Help Required - RT Chari for TAG Archive

[askn]

Can anyone help with the email ID of RT Chari of TAG Center.
He has a a extensive collection that he has donated to the MA. These are available to listen only at the MA
Wondering if there a way to make this available to a larger audience , and would like to reach his regarding this
can email me directly at [email protected] as well

[vichu1947]

I don't know if RT Chari will make it available to all in any easy way. There can be copyright issues.

More importantly , there are vultures (a.k.a Music Labels) waiting for good quality music of dead artists and release them as commercial CDs without compensating the legal heirs of the dead artists.

I know 1 such instance where one such vulture had released one such recording as a commercial album. The main artist and violonist are no more but the mrudangist in that concert is a living artist. So the vulture decided to omit all accompanying artist names from the album cover. But the mrudangist's distinctive style is very evident from the recording as he is a leading mrudangam artist who has a huge following and a large number of students.

When this was brought to the notice of the mrudangist, he did confirm that he received NO compensation for the album release. He was also contemplating legal action, but since a judge can not identify a mrudangist by the style, he was advised that not only the case may be dismissed due to lack of evidence , it can also antagonise the vulture community for future album releases.

These are the vultures that take high moral and legal grounds on copyright, revenue loss etc etc

Pure hypocrisy.

[rajeshnat]

Vichu or anyone else
Just curious does Tag Archive of Academy have more notable collections than sangeethapriya put together , possibly they have few high quality here and there.

Also does Tag archive- Music Academy atleast publish the catalogue of what they have - not the actual music but atleast the songlist with artist list?

[cacm]

Rajeshnat,
All the M.A. & KGS & ANY SABHA of note in tamil nadu's recordings are circulating all over the place. There used to be M.A. Joint secy or something who used to give a recorded concert if one gave equivalent amount of spool tape. For example all the Sankara "KUPPAI CASSETTES" a few years back were pirated Cassettes from Singapore.They may not be original but the first or second copy. I find the discussion on COPYRIGHTS etc a good amusing discussion topic & many experts in legal system including the honourable justice is just whistling dixie. This is true of the concerts from 1945-85. VKV :-Q :-@ :-$

[vichu1947]

I find the discussion on COPYRIGHTS etc a good amusing discussion topic & many experts in legal system including the honourable justice is just whistling dixie. This is true of the concerts from 1945-85. VKV :-Q :-@ :-$

I had no idea what "whistling dixie" means, I looked it up and find the meaning to be: "to engage in unrealistically rosy fantasizing".

Thanks cacm for teaching me the phrase.

BTW, what cacm says is quite true. Chasing the copyright infringers is a wild goose chase. Western music market is quite huge , worldover and many many times bigger than CM music market. Still worthwhile has been achieved to stop any infringement. People exchange music through peer to peer sharing which is unstoppable. Also archives.org, though with a benign name, is a #1 http based music piracy site.

I met with an European musican/researcher recently who told me that there are millions of tracks of pirated Western music in archives.org . These will not come up in searches as the meta tags are intentionally cryptic but those who have the links can download and share with others. He himself has a big list of such links from archive.org with pirated Western music which he got from others.

In the name of "archiving", this site is being used to share illegal copies of music. But so far not one law suit against this site !!

If this is the case with Western Music, copyright violation in CM is negligible in revenue impact and courts won't waste time take up such cases actively.

Vichu or anyone else
Just curious does Tag Archive of Academy have more notable collections than sangeethapriya put together , possibly they have few high quality here and there.

Sorry, I don't know that. What I know is that SP has some 9000+ concerts cataloged , half of them , I guess, have decent quality.

[Rsachi]

What a good discussion.
Meanwhile, I used some intelligent search on GOG (good old google) got the number requested and sent ASKN.

[askn]

Thanks Sachi

Chasing the copyright infringers is a wild goose chase.

True.
A lot of sharing etc. happens mainly due to lack of availability / availability at reasonable prices. There is no point of any one railing about copyright infringement , unless they have made the music available & accessible first. Sadly , bemoaning happens without offering a solution

That said , IMHO , most people would prefer to use a service that is easy to use and gives then what they want , rather than "infringing" , provided it is available at a price point that is equal or less than the value of time / effort otherwise spent.

Full disclosure : I am part of the team that runs RadioWeb
The effort we are making to see how some of these archives can be made available. There is so much great music and history that is currently unavailable to most people.
Art and culture cannot flourish when locked in vaults or private lockers.

The issue around copyright arises because the artists rights are not being addressed adequately. If the artists derive a fair benefit for their music / recordings , am sure they would be more than happy to provide permission. All these archives are unavailable as people are unwilling to address this. On the other hand there is also mistrust on the artists side as many of them have been exploited / taken advantage of / taken for granted.

What we are trying to do is to make a ecosystem where there is a value propositions for all stakeholders , artists , listeners and service providers.

I don't mean this to be a sales pitch , but this is too close to my heart.
Support , thoughts, suggestions welcome !

Would appreciate it if some could share RT Chari's email ID

[VijayR]

The issue around copyright arises because the artists rights are not being addressed adequately. If the artists derive a fair benefit for their music / recordings , am sure they would be more than happy to provide permission. All these archives are unavailable as people are unwilling to address this. On the other hand there is also mistrust on the artists side as many of them have been exploited / taken advantage of / taken for granted.

I couldn't agree more! You have absolutely hit the nail on the head. Major kudos to your team for Radioweb's efforts to at least make a dent in this issue. :ymapplause:

[cacm]

I WISH AT LEAST THE DESCENDENTS OF POINEERS LIKE ARI, GNB, & SEVERAL OF THE GIANTS ARE TO SOME EXTENT COMPENSATED. BUT THE ONES GETTING COPIES ARE NOT WILLING TO " BROTHER SPARE A DIME" AS IT IS KNOWN IN USA. Even SHYAMA SATRI'S DESCENDENTS were HELPED THRU' EFFORTS OF CLEVELAND V.V.SUNDARAM. THE OTHER PERSON WHO DOES SOMETHING IS NALLI CHETTIAR. I encourage everyone to buy their Saris & jewellry at Nalli's or RKMV who actively contribute some of their earnings towards these causes. VKV

[vichu1947]

The effort we are making to see how some of these archives can be made available. There is so much great music and history that is currently unavailable to most people.
Art and culture cannot flourish when locked in vaults or private lockers.

I couldn't agree more! You have absolutely hit the nail on the head. Preserving for posterity and sharing of the knowledge codified in the various recordings of past and present is important for survival and betterment of CM. Thousands of tapes and spools are gradually getting degraded , locked in vaults or private lockers and along with that the music is also lost. Initiatives such as yours and sangeethapriya are the need of the hour. :ymapplause:

[cacm]

askn, If you write me at [email protected] I may be able to help. Do you have persons in USA who can send stuff to india? VKV

[askn]

VijayR & vichu1947 - Thank you !