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Kshetra Sangeetham this time on NAGAPATTINAM

March 1 , Saturday , 6 PM @ the Narada Gana Sabha Mini Hall .

There will be a talk on NAGAPATTINAM - history, temples, music and much more, by Dr. Chithra Madhavan . This will be followed by a concert by Dr. Vijayalakshmy Subramaniam and team , on compositions , hymns and verses on the famed temples of NAGAPATTINAM...

All are Welcome

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Wow - hope Saundararajam (Brindavana Saranga Muthuswamy Dikshitar) will be sung. This composition is both graceful and powerful in the same time.

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@Harishankar !

We gotta wait till March 1 - Saturday to know the songs and hymns Kshetra Sangeetham - Nagapattinam, would cover :) :) ;) --- ofcourse , Soundararajam is likely to be a part of the concert list - and yes, cannot agree more with you on what a lovely composition it is ! :)

On the same topic of songs, considering Nagapttinam is both a shiva sthalam and a divya desam (like a few other kshetras including Kanchi , Chidambaram ) , it offers for interesting research and variety on compositions and hymns that have been sung on the temples ....

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Competing with herself crossing the bar ...18 is a no. for the ultimate step (Pathinettam padi - but not yet the final destination for Dr. V.S -more to come) & 18 aam Perukku /Peru.It is rather taking all of us to the blissful experience of virtually visiting divine Kshetra through Music journey with her scholarly presentation in "spate" besides keeping a humble & low profile . :ymapplause:

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The progrm started at 18 15 hrs. Some of the interesting points noted are listed below.

Shri Krishnasamy of NGS
For such lec dems lot of research work is to be conducted. Selection of songs in different languages , ragas and composers, is most important. Details of Kshetram collected should be supported by authentic reference. As regards to Nagapattinam, the place will never get destroyed or damaged in spite of natural calamities viz cyclone, Tsunami etc. and proper authority exists for this statement. Smt Chithra madhavan is a very learned person with lot knowedge to deal this.

Chithra Madhavan

Pattinam is a suffix for a coastal town

Naga worshipped Lord Siva in this place and hence the name.

Greek Roman traveller of 200 AD in his book talks about few coastel towns viz Mylapore, Kaveripoom pattinam , Kanyakumari etc, in which Nagapattinam also finds a place

Kayarohaneswarar is the daity's name.

Out of 275 verses by Tamil Nalvar in praise of Siva temples, 265 kshetrams are in Tamilnadu. 195 are in Chola nadu. 120 are situated on the southern bank of Cauvery and Nagapattinam is on the south side.. Nagai is 82nd kshtram and Tamil Vell Meenakshi sundaram Pillai's Sthala puranam talks about this.

The main Daity's name Kayarohana Udayar. Appar, Sundharar and Sambandhar have sung in praise of Shiva.

The temple is identified as Neelayadhakshi amman temple only

Aripadha Nayanar a fisherman by birth and native of Nagai is also to be included in the list of Nalvar and he has also sung in praise of Shiva of this temple.

Nagai is one amongst the Saptha vidanga kshetram. Sizable kshetrams are in the limit of Tiruvarur.
Thiruvarur, Nagai, Thirunallaru, Thirukuvalai, Thiruvaimur and Thirumaraikadu are the Kshetrams with different forms of Nataraja. These statues of Nataraja are not chiseled to get the shape. Hence the name of Vidangar.

The temple has mottai gopuram both on the front and back

Nandhi is made out of sudhai [ Plaster ] looking straight at Kayarokanar

The temple tower is decorated with Lord Vishnu and Shiva statues in different forms

Temple has 5 Dhwajasthampams

Arunagiri has sung in praise of Lord Muruga of this temple

During Rajendra chola period this kshetram was known as Chola Kula valli pattinam.

The Sthala viruksham of this temple is Mango tree as in Kanchi Ekambareshwarar temple

The Vishnu temple is known as Sundara raja perumal.

Out of 11 Alwars, only Thirumangai Alwar visited this temple and done Mangala sasanam on this Perumal.

During 17th Century the temple gopuram was built by Jegula Nayakar

There was a Budhdha viharam in earlier days which served as a light house. When that vihara got damaged due to heavy storm and cyclone this tower was built as a replacement.

The Garuda statue on the Thayar sannadhi Gopuram is a unique one with wings and legs.
There is also a Garudi statue made out of sudhai plaster in the gopuram.

Parasa tree is the Sthala viruksham. This particular tree has lot of medicinal values.

Sri Vijaya an emperor requested Raja Raja cholan to build a budha viharam for his ambassadors for offering prayers.

Lord Shiva, Vishnu and Budda are associated with Nagapattinam.

The enire lecture was supported by visual slides.

The concert started at 19 00 hrs.

Vanajakshi Varnam Kalyani Ramanad Srinivasa Iyengar

Neelayadhakshi Suprabadham Boopalam

Neelayadhakshi Paras S.S N and S

Soundarajam Asraye Birundavana Saranga MD R

Bhiravi R



My observation

The entire lecture was in simple english supported by slides.
Chithra Madhavan is a very learned person and her references were all very apt. As usual I could not listen to Dr VS's concert fully as I have to travel deep north chennai. Birundavana saranga delineation was very pleasing and violinst's reply was good. The hall was full with young faces too. Sizable audience left immediately after the lecture. I presume this is due to other programme in the main hall. My repeated and humble request to organizers. Why can not such interesting and educative progms be arranged in the morning slot when most of the audience are senior citizens? i would have omitted some important points and invite corrections. As the song list is not complete request to furnish the balance.

Thanjavooran
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Thank you for that report!
thanjavooran wrote: There was a Budhdha viharam in earlier days which served as a light house. When that vihara got damaged due to heavy storm and cyclone this tower was built as a replacement.
The Buddha vihAram where Ponniyin Selvan recovered from malaria that he contracted in Sri Lanka (in Kalki's historical novel)?

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Yes Ravi, the chudamani viharam

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It was a wonderful&scholarly concert preceded by an equally wonderful & scholarly presentation by Dr CM. BTW She said it is Chulamani Vihara and not Chudamani.

The songs :
1. Vanajakshiro - Kalyani Varnam
2. Neelaayataakshi Suprabhatam - 1 stanza - Bhupalam
3. Neelaayataakshi - Shyama Shastri - Paraju (N,S)
4. Soundararajam Ashraye - MD- Brin. Saranga (R)
5 Nee aruLaayo taaye Neelaayataakshi - Ponniah Pillai - Bhairavi (R)
6. Pathur pukkirundu ( Sundarar Tevaram )- Viruttam in Devagandhara
7. Kaayaarohanesham - MD - Devagandhara
8. Amba Neelaayataakshi - MD - Neelaambari
9. Tirumangaiyalwar Pasuram - 2 verses

I unfortunately had to leave after this. So request HR to complete the list.

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A lovely list..have not heard many of these...
Who is the composer of the suprabhAtam?

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Thirumangai Ashwar Pasuram was set in Amirthavarshini two out of ten verses on His Sundara vadivam -unparalleled beauty in this Kshetram. I liked the pause in a sangathi"Acho" .
Karma me Balavantamaya talli kayarohana Jaaya -Misra chapu-Thiagaraja.-Saveri. It was reported that Thiagaraja was feeling sad when he had visited Nagapattinam .(There was a mention of what We call Tsunami today &it is Ambal who rescued the city from the effects. similar mention also found in Dikshidhar kriti) "Is karma so powerful? So binding? your grace alone is wealth." He asks.
The words Akilaloka sakshi &sakala lokasakshiney occur in Dikshidhar &Thiagaraja kriti respectively.
Tirupugazh set in Yaman Kalyani Vizhudadenave.with touchy words yezhuda Marai ma muduve vadive.
She signed off with Thevaram of Tirugnana sambanthar set in Surati "Punayum virikonrai" .....Karaiya uruvagi Kali Vaan adaivome...

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The Vishnu temple is known as Sundara raja perumal.
SoundararAja, as others have posted, is the right name of the nAgapaTTinam deity. SundararAja is the deity enshrined in mAlirunjOlai near madurai, and DikSitar has sung of him in the KAshirAmakriyA masterpiece srIsundararAjam.

Vanajakshi Varnam Kalyani Ramanad Srinivasa Iyengar


This is a common misattribution. the varnam is by the famous nAgaswaram vidvAn 'rakti' VeerusAmi piLLai, who was from Nagapattinam, and has dedicated some of his varnams to 'nAgapuramuna velayu SaundararAju'..
The words Akilaloka sakshi &sakala lokasakshiney occur in Dikshidhar &Thiagaraja kriti respectively.
and in the shyAma shAstri song - 'nIlAyatAkSi nIvE jagatsAkSi'..

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SoundararAja, as others have posted, is the right name of the nAgapaTTinam deity. SundararAja is the deity enshrined in mAlirunjOlai near madurai, and DikSitar has sung of him in the KAshirAmakriyA masterpiece srIsundararAjam
@ Keerthi ---- i didnt understand the above line --- can you clarify ? are you saying it is NOT the right name of the deity in Nagapattinam ?

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thanjavooran wrote:
Aripadha Nayanar a fisherman by birth and native of Nagai is also to be included in the list of Nalvar and he has also sung in praise of Shiva of this temple.

Nagai is one amongst the Saptha vidanga kshetram. Sizable kshetrams are in the limit of Tiruvarur.
Thiruvarur, Nagai, Thirunallaru, Thirukuvalai, Thiruvaimur and Thirumaraikadu are the Kshetrams with different forms of Nataraja. These statues of Nataraja are not chiseled to get the shape. Hence the name of Vidangar.

Thanjavooran
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Aripadha Nayanar? I have heard it as Eripattha Nayanar. But I am not going to argue that.

As to the Saptha Vitanka kshetrams, Gayathri Girish in her series Myriad Forms of Siva (reported here by CRama) said that the Somaskanda bronzes are the vitanka (un-chiseled) idols. Some websites on Tiruvarur claim that the marakata lingams at these temples are the un-chiseled idols.

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Very nice song list by VS and also informative lec-dem from Chitra Madhavan.

Was the concert recorded by anyone? Also the lec-dem? Would be v nice if could be posted in youtube or sangeetapriya. Please

thanks
Harish

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satyabalu wrote:
It was reported that Thiagaraja was feeling sad when he had visited Nagapattinam .(There was a mention of what We call Tsunami today & it is Ambal who rescued the city from the effects. similar mention also found in Dikshidhar kriti)

...

The Deekshithar kriti is "Soundara rajam asraye" in Brindavani.

It contains the words "ambudhi garva nigraham" meaning, "He quelled the pride of the sea". Perhaps this is a reference to a tsunami in earlier times which might have damaged Nagappattinam but did not damage the Soundararaja Perumal temple.

So, is it Neelayathakshi or Soundararaja Perumal who saved Nagappattinam from the tsunami?

We can have a nice Saivite-Vaishnavite debate on this matter! :-BD :))

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The ambiance looked meditative with her focus on diction correct kalapramanam (all on slow tempo befitting the nos.selected ) and an excellent sruti alignment enhancing the aura .may I suggest to fit the font in the display screen in such a way all can read through without changing their postures esp., the last 2 lines .However, one must acknowledge that the organisers have improved on the stage arrangement.

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Shri harimau,
Many thanx for the corrections. I do have hearing problem besides poor eye sight, and hence the change in the Nayanar's name. As regs to Nataraja , yes it should be Somaskanda moorthy only. ThanQ once again. Any other corrections most welcome.
with wishes,
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Thanks for the complete song list.

It is Ati-patha Nayanar . Story in
http://www.dlshq.org/download/nayanar.htm#_VPID_45

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harimau wrote:So, is it Neelayathakshi or Soundararaja Perumal who saved Nagappattinam from the tsunami?
We can have a nice Saivite-Vaishnavite debate on this matter! :-BD :))
Or, perhaps an example of siblings teaming up! :)

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> The Deekshithar kriti is "Soundara rajam asraye" in Brindavani.
I have seen this in some references (I believe my KrithiBook app also has it as such) but the raga mudra brindavana saranga is there in the pallavi of the krithi itself. Perhaps the confusion may be due to the differing raga lakshana (use of g2?) being used for the raga by differing schools in the past i.e. nowadays brindavana saranga is s r m p n3 s | s n p m r s, while use of g2 is labelled as nowadays as brindavani (??).

Arun

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1. HR, All I said is that SaundararAja is the deity of NagapaTTinam, while SundararAja [aka SundarabAhu] is the deity of mAlirunjOlai or Azhagarkoil. I hope you noticed the difference in the names.


2.
So, is it Neelayathakshi or Soundararaja Perumal who saved Nagappattinam from the tsunami? We can have a nice Saivite-Vaishnavite debate on this matter!
a. Shouldn't it be shAkta-vaiSNavite debate.

b. There may not be enough grist for the debate mill for the following reason - While dikSitar explicitly refers to saundararAja's exploit of subduing the ocean, 'ambudhi-garva-nigraham', tyAgarAja's reference to the ocean is very poignant. While he has two songs on nIlAyatAksi, evaru teliyaka bOyeru (tODI) and Karmame balavantamAya (sAveri), the latter alone has an allusion to the ocean. Unfortunately the caranam referring to the ocean is never sung, and the last (mudrA) caranam 'kAsAsa leni' is most prevalent.

The 2nd caranam goes -

vAridhi madi garvinci I | vasudhaku tA rAnenci ninnu ||
sAreku kani tala vanciyuNDu | dhIra tanamu kalgu ninu poDagAncinA|| karmame balavantamAye..

Which translates to 'When the ocean was filled with pride, and decided to enter this land; he saw You standing there, resolute/brave' (and yet) Destiny is all powerful..

The implication here is that, despite seeing NIlAyatAkSi standing there, all intrepid, that the ocean entered the land, is a sign of inexorable fate. I interpret this as tyAgarAja's lament about whatever natural disaster he saw at NagapaTTinam, rather than as a praise of nIlayatAkSi's prowess in controlling the ocean.


3. Arun - Brindavani and brindAvana sAranga

Perhaps the confusion may be due to the differing raga lakshana (use of g2?) being used for the raga by differing schools in the past i.e. nowadays brindavana saranga is s r m p n3 s | s n p m r s, while use of g2 is labelled as nowadays as brindavani (??).

It is knottier than that.

The tyAgarAja krti 'kamalAptakula' and paTnam's 'sarasIruhAna srIrAma' only use n2, and have g2 as an anuswara used often in the pmr/(g)s. This confirms with SubbarAma dikSitar's notation of saundararAjam, only he uses g2 more explicitly in phrases like r-r/gr for 'saun-da-ra' and a beautiful tAra sthAyi r/gr for 'ambudhi'; lending a much more textured flavour to the rAga.

Subbarama diksitar however, has used the name brindAvani since that is the name given in the srIragam lakSana gitam, [there is no laksaNa slOkam of the venkaTamakhin pedigree for brindAvani]. He says that the 'sampradAyam arindavargaL' call it brindAvana sAranga.

The gitam given in the SSP uses only srmpns/snpmrs, and dikSitar has commented about how the gita doesn't demonstrate all the sancaras properly. Since the gitam is dedicated to tyAgarAja of tiruvArur, it may be a composition of some older musician from Sahaji's or Tulajaji's court.

The version with very, very sparing use of ga must have been established by Subbarama dikSitar's time, because the lovely song 'kamalAsanAdi pujita-pAdah' of the Ettendra king [which was most likely tuned by Subbarama dikSitar]has only one instance of the gandhAra.

The brindAvani/brindAvana sAranga with the kAkali N3, in my opinion emerged only in the second quarter of the 20th century, through one variant each of the songs 'rangapuravihAra' and 'kamalaptakula'. Balamuralikrishna's tillAna further popularised this version of the rAga.

This version may have emerged due to increased exposure to the North Indian Khyal treatment of BrindAvani sArang, which uses n3 in the ArOh and n2 in the avarOh. This is the most popular version of the rAga in circulation now, in the Carnatic concert sphere, with dozens of ranga! srIranga! brindAvana sAranga! type pallavis making the rounds.

We can take comfort in the fact the Pt. V.N. BhaTkhaNDE, too has discussed the confusion between brindAvani [the 2 nishada variety] and madhmAd sArang [very close to dikSitar's brindAvana sAranga].

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Thanks Keerthi!

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@ Thanjaavooan -
Out of 275 verses by Tamil Nalvar in praise of Siva temples, 265 kshetrams are in Tamilnadu.....
guess you meant - 'Out of the 275 Kshetras or Paadal Petra Shaiva Sthalams ..... is that right ?
The hall was full with young faces too. Sizable audience left immediately after the lecture
As far as I noticed, the hall was fully occupied when the concert started, and remained quite full , well into the concert ...

Dr. Chithra Madhavan in her talk explained the meaning of the word 'Neelayatakshi' beautifully .. the talk was supported with a very interesting slide show of photographs depicting specific details of the temples in Nagapattinam.

@Rshankar - I think the author of the Subrabhatam is Nagai Sri. Ramaswamy (not completely sure though). The Subrabhatam starts with the words "Poo virindu vasamidum Bhoopala neram ...." beautiful and simple words and Bhoopalam was a very apt choice by Dr. VS ,to tune the Suprabhatam...

The Bhairavi composition is a Swarajathi - a rare composition and not often heard ..

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