth giving the nectar of lips.being kept happy,being friendly with.
ramaNa [husband,lover] the granter of auspiciousness.
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This is the text, with reference to post::3
dAni kOrikEnu *neravErcuTakidE* tagina samayamurA tAmarasAkSa
anupallavi
mAninI nIpai marulu konnadirA madanAbhi rAma shrInivAsa
ciTTaisvara sAhityam
sArataramai naLinAkSi *ninu talaci*valapu mIri sogasugala nIratini saraguna cEkoni
sarasamADuTaku sadayuDaina prANaduni pilucu konirAvEyani karagi nAyeDa balikina
caraNam
dayayunci dAniveta dIrccurA
Ettugada svara sahityam
1 vEmATiki baDali ninnE kanavalayuna nenura
2 jAracOra *yIvEla ?* sArasAkSi ninu cEra kOrinadi rArA krUra marubAri kOrvadurA
3 kalasvanamu gala kaliki malasi *solasi ninu* kalayuTaku valacinadi *vilambitamu* valadu nIvu
4 dAni *caturata* sarasa guNamula nEnu pogaDi telupa taramA atishayamugA
vanitA maNiki *aDhara* madhuni nosagi sukha paraci celimi cEyuTaku taginadirA ramaNa shubhakara
dAni kOrikEnu *neravErcuTakidE* tagina samayamurA tAmarasAkSa
anupallavi
mAninI nIpai marulu konnadirA madanAbhi rAma shrInivAsa
ciTTaisvara sAhityam
sArataramai naLinAkSi *ninu talaci*valapu mIri sogasugala nIratini saraguna cEkoni
sarasamADuTaku sadayuDaina prANaduni pilucu konirAvEyani karagi nAyeDa balikina
caraNam
dayayunci dAniveta dIrccurA
Ettugada svara sahityam
1 vEmATiki baDali ninnE kanavalayuna nenura
2 jAracOra *yIvEla ?* sArasAkSi ninu cEra kOrinadi rArA krUra marubAri kOrvadurA
3 kalasvanamu gala kaliki malasi *solasi ninu* kalayuTaku valacinadi *vilambitamu* valadu nIvu
4 dAni *caturata* sarasa guNamula nEnu pogaDi telupa taramA atishayamugA
vanitA maNiki *aDhara* madhuni nosagi sukha paraci celimi cEyuTaku taginadirA ramaNa shubhakara
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
Interesting subject matter for a varnam, almost padam-like. I guess that is not uncommon for pada varnams, probably composed for dancers.
NaSa: Do you have the notation for it? Not for me to learn, this will be too difficult for me, but I am curious about how it is arranged, eduppu, arudhi etc. Any recordings? Thanks.
NaSa: Do you have the notation for it? Not for me to learn, this will be too difficult for me, but I am curious about how it is arranged, eduppu, arudhi etc. Any recordings? Thanks.
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
VK - this is a pada varNam - an old one, that too - so the sthAyi (all-pervading theme) is not surprising....
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
Right Ravi, understood. I now recall the Mohanam pada varnam you translated a while back, if I remember right. That is quite a bit along these lines, may be even more elaborately so.
It is a bit amusing, not in a negative way, that when we discuss the differences between varnam types we take to the description such as 'this has sahitya for the swaras and the other type does not' etc. which is all true of course but behind all those rather mundane differences lie a totally different context.
This leads me to a highly speculative thinking. Given that varnams were dance items to start with and pada varnams with a romantic sthAyi make perfect sense for an expressive dance form like ours, I wonder if the non-pada varnams are basically pada varnams with the lyrics for the swaras stripped out so it can be sung in non dance contexts. May be, subsequently, once that became a thing, people may have started composing varnams without lyrics for the swaras or with solkattu for the swaras both of which work in a non-dance context.
It is a bit amusing, not in a negative way, that when we discuss the differences between varnam types we take to the description such as 'this has sahitya for the swaras and the other type does not' etc. which is all true of course but behind all those rather mundane differences lie a totally different context.
This leads me to a highly speculative thinking. Given that varnams were dance items to start with and pada varnams with a romantic sthAyi make perfect sense for an expressive dance form like ours, I wonder if the non-pada varnams are basically pada varnams with the lyrics for the swaras stripped out so it can be sung in non dance contexts. May be, subsequently, once that became a thing, people may have started composing varnams without lyrics for the swaras or with solkattu for the swaras both of which work in a non-dance context.
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Thank you very much for such careful and beautiful translation!
dear Vasanthakokilam - here is the link to files (two pages) with notation:
page 1 - http://yadi.sk/d/PQkcd3_U3sgAK
page 2 - http://yadi.sk/d/U2rviQ1z3sgB4
and text in tamil - http://yadi.sk/d/cG4j9I3Z3muLq
(taken from the book "Compositions of Ramnad Srinivasa Iyengar")
dear Vasanthakokilam - here is the link to files (two pages) with notation:
page 1 - http://yadi.sk/d/PQkcd3_U3sgAK
page 2 - http://yadi.sk/d/U2rviQ1z3sgB4
and text in tamil - http://yadi.sk/d/cG4j9I3Z3muLq
(taken from the book "Compositions of Ramnad Srinivasa Iyengar")
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
Thanks NaSa. All of the major sections start on samam just like Adi thala varnams. I wanted to check if Jampa has anything different like the Ata thala varnams.
Took notice of the foot note that the 2nd ettugada swaras are to be sung in trishra-kanda patterns. Basically, the composer took the 10 times 4 units in chaturasra and rearranged it as 5 groups of ( 3 trisrams and 5 kanda notes ). It will be very interesting to hear that sung/played. It should have an alternating slow-fast feel ( rarefaction and compression ).
Took notice of the foot note that the 2nd ettugada swaras are to be sung in trishra-kanda patterns. Basically, the composer took the 10 times 4 units in chaturasra and rearranged it as 5 groups of ( 3 trisrams and 5 kanda notes ). It will be very interesting to hear that sung/played. It should have an alternating slow-fast feel ( rarefaction and compression ).
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Thank you for very interesting notice!
jathis in this varnam also feature the same - switch between gati within the same avartana.
this varnam is kind of challenge for a singer. don't you think? ^0))
jathis in this varnam also feature the same - switch between gati within the same avartana.
this varnam is kind of challenge for a singer. don't you think? ^0))
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
aaaaabbbbb wrote:Some corrections::
and some doubts about a couple of words.
2 jAracOra *yala?* sArasAkSi ninu cEra kOrinadi rArA krUra marubAri kOrvadurA
3 kalasvanamu gala kaliki malasi *solasi lali* ninu kalayuTaku valacinadi *vilambitamu* valadu nIvu
4 dAni *cartuta tara?* sarasa guNamula nEnu pogaDi telupa taramA atishayamugA
vanitA maNiki *aDhara* madhuni nosagi sukha paraci celimi cEyuTaku taginadirA ramaNa shubhakara
I am not familiar with the song so I cannot speak to the accuracy of the lyrics but offer my comments on the questions related to language.
2. yala or ela is a legitimate work in Telugu. You will find several Telugu film songs.
It means "tender", "reddening"
3. "lali" : You will find this word used in Annamacharya's keertanas. E.g., "lali vedacalleDu lakSaNuDu" . Don't know what the dictionary meaning is but it seems to be used in contexts where tenderness or lalitamu is to be conveyed.
4. Should probably be "caturatara" as has been pointed out by NaSa in post#3
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
{1}The words 'yala' and 'ela' are different.
{2}'yalamu' or 'vElamu' means 'auction'
{3}'ela' is tender. 'lali' means graceful.
{4}The telugu transliteration was 'solasi lali'
which would mean' languishing with love'.
{5]The tamil version was translated in which the word 'lali' was not present.
{6} The word 'caturata' was used.'caturatara' would mean 'most clever in artfulness,playfulness'
[thanks to kirti Ji's interpretation].
{2}'yalamu' or 'vElamu' means 'auction'
{3}'ela' is tender. 'lali' means graceful.
{4}The telugu transliteration was 'solasi lali'
which would mean' languishing with love'.
{5]The tamil version was translated in which the word 'lali' was not present.
{6} The word 'caturata' was used.'caturatara' would mean 'most clever in artfulness,playfulness'
[thanks to kirti Ji's interpretation].
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
On second thoughts, may the word [yala] be''yI vELa'?
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
yala or ela seem to fit in this context. Sometimes words and their pronunciations get distorted by dialectics. So ela may sound like yela or yala in speech.
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
As the word is 'ala', it would mean::
That way,the lotus eyed girl is reflecting on you,with exceeding desire.
That way,the lotus eyed girl is reflecting on you,with exceeding desire.
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
chetana, Savitriji,
1. I think the word you are debating to be I vela / Ela / yAla etc is 'ala' meaning 'that'. jAra cOra! ala sArasAkSi ninu jEra etc.. is a good fit.
2. catura-tara - most clever [superlative degree of catura(strictly speaking comparitive degree, but to be interpreted as superlative.)]
dAni catura-tara sarasa-guNamu etc.. will then make sense.
3. lali seems like a typo. Something is missing from that ettugaDe swara-sAhitya.
Nice varnam. VK, there is an audio clip of this one, sung by Allapey Venkatesan, on sangeethapriya
1. I think the word you are debating to be I vela / Ela / yAla etc is 'ala' meaning 'that'. jAra cOra! ala sArasAkSi ninu jEra etc.. is a good fit.
2. catura-tara - most clever [superlative degree of catura(strictly speaking comparitive degree, but to be interpreted as superlative.)]
dAni catura-tara sarasa-guNamu etc.. will then make sense.
3. lali seems like a typo. Something is missing from that ettugaDe swara-sAhitya.
Nice varnam. VK, there is an audio clip of this one, sung by Allapey Venkatesan, on sangeethapriya
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Thanks Keerthi. Found it.
It is in the folder svasu/UPLOADS-1001-1200/1060_AllepyVenkatesan
Thanks.
It is in the folder svasu/UPLOADS-1001-1200/1060_AllepyVenkatesan
Thanks.
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
kirti ji, Thank you for clearing the mystery.
I have edited post::13 accordingly.
Regards.
I have edited post::13 accordingly.
Regards.
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
Namaste,
Is it possible to get notation for this Varnam? my id is [email protected]
thank you in advance..
Regards
Is it possible to get notation for this Varnam? my id is [email protected]
thank you in advance..
Regards
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Re: Meaning of rare varnam in Vasanta raga, Jampa tala
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