Sliding Up - a new series of free-style articles that Deccan Chronicle has commissioned Chitravina Ravikiran to write, starting today...
Sliding up A mantra named C.I.D....(Content, Intent and Delivery)
N. Ravikiran..
Read it at ....
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CID....... Chitravina Ravikiran
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arasi
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VKailasam,
He CID it--I mean, said it!
Can't wait to read the following ones.Kindly post them too.
Someone who has it all in abundance--a genuine artiste, that's Ravikiran. His stature as a musician grows and grows...
Hope he and U. Srinivas are going to present a few more concerts in the future together--one during the season too. There is another thread mentioning their concert in Chetpet...
He CID it--I mean, said it!
Can't wait to read the following ones.Kindly post them too.
Someone who has it all in abundance--a genuine artiste, that's Ravikiran. His stature as a musician grows and grows...
Hope he and U. Srinivas are going to present a few more concerts in the future together--one during the season too. There is another thread mentioning their concert in Chetpet...
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Rsachi
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Folks,
I have been meaning to share some thoughts and this CID story gives a great context.
Often we hear of immensely talented 'pre-teens' being launched by family and friends as great finds on YouTube and in mini concerts. Lots of well-wishers go gaga. Impartial critics would be careful not to overpraise but to doting parents every small positive comment needs to be framed in gold whereas negatives are either not heard or remembered. In all this, the role of the teacher gets somewhat minimised.
Remember we are a nation burdened with myths of born-to-win child gods.
I think if a 'pre-teen' deserves encouragement, he or she even more needs great teaching. A true teacher does not praise easily, does not give up easily, does not let go of his ward easily. To imbibe the truth of CID, we need to surrender to a true 'guru'.
I think the role of the parent should take a back seat during those key years of gurukula vaasa. I don't mean hostelry. I also am not big on Skype stuff. We do need physical presence, the right atmosphere to breathe in the lessons and observe and learn.
A stage comes when the Guru launches the student. A good teacher even at the the arangetram would make sure superlatives are not brandished about the debutant. He makes sure it is only a beginning of the CID journey.
Yes, CID is not a degree to be earned. It is a daily journey. It is an attitude. And Ravikiran has phrased it perfectly, eventhough the acronym has associations of smoking pistols and mayhem.
So I say, Sri-gurubhyo namah.
Sachi R
I have been meaning to share some thoughts and this CID story gives a great context.
Often we hear of immensely talented 'pre-teens' being launched by family and friends as great finds on YouTube and in mini concerts. Lots of well-wishers go gaga. Impartial critics would be careful not to overpraise but to doting parents every small positive comment needs to be framed in gold whereas negatives are either not heard or remembered. In all this, the role of the teacher gets somewhat minimised.
Remember we are a nation burdened with myths of born-to-win child gods.
I think if a 'pre-teen' deserves encouragement, he or she even more needs great teaching. A true teacher does not praise easily, does not give up easily, does not let go of his ward easily. To imbibe the truth of CID, we need to surrender to a true 'guru'.
I think the role of the parent should take a back seat during those key years of gurukula vaasa. I don't mean hostelry. I also am not big on Skype stuff. We do need physical presence, the right atmosphere to breathe in the lessons and observe and learn.
A stage comes when the Guru launches the student. A good teacher even at the the arangetram would make sure superlatives are not brandished about the debutant. He makes sure it is only a beginning of the CID journey.
Yes, CID is not a degree to be earned. It is a daily journey. It is an attitude. And Ravikiran has phrased it perfectly, eventhough the acronym has associations of smoking pistols and mayhem.
So I say, Sri-gurubhyo namah.
Sachi R
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Nick H
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A different kind of CID: Constant Internet Delivery!Often we hear of immensely talented 'pre-teens' being launched by family and friends as great finds on YouTube...
Content, Intent and delivery... Ravikiran hits the nail on the head, and not just about music.
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Ramasubramanian M.K
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Rsachi: Right on!! Living in the US I see parents pushing their wards--most of the time vicariously enjoying the limelight that they regret missing in their youth--either due to lack of talent or opportunites.
The article is right on the money. I have my own formula to evaluate a concert--3 facets
WHAT IS THE ARTIST TRYING TO DO? HOW WELL DID HE'/SHE DO it? WHAT WAS THE EFFECT?
Obviously this is too vague and abstract to grasp caveat: Ultimately this is subjective but certain aspects are not subject to equivocation--example--Pitch perfection--why do we admire MMI and MSS,another example is clarity in the note or phrase--whether the briga or the Sangathi was rendered perfectly without any "slur" or "excessive flutter"--one does not have to overtly go looking for these flaws--you will know it when the execution was less than perfect and the effect will likewise follow.
In the karvais is there steadiness in the voice,breath control(trying to stretch the karvai beyond the capacity of the lungs and ending up in a fading "hiss"(it is tough to put down in writing these points--if there were a way to attach a demo clip to illustrate the point it would be better!!
Likewise in the rhythm facet,the 'well-rehearsed" Swara korvais--most of them cliched or stretched too far--these do not interest me as they are mere arithmetic whereas the "spur-of-the-moment" improvisation in a swara korvai would make me (Ramnad krishnan) sit up. Likewise in the case of an accompanist like LGJ or MSG who would grasp the intricate swara korvai just displayed by the vocalist and reproduce it-- sharpness and the capacity to execute(I have been dismayed by veteran accompanists both mridangam and violin--either due to indifference or lapses in concentration-- not "pick-up" what the vocalist just did or lazily attempt to replicate --missing the eduppu in the process and flashing a "victorious" smile trying to "sweep" the "miss" under the carpet !! What I have found irritating and insulting to audiences in NA when the visiting artist having erred will try to pretend as if nothing happened(afterall what do these NA audiences know?).
MS Amma always used to lament that the "critics" and detractors dismiss her pitch perfection in both the highest and lowest octaves as inconsequential--In the Wesleyan concert during their tour of the US in 1977 she sang Dharmavathi RTP before T Viswa and many knowledgeable rasikas--in the alapana she touches the lower Madhyamam
with the voice and the drone in unison. At the end of the concert in an impromptu chat Viswa comments on this perfection and points it out to his hordes of disciples--mostly Westerners-- stresses the adherence to the sruthi and the perfection of the traversing of the octaves that MSAmma displayed--needless to say MS Amma was pleased--high praise from a great fellow artiste.
Back to Ravi Kiran's article-- what deep insights,knowledge of the melody and the grammar of our Music.
As I have championed in this forum several times, in my opinion he deserves the Sangetha kalanidhi and higher Govt of India honors for the versatility and his ability--as the Americans say-- TO TALK THE TALK AND WALK THE WALK"!!
The article is right on the money. I have my own formula to evaluate a concert--3 facets
WHAT IS THE ARTIST TRYING TO DO? HOW WELL DID HE'/SHE DO it? WHAT WAS THE EFFECT?
Obviously this is too vague and abstract to grasp caveat: Ultimately this is subjective but certain aspects are not subject to equivocation--example--Pitch perfection--why do we admire MMI and MSS,another example is clarity in the note or phrase--whether the briga or the Sangathi was rendered perfectly without any "slur" or "excessive flutter"--one does not have to overtly go looking for these flaws--you will know it when the execution was less than perfect and the effect will likewise follow.
In the karvais is there steadiness in the voice,breath control(trying to stretch the karvai beyond the capacity of the lungs and ending up in a fading "hiss"(it is tough to put down in writing these points--if there were a way to attach a demo clip to illustrate the point it would be better!!
Likewise in the rhythm facet,the 'well-rehearsed" Swara korvais--most of them cliched or stretched too far--these do not interest me as they are mere arithmetic whereas the "spur-of-the-moment" improvisation in a swara korvai would make me (Ramnad krishnan) sit up. Likewise in the case of an accompanist like LGJ or MSG who would grasp the intricate swara korvai just displayed by the vocalist and reproduce it-- sharpness and the capacity to execute(I have been dismayed by veteran accompanists both mridangam and violin--either due to indifference or lapses in concentration-- not "pick-up" what the vocalist just did or lazily attempt to replicate --missing the eduppu in the process and flashing a "victorious" smile trying to "sweep" the "miss" under the carpet !! What I have found irritating and insulting to audiences in NA when the visiting artist having erred will try to pretend as if nothing happened(afterall what do these NA audiences know?).
MS Amma always used to lament that the "critics" and detractors dismiss her pitch perfection in both the highest and lowest octaves as inconsequential--In the Wesleyan concert during their tour of the US in 1977 she sang Dharmavathi RTP before T Viswa and many knowledgeable rasikas--in the alapana she touches the lower Madhyamam
with the voice and the drone in unison. At the end of the concert in an impromptu chat Viswa comments on this perfection and points it out to his hordes of disciples--mostly Westerners-- stresses the adherence to the sruthi and the perfection of the traversing of the octaves that MSAmma displayed--needless to say MS Amma was pleased--high praise from a great fellow artiste.
Back to Ravi Kiran's article-- what deep insights,knowledge of the melody and the grammar of our Music.
As I have championed in this forum several times, in my opinion he deserves the Sangetha kalanidhi and higher Govt of India honors for the versatility and his ability--as the Americans say-- TO TALK THE TALK AND WALK THE WALK"!!
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cacm
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Drear M.K.R., LET ME ECHO, SUPPORT & CHEER YOUR VERY ASTUTE INCISIVE OBSERVATIONS & ESPECIALLY SUPPORT YOUR OPINION ABOUT RAVI KIRAN- THE ONE TRUE GENIUS OF OUR TIMES IN CARNATIC MUSIC TOWERING ABOVE ALL THE MEDIOCRITY PARADING AS GREATNESS LACKING DISCIPLINE AS WELL AS TALENT JUST PROJECTING THEIR PSEUDO-GREATNESS MOSTLY BY GIMMICKS & MARKETING. VKV
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Rsachi
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Dear MKR, Dr. VKV and others,
I personally think Ravikiran is steadily climbing and climbing the Mt. Everest of success. All honours, including SK, are his due and it is only a question of time.
I do believe he will get his SK sooner than later.
I personally think Ravikiran is steadily climbing and climbing the Mt. Everest of success. All honours, including SK, are his due and it is only a question of time.
I do believe he will get his SK sooner than later.
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tanapp
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What a wonderful article. It is as simple as "viLaiyum payir muLaiyile theriyum" kind of message, but very well articulated and above all quantified for why artist "A is better than B".
I am really thrilled, honored and blessed to learn Sir's compositions. Just learned the "SimhavAhini varnam" and "Ashtalakshmi Namostute" from SN. Already learned some rare Sanskrit compositions of Sri OV Kavi from SN and have been practicing. Miles to go..
I am really thrilled, honored and blessed to learn Sir's compositions. Just learned the "SimhavAhini varnam" and "Ashtalakshmi Namostute" from SN. Already learned some rare Sanskrit compositions of Sri OV Kavi from SN and have been practicing. Miles to go..
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venkatakailasam
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Sri. Chitravina Ravikiran ji and Sri. Mandolin U.Srinivas ji.
By: Bala's Clicks....
courtesy FB friend Bala's Clicks....images..
By: Bala's Clicks....
courtesy FB friend Bala's Clicks....images..
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arasi
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Mutual admiration--
Simply marvelous...
Simply marvelous...
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KSJaishankar
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Any reviews of the concert?
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venkatakailasam
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Good vs Great - the next article in my series for Deccan Chronicle...
http://www.dc-epaper.com/PUBLICATIONS/D ... tml?Mode=1
http://www.dc-epaper.com/PUBLICATIONS/D ... tml?Mode=1
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kvchellappa
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The link does not work:
http://www.dc-epaper.com/PUBLICATIONS/D ... tml?Mode=1
http://www.dc-epaper.com/PUBLICATIONS/D ... tml?Mode=1
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venkatakailasam
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yes..It is not working now...A couple of days back, I was able to read...
The link was Provided by him..
I have requested him , now
The link was Provided by him..
I have requested him , now