They had given us an assurance in the mail,however they have reneged on their promise and not withdrawn it on youtube.The six month time limit of youtube comes to an end the following week and if there is no traction we would be on our way out by the 30th,of course fear not we will bounce back.We are exploring alternative platforms but if the channel is taken down we are likely to lose about 600 videos (we have done 317 concerts webcast in 6 months,not a time to brag i agree but definitely wanted to say that here).vasanthakokilam wrote:Venkat, this SaReGaMa matter is much more serious than any conversation here, frivolous or otherwise.
One question: we went through the same thing during the last season and it was resolved after a few days of anxiety.
In what way this is different? That will help us decide on what course of action to take this time.
Shankar it is the same claim and same composer (Thygarajar). Guess no other alternative but to get a full time lawyer on board!rshankar wrote:Venkat - post their email ID here and we will all bombard their inbox with several (thousand) emails!
Nick - maybe it's time again for another one of your 'letters to the editor' campaigns!
(I assume this is the same, old, completely ignorant and arrogant claim of owning compositions that they have absolutely no right to, correct?)
If you do not have local copies of your videos uploaded to YouTube, then please set about downloading them all immediately. If I were still in IT management, I could never trust my data to a third party and still sleep at night. It doesn't matter if it is YouTube, Microsoft, or some unheard of upstart, things can still go wrong. "the cloud" is great for convenience, but for security it is just a very silly idea.We are exploring alternative platforms but if the channel is taken down we are likely to lose about 600 videos (we have done 317 concerts webcast in 6 months,not a time to brag i agree but definitely wanted to say that here).
Agreed, we did get carried on the convenience part,since the time to market was extremely easy.Some concerts esp senior vidwans we do have HD copy but many we dont.Personally I was/am a cloud evangelist but guess I will need to rethink.Nick H wrote: It doesn't matter if it is YouTube, Microsoft, or some unheard of upstart, things can still go wrong. "the cloud" is great for convenience, but for security it is just a very silly idea.
Very sorry to hear about this. I thought you had won this battle and it was behind you.
Streaming has been disruptive in nature, in just a matter of one year they have eaten into almost 33 1/3% of market share of album purchase/ownership downloads(if you look at the IFPI data).I however think that Streaming is tailor made for Carnatic music especially for many artists where the concert revenue is not a significant stream this ( even if it is a trickle now) is very important in the longNick H wrote:Venkat, I was just thinking, in the above exchange, that, although I don't see it as threat to live music (rajeshnat, I respect your point of view, and only hope it it wrong) I could see it as a threat to commercial recordings.
If they have noticed you, it means you are in their radar Great. If it was 2nd or 3rd (end of my billing month), I'd happily use up my broadband bandwidth to the max, but both Mrs Nick and I rely on internet a lot for both social life and entertainment.vasanthakokilam wrote:I will try to download a few gigabytes over the weekend. I will keep this post updated with what I have downloaded, as Nick has done to avoid duplicate work.
You tube lists them sorted, latest first, on the videos tab of the Parivadani channel. That's what I was working from.I could not figure out how to get all the video links in a sorted order by date ...
Sorry for the delay in reply,has been a crazy day with courts,labels et all- Kind of crazy and not something that we would like to do /prefer to do. YES every single one of them has been archived on the United States Internet Archive website.Nick H wrote:Can you confirm that the rest of us don't need to do any more, then please?
I know you are very hot, and rightly so, on having full agreement from artists, sabbas, etc, but a backup copy is just a procedural thing. It is available to the world, from YouTube, even to download if people want (although I guess you can turn that off?) so it is not as if that "extra" copy on your systems is useful to you or others,But have taken your advise seriously and have started recording them offline when we do the concerts broadcast(if the artist agrees)
.Amazon can be caused to care. Cloud? Just say no.balakk wrote:Amazon doesn't care what you put in there, as it's your private copy(with caveats
True this issue is not about TMK's knowledge of copyright, but there is an angle where the framing the issue matters a lot. It is tactical in nature.Well, we have had reason to call into question TMK's knowledge of copyright in the past, but that is not what this about now.
If I were an artiste, I would be extremely jittery about this. What about all the artistes who already consented to your videography on the premise that it was a free, livecast only? Did you specifically tell the artistes that even if you don't do a physical backup at the venue, every webcast gets stored permanently in the "cloud" whether it be YT or Amazon or whatever. And now, because you are afraid the channel will be taken down, you are encouraging people to download and store that same content. So, in effect, you and several others now have a recording of the concert. Not very straightforward I am afraid...parivadini wrote: YES every single one of them has been archived on the United States Internet Archive website.
But have taken your advise seriously and have started recording them offline when we do the concerts broadcast(if the artist agrees)
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If I were an artiste, I would be extremely jittery about this. What about all the artistes who already consented to your videography on the premise that it was a free, livecast only? Did you specifically tell the artistes that even if you don't do a physical backup at the venue, every webcast gets stored permanently in the "cloud" whether it be YT or Amazon or whatever. And now, because you are afraid the channel will be taken down, you are encouraging people to download and store that same content. So, in effect, you and several others now have a recording of the concert. Not very straightforward I am afraid...
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Hmmm, review necessary yes. I guess that there is ongoing conversation between Parivadini and artists.rupavathi wrote:If I were an artiste, I would be extremely jittery about this. What about all the artistes who already consented to your videography on the premise that it was a free, livecast only? Did you specifically tell the artistes that even if you don't do a physical backup at the venue, every webcast gets stored permanently in the "cloud" whether it be YT or Amazon or whatever. And now, because you are afraid the channel will be taken down, you are encouraging people to download and store that same content. So, in effect, you and several others now have a recording of the concert. Not very straightforward I am afraid...
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Qualification and experience levels are exaggerated in our Indian context.All we are looking for is a smart person who understands branding and has a reasonable exposure to carnatic music. Some one who could help us take Parivadini to the next level. The core vision for Parivadini is to give away music for free to rasikas,we realize that this is not possible without the support of advertisers and hence looking for some one who could help us in building this sales process.kittappa wrote:What qualificatons and experience levels do you expect? Is knowledge and experience with Carnatic music enough? Or are technical/managerial qualifications a must?
