NEXT YEAR'S SANGITHA KALANIDHI

[pattamaa]

I have an idea... why can't a committee meet and select ten SK awardee for next 10 years? it is not that, some one going to start performing next year onwards, and get SK award two years down the lane!! We don't have to get into this discussion every year !!

[tiruppugazh]

I am a great fan of Viswa, Bala, Brinda, TMT etc.

Lovely! So you are a fan of the ones who have been given the SK! I didn't bring caste bias into the picture. You are the one who originally omitted to even name the greats I mentioned. I only highlighted that. You don't have to listen to Rajarathnam Pillai to regret his omission in the SK. It is just an attitude problem.

[hnbhagavan]

Dear Sri KNV,

I strongly feel Vidwan GJR Krishnan and M Narmada should be in the list.
It would be great if Madurai GS Mani gets his due first.

[varsha]

tiruppugazh wrote
"I think KJY's inability to sing common ragas should also help his case"

https://archive.org/details/TodiJesudasAlapana

[hnbhagavan]

The list should include Vidwan GJR KRISHNAN and MRS NARMADA as these two have been performing for nearly 4 decades and represent two great violin techniques.
Due to the tall stature of LALGUDI and MSG,these vidwans tend to be ignored and did not figure under any list so far.There is no necessity to announce the awards for more than one year.This gives opportunity for Rasikas to air their views.

[venkatakailasam]

It is curious to see that there was no mention about Sangeet Natak Akademi Awardee
Ms. A kanyakumari….

In my view she should be a serious contender to sk…

Subbudu compared A kanyakumari’s music to the ever glittering diamond stud in the nose ring of the goddess Kanyakumari.

She has received innumerable accolades and praise from audiences worldwide and discerning critics for her innovation, accompaniment and solo performances while at the same time strictly adhering to the Carnatic music tradition.

It is her dedication and sincere hardwork along with the able guidance of her gurus Ivaturi Vijeshwara Rao, M. Chandrasekharan and M. L. Vasanthakumari which have groomed her into a front ranking violinist.

Her extensive experience spanning more than 4 decades combined with a sharp acumen and fine sense of creativity has earned her a distinct place.

She has evolved her own style of melodious playing and silken bowing which closely resembles vocal music rhapsodising audiences all over.

She has many successful creative innovations to her credit.

"Vadya Lahari" her brain child is a new combo of the violin, veena and Nadaswaram.

"Tristhayi sangamam" Confluence of 3 violins playing in different octaves portraying a special dimension.

"Carnatic Music Ensembles" of 25, 50, 75 and 100 violins as well as 100 instrument ensemble commemorating the millennium

A music piece "100 ragamalika swarams" which exposes her dexterity in bringing out the raga swaroopam in just one avarthana each.

29 hours non stop marathon performance

She has dedicated her life to music and is grateful to the Almighty, gurus, parents, students, sabhas, critics and rasikas for their continued support.

Recently she has composed 7 ragas bearing the names of the 7 hills of Thirumala.

This was exhibited by her on Independence day ..yester day…see
http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=21741

She is also a dedicated teacher and has taught numerous students in India and abroad, many of whom are very popular artists. She teaches without a price tag and generously encourages students to participate in full measure. She has also released Violin Lessons Tutorial VCD's for students who do not have access to learn directly from a guru.

Details gathered from wiki..

[KNV1955]

Venkat I endorse your view on Kanyakumari.
Tirupugazh - Our family knew TMT, Viswa, Bala ages before they got SK. Only from rasikas & elders I know of Rajarathnam Pillai or Rajamnikam Pillai Or TR Mahalingam or Pazhani Subramania Pillai. I haven't heard them. All other names I have mentioned I have heard atleast 1/2 dozen times. TMT I have attended all his Academy & Sastri Hall concerts. What is the attitudinal problem in this? Only you can tell. KNV

[Nick H]

The list should include Vidwan GJR KRISHNAN and MRS NARMADA as these two have been performing for nearly 4 decades and represent two great violin techniques.
Due to the tall stature of LALGUDI and MSG,these vidwans tend to be ignored and did not figure under any list so far.There is no necessity to announce the awards for more than one year.This gives opportunity for Rasikas to air their views.

Perhaps pedigree can be a disadvantage when it consists of a giant parent.

For Lalgudi Vijayalakshmi, not only the giant parent, but also having a brother may knock her down the list.

As my mentioned idealistic criterion of universal respect can, due to human frailty, never, never be achieved, it might be better just to scrap the whole thing.

[hnbhagavan]

I agree with Nick.Madam Kanyakumari is on the performing scene during last five decades and has produced wonderful performers.
Embar S Kannan is one of them.
It looks that due to the great talent pool available,there will certainly be some omissions.
But the following are sure to make the list:
SANJAY SUBRAMANIAM
TM KRISHNA
Vijaya Siva
Neyveli Santanagoplan
Bombay Jayashree due to sheer popularity (like Sudha)
Malladi Brothers
Ranjani and Gayatri

[KNV1955]

Bhagvan- Chances of Violin/Veena/Mridangam getting SK in the next 20 years will not be as high as in the last 10 years. There is a big list of huge crowd pulling vocalists in the waiting list. Imagine year after year Aruna Sairam/Jaishree/Nityashree/Abhishek/Sanjay/TMK/R&G/Visaka hari are drawing big crowds even during off season. It was not like this in 80's & 90's. Only Santhanam used draw huge crowd. The present gen Violin/Veena/Mridangam artists have not established themsleves like Lalgudi/TNK/MSG/Mani Iyer/Raghu/Sivaraman/Balachander.... They may end up getting SA. KNV

[hnbhagavan]

Dear KNV,

Thank you for your reply.I agree that the instrumental music is not pulling such big crowd as in earlier years.I analyzed this in the case of Sri GJR KRISHNAN.I felt that he should accompany the present day stalwarts,then simultaneously carry on with duet/solo performances.This was the way established by Lalgudi in his formative years.
I have attended the violin duet programs and the concerts are of top quality and they do not resort to gimmicks.The volume is also at a reasonable level and the effect is melodious.
Patronage to instrumental music is on the decline as it was evident in the Vadyavaibhava festival in Bangalore during Aug 7-11 in which only instrumental music was presented.

[venkatakailasam]

Crowd pulling can at best be only one of the criteria.....

If vocalists are going to deny the eligible instrumentalists,

we may have to suggest rather effectively for two awards each year one exclusively for Vocalists and another one for Instrumentalists ( wind, bow, Mirdangam etc., ))and

others ( like dance, upanyasams etc...) ..Even Bajans which are essentially based on CM can be included in this category ...

On the above lines, restructuring of MA, so far as it concerns SK can be suggested..

[hnbhagavan]

Dear Rasikas,

In every sphere,the number of posts have increased.It is time to revise the number for SK also.Each year have two one in vocal and one instrumental.

[KNV1955]

I agree with Venkat & Bhagavan. There is a case for instituting a sepearte award for instrumentalists. Some of them are outstanding like Varadrajan/Jayanthi Kumaresh/Eswaran/Narendran/Prasad/RKShriram/JV/GJR/Narmada/Nagai Murali .....huge list. But who will preside over the conference. Parallel sessions? It can be a motivating fctor to excel. i don't think it will be accepted by the Experts committee. KNV

[Rsachi]

It is a brilliant idea to institute two awards each year, to be given to one vocalist and one instrumentalist.
This will address the complaint that CM is denying instrumentalists as many chances.
To preside over the sessions should be easy for the two awardees to share the responsibility. It will also bring in new dynamics.
This idea is a bonus over and above the rasikas.org selection for 2014. So nice upsides here!

[KNV1955]

I left out an exceptionally talented Husband & wife. Anathakrishnan (Mridangam, G/s of Raghu) & Charumathi Raghuram (Violin). Ananthakrishnan in particular is bound to reach his Grand pa's stature. KNV

[venkatakailasam]

The Most conspicuous omission is that of Smt. E Gayathri, now Honorary Director of TN Music Colleges...

The ruling Tamilnadu Government's act of honouring our vedic instrument ..
Should not we also think on those lines??

Born on 9th November 1959,now, 54...
At nine, she performed before the Kanchi Paramacharyal (Senior Sankaracharya) who blessed her by placing a sandalwood crown on head.

At 10, she won the first prize in music-veena competition held by the Sangeet Natak Academy.

At 11, she received the award for `Child Prodigy` at the hands of Prof. P.Sambamurthy, eminent musician, musicologist and teacher.

At 12, AIR admitted her to `A` grade without audition.!!

Her playing Vishnu Sahasranamam is ringing in the ears of Balaji devotees. A prolific player..

[hnbhagavan]

Dear KNV,

The sessions chairing can be shared.The Music Academy Expert group should be convinced for having two awards in view of the long list of good musicians who deserve the recognition.I have also noticed that several other recognitions follow once some one is titled SK.In the present system,while a SK is flooded with additional awards,the NON-SK will be starved of recognition.
Being in Chennai Music circles,I am sure you will be able to take up the matter with Music Academy.

[Nick H]

Although VKV has opened with a name, and names and counter-names are inevitable, isn't the idea of the thread more the why than the who?.

[cacm]

Although VKV has opened with a name, and names and counter-names are inevitable, isn't the idea of the thread more the why than the who?.

YES! That's my fond hope....VKV

[arasi]

I'm glad there are others who echo my wish--something I've been suggesting on the forum several times in the past:

Two Sangitha Kalanidhis--one for a vocalist and the other for an instrumentalist.

[Nick H]

Sangitha Kalanidhi Bifurcated!

[arasi]

But 'by far, cate'rs to the need of recognizing more musicians in the coming years

[harimau]

cacm wrote:

YOU may not be let into the ICU! THANKS FOR YOUR HEALTH CONCERNS FOR ALL OF US.. If you consider it as a joke you I hope realise there are many who can suffer this blissful state because of their age or other reasons and may not like your brand of Smart-aleckiness. VKV

I was being quite serious and not being a smart-aleck.

After all, Sri Yesudas is to Sabarimala/Ayyappan and Guruvayur/Guruvayurappan what MS was to Tirupathi/Venkatachalapathi, in terms of how people think immediately of MS whenever the Suprabhatham is rendered. (I guess even this statement will be considered blasphemous by certain people but fortunately for me, blasphemy is not an offence in Hinduism!)

My point is that everyone dismisses Sri Yesudas as a classical musician for reasons of their own yet he has proved over 40 years that he does have what it takes: bhavam, ragam and talam.

I would like you to weigh him against the criteria anyone can come up with and tell the world why he is not a classical musician worthy of Sangeetha Kalanidhi.

In fact, no less a person than the critic Harikesanallur Venkataraman wrote last December in a review of Sri Yesudas' concert that he is a candidate worthy of serious consideration for the award.

[harimau]

Nick H wrote

Sangitha Kalanidhi Bifurcated!

Actually, there should be several.

Since Kerala has consistently gotten the short shrift when it comes to the award, we need to have 4 awards for each one of the four Southern states. If Telengana comes into being, we may have to make it 5.

What about NRIs? I think we should have a NRI Sangeetha Kalanidhi award too.

Considering that Kerala has contributed a huge number of musicians, maybe Kerala deserves two Sangeetha Kalanidhis a year.

[cacm]

Dear Harimau,
REG YOUR POST#74, MY REMARKS only had to deal with your apparent desire to watch evryone suffer heart attack just reading your post on Jesudoss. As one close to 80 who indeed might face that prospect soon I DO NOT wish to be reminded of such dire consequences reading your posts here which are usually above AVERAGE UNLESS IT was an attempt at a poor joke. YOU are capable of better attempts if a joke was intended....
Reg the main points of your remarks about Jesudoss I think VERY HIGHLY of his musical prowess & agree with many of the relevent points you have raised about him....I also happen to have met him a few times & seriously discussed music among other subjects in some details.
If I ever get to write my analyses giving weighted numbers etc he will definitely be a good example to analyse..... VKV

[cacm]

Nick H wrote

Sangitha Kalanidhi

Actually, there should be several.

Since Kerala has consistently gotten the short shrift when it comes to the award, we need to have 4 awards for each one of the four Southern states. If Telengana comes into being, we may have to make it 5.

What about NRIs? I think we should have a NRI Sangeetha Kalanidhi award too.
..........
Considering that Kerala has contributed a huge number of musicians, maybe Kerala deserves two Sangeetha Kalanidhis a year.

As a "MADARASI" and close friend, admirer etc of Sangitha kalanidhis like PMI, KVN, MSG, PALGHAT RAGHU among others who hail from kerala- I can write more names which start with PAlghat itself...Chembai etc are other names. I think you are WRONG when you talk about Kerala getting the short shrift. PL DEFINE WHAT YOU MEAN BY KERALA...
Incidentally I agree with you that Kerala has GREAT ARTISTS + AUDIENCES who ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND CARNATIC MUSIC. VKV

[Ponbhairavi]

The thiruvaiyaru sri thyagaraja utsava sabha does not give any award and it is an institution with auspicious standing in CM
-Now that we have the criteria ready, rasikas,org can institute an award and negotiate with the thiruvaiyaru sabha to have it delivered during their Annual aradhana celebrations
-The utsav committe and the award committee being distinct entities, there is greater chance of objectivity
-It can be a sangeetha concert kalanidhi award and can be given for the entire team of 4 or 5 which includes violin and upapakkavaadyams. The concert team will be composed by the selection committee and will perform on the date of the award with AIR and DOORDARSHAN relay
- The musical fraternity's participation is ensured(sthala visesham). We have to make the award as substantial as any existing one.
- If the N R I participation is whole hearted the monopoly polarization can be split, and it can even be started with a big bang from jan2014 !!

[cmlover]

Excellent idea
Let us work on it..

[Nick H]

vkv, I think that having a heart attack is something often used metaphorically, and is not meant to cause offence, although I can understand that those with coronary problems may not find it amusing. These days, almost every age seems to be a dangerous age, at least for men.

As to the bifurcation, I can also suggest that it be done as two awards, one for the young, one for the old. However, I cannot imagine that even those of eighty-or-ninety-plus will be pleased to hear that they have been awarded this year's Sangitha Kalanidhi For An Old Person!

(no offence to the elderly. Even though some of you have 50% more lifetime to your credit than I do, I have still reached an age where "elderly" is no longer something over a far off horizon)

[hnbhagavan]

I think it is not necessary to dilute the award.SK award each year generates interest and expectations.I suggest,it should be left like that.But increasing the award to many will dilute its importance.My suggestion is to just have two SK award - one for vocal and the other for instruments.Having for each state is not desirable.

[KNV1955]

Is it appropriate to say the bhavam in Jesudas, Somu, Sirgazhi, Kunnakudi music was excessive. Cho once asked Sivaji Ganesan as to why does he overact. Sivaji demonstrated by acting with controlled emotions & the same scene by over acting. He asked Cho which one he liked. Cho said he was superb with controlled emotions. He said that is why I overact. If I cater to your taste only people like you would see my movies. Common (pamara makkal) wants everything exaggerated. My father used tell Adhi Bhavam vendam. (Do not resort to excessive bhavam). He will say "When you sing you should not melt , the listener should melt listening to your music". I suppose that is the right measure of bhavam. KNV

[PUNARVASU]

He will say "When you sing you should not melt , the listener should melt listening to your music". I suppose that is the right measure of bhavam. KNV[/quote]

KNV, my Guru, Shri P. N. Krishnamoorthy, always used to refer to this statement of your father.
How true it is!

[arasi]

KNV (good to see you posting again!) and Punarvasu,

Agreed, up to a point.
Yes, KVN was the epitome of contained bhAvam, and he could make his audience melt while they listened to him. Yet, I cannot imagine most of others (let alone reaching his heights) going by that rule and not ending up with being a bit tame in their performance.

Each musician puts a stamp on his/her music, and that's what makes us listen to Chembai, Ari, GNB, MSS, MLV, DKP and others at different times. Expressive-most or contained as they come. If all music sounds the same, we may not go to listen to music that frequently.

I can hear Somu and listen in wonder how he emotes the way he does. Then I can listen to DKP and be awed by her serenity 'and' bhAvam. Most of us can't survive on a diet of sameness in music,is how I feel.

When it comes to Sivaji, some dismissed him his his art as 'over acting', and yet saw his movies! panDitharum pAmararum (the knowledgeable and the groundlings) admired his craft. And who said Sivaji could not express subtle feelings while acting? His taking on larger than life characters in myth and history is one reason he is considered to be a melodramatic actor!

So, we need Sivajis, Sahasranamams (a subtle actor) and all other actors of different ranges and personalities in the arts. CM is no exception...

[venkatakailasam]

Dr. VKV has started the thread in good faith..Interalia indicating the broad parameters
that can go in to the selection giving room for modifying it..

With in this parameters, he requires to find the Artists who are eligible for SK..

This list can neither be exclusive nor inclusive…always susceptible of alterations..

The discussions had so far by and large been on these lines..
His post #47 refers..

I am also having the fear that it may digress…

I feel bringing in people exterior to CM may not be necessary.

Two things to my mind are important while taking about ‘Bhava’ the most essential criteria...

1) The Bakthi bhava which forms the essential part of the compositions by all the composers.
If adequately brought out by the artists, can ‘melt’ the listener to the point of bringing tears..

2) The other one is Raga Bhavam which will reveal the ‘ vidvat’ of the artists..which will
bring ‘Ah’ and applause from the listeners..

If both are combined in good and adequate measure, I think, it makes the Artists eligible for the award..

At this point, other parameters can come in to play..

t may be infructuous to consider other parameters ...before eligibility as above is established..

[cacm]

NICE POST with several good points. I am noting down all the suggestions & views EXPRESSED in this forum & hope to come up with a list of evaluation criteria against which I hope to score some past s.k.s& present contenders" & discuss a few other "verifiable" rumours(?) reg. the "activities" or "politics" of trying to get the title. VKV

[hnbhagavan]

One name instantly comes who has been awarded SKA is Madurai GS MANI.But I have not got any response from the Rasikas.

[arasi]

VKV,
Great! You give us the indication that you are working on it, taking into consideration some worthwhile suggestions you have from rasikAs.

hnbhagvan,
If you go back and read the old discussions and reviews in Rasikas.org, you will know how much G.S.Mani's music and compositions are admired here...

[pattamaa]

regarding ponbhairavi's suggestion, this is a very good idea, i love it. but, it will be very hard to get some artists perform with some other! so, some combination had to be ruled out.. but, this is worth trying...

[KNV1955]

Arasi I fully agree with you.

KNV

[mohan]

One name instantly comes who has been awarded SKA is Madurai GS MANI.But I have not got any response from the Rasikas.

I am sorry to disagree but I think there are many more worthy musicians than Madurai GS Mani.

[thanjavooran]

A famous ' MUDHU MOZHI ' comes to my mind.

"Show me the man will tell you the rules "

Thanjavooran
18 08 2013

[arasi]

Thanjavooran,

[cacm]

MY CRITERIA FOR SELECTION OF SANGITHA KALANIDHI
I feel that to even survive professionally in Carnatic Music as an artist one has to be well above average and prove their abilities and skills beyond any reasonable criteria.The bar is indeed high for any one to be even considered. By the same token NO ONE so far has been perfect .....Here is a quick list (to be added on to based on suggestions by others) against which I hope to discuss the various Sagitha Kalanidhis I knew and know in due course.
1) Musical Pedigree including Gurus ETC.
2) Extra-ordinary talents early on and other indications.
3)Musical training, technical skills etc.
4) Public and Critical Acceptance.
5) Unique Contributions in their Speciality (like voice, instrument etc) involving Carnatic music and its related activities involving world music.
6) Communication Skills.
7) Critical opinions of contemporary artists and QUALIFIED PROVEN CRITICS( NOT JUST ANY CRITIC WRITING IN HINDU ETC- TODAY'S NORM).
8)NOW A DAYS, INTERNATIONAL COLLABORATIONS WITH WELL KNOWN ARTISTS, COMPOSERS, GENRES ETC.
9) Own Compositions etc.
10) Overall Stature.
I HAD WRITTEN THE ABOVE LIST WITH REQUESTS FOR IMPROVING IT. BASED ON THE RESPONSES I AM REVISING IT WITH THIS NEW LIST WITH POINTS FOR EACH CATRGORY ADDING TO A TOTAL OF 100. I WILL STICK TO THIS LIST & POINTS FOR EACH CATEGORY. I REQUEST OTHERS TO EITHER USE THIS LIST OR COME UP WITH THEIR OWN LIST & GIVE THEIR ASSESSMENTS, REASONS ETC BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF THE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE TOTAL NUMBER IS 100 SO WE CAN COMPARE.
[update]THE NEW LIST[/update]
I am going to ASSUME that we look at the MUSIC produced by the musician and NOT the musician in various ways. Also it is mandatory that the musician has demonstrated LONGEVITY as demonstrated by enough performances on his/her part. With these caveats here is my list:
1. MUSICAL PEDIGREE: Divided into 3 categories GURUS, MUSICAL BACKGROUND, PROFESSIONAL LEVEL SISHYAS PRODUCED, ACTIVE ETC 3 EACH FOR TOTAL OF 9 POINTS.
2. EXTRA-ORDINARY TALENTS, INDICATIONS OF TALENTS, SUCCESSFUL BLOSSOMING OF TALENTS. 3 POINTS EACH FOR A TOTL OF 9 POINTS.
3. MUSICAL TRAINING RECEIVED, TECHNICAL SKILLS ACHEIVED, TECHNICAL SKILLS EXHIBITED. 3 POINTS EACH FOR A TOTAL OF 9 POINTS.
4. PUBLIC AND CRITCAL ACCEPTANCE INCLUDING ABILITY TO INSPIRE NEW GENERATION OF RASIKAS. 3 POINTS EACH FOR A TOTAL OF 9 POINTS.
5. UNIQUE CONTRIBUTIONS TO CARNATIC MUSIC, THROUGH THEIR MUSIC, ACTIVITIES, OTHER AREAS OUTSIDE OF THEIR NORMAL AREAS OF EXPERTISE IN
INDIA AS WELL AS GLOBALLY. 3 POINTS EACH FOR A TOTAL OF 9 POINTS.
6. COMMUNICATION SKILLS, ABILITY TO CONNECT, WILLINGNESS TO CONNECT. 3 POINTS EACH FOR A TOTAL OF 9 POINTS.
7. CRITICAL OPINION OF CONTEMPORARIES WHO ARE "KNOWLEDGEABLE" INCLUDING FELLOW ARTISTS, RASIKAS, AND CRITICS. 3 POINTS EACH FOR A TOTAL OF 9 POINTS.
8. KNOWLEDGE&EXPERTISE(OR) AT LEAST UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMPOSITIONS IN MAJOR SOUTH INDIAN LANGUAGES RENDERED TO PROJECT THE MOODS, MEANING ETC PROPERLY. 3 POINTS EACH FOR A TOTAL OF 9 POINTS.
9. COMPOSITIONS OF KRITIS, PALLAVIS, JAVALIS ETC. WHICH NEEDS EXPERTISE! TOTAL OF 9 POINTS.
10. OVERALL STATURE IN THE FIELD AS DETERMINED BY THE PERSON WHO SCORES. TOTAL OF 9 POINTS.
11. THINGS MISSING IN THIS LIST CALLED "INTANGIBLE" ASSETS OF THE MUSICIAN. TOTAL OF 10 POINTS.
TOTAL MAXIMUM SCORE: 100
I AM PLANNING TO USE THE ABOVE UPDATED NEW LIST FOR MY OWN EVALUATIONS. PLEASE USE THIS LIST OR YOUR OWN LIST BUT PLEASE COME UP WITH YOUR SCORE FOR A POSSIBLE MAXIMUM TOTAL NUMBER OF POINTS OF 100. VKV

[cacm]

I am curious myself what scores I am giving each of the GREAT ARTISTS we are fortunate to have in our midst or in the recent past.......
I am starting with RAVI KIRAN MY CANDIDATE FOR NEXT YEAR'S SANGITHA KALANIDHI. I am going by just the numbers in the UPDATE: NEW LIST (My post#94).
1. 3+3+3= 9
2. 3+3+3= 9
3. 3+3+3= 9
4. 3+3+3= 9
5. 3+3+3= 9
6. 3+3+3= 9
7. 3+3+3= 9
8. 3+3+3= 9
9. 3+3+3= 9
10. = 8
11. = 9 FOR A TOTAL OF 98 OUT OF A POSSIBLE 100. (Of course having lived in the USA since 1959 & taught as well as scored many tests as professor etc my Grading Scheme is a typical scheme used here).
VKV

[cacm]

As our fellow forum member cmlover spent lots of time polling&presenting results on this year's S.K. I thought it would be interesting to score this choice. Incidentally every 10 years lately the committee appears to choose a woman after a flurry in the case of the women's trinity and brinda....Except Vedavalli's choice in 2000 the others have provoked disappointment and dismay in the case of many rasikas. The choice of Mani Krishnaswamy and Bombay Sisters elicited disappointing reactions and the current choice also does not appear to fall far behind those.....So here goes:
1. 2+1+1=4
2. 1+1+1=3
3. 3+1+1=5
4. 2+2+2=6
5. 1+1+1=3
6. 2+2+2=6
7. 1+2+2=5
8. 2+2+2=6
9. DO NOT KNOW OF ANY PERFORMED IN CONCERTS. SO, I GIVE 1+1+1=3
10. 6
11. 5 TOTAL: 52
I intend continuing this in future posts evaluating and comparing yester year giants, their disciples and their impacts as well as certain historical facts regarding the academy and its various actions in the arena of S.K.Choices... VKV

[mohan]

VKV - the way you have scored Sudha Ragunathan v Ravikiran shows much subjectivity and bias. This is a pointless exercise that does not warrant further discussion. I urge the moderators to close / delete this thread

[cacm]

Dear Mohan,
I am only ONE of all the members in this forum. I URGE YOU TO COME UP WITH YOUR OWN SCORES BASED ON CRITERIA YOU FEEL IS CORRECT. JUST BLAMING ANOTHER ONE OR CLOSING DOWN IS NOT THE ANSWER. I DO NOT CLAIM EITHER LACK OF SUBJECTIVITY OR BIAS THO' I CAME UP WITH THESE CRITERIA TO MAKE IT OBJECTIVE. INCIDENTALLY MY SCORING AS WELL AS CHOICE OF PERSONS IS NOT TO COMPARE ONE VERSUS ANOTHER. IF THIS THREAD IS NOT CLOSED I HOPE TO SCORE MANY MORE MUSICIANS.I AM JUST TRYING TO SCORE EACH MUSICIAN. INCIDENTALLY MANY PAST GREAT ONES SCORE POORLY IN THE SCHEME I AM PROPOSING BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH RELEVENCE TO TODAY'S REQUIREMENTS NOT THEIR ABLILITIES OR SKILLS. PL DONT THINK I AM TYPING IN CAPS BEC I AM NOT HAPPY.VKV

[mohan]

The exercise in scoring or attributing numbers to subjective criteria is merely a way of trying to legitimize an inherently biased process. It is obvious from your scores that you have not listened much to concerts by Smt Sudha Ragunathan (this is evident by your comment under point 9.) Hence, you are not even entitled to rate such an artiste.

VKV - not sure why are you typing in all caps?

[cmlover]

This is an open democratic Forum.
Every one is welcome to share their personal views right or wrong as long as they are not offensive.
Again difference of opinion and a decent debate is always welcome...
<Moderator>