Sangita Kalanidhi 2014 - who is it this time?

[munirao2001]

varsha Sir
Let me make attempt to clarify.

1. "We are discussing this as though The award will not be given from next year onwards" and "SK award will always have the disadvantage of being seen as given to a certain set who never deserved it." No Sir. Our postings are the expressions of appreciation, best wishes and our wish fulfillment only.

2. "Carnatic music is dying ..if not dead...." No Sir. Karnatik Music is on the threshold of reaching critical mass, Globally. To make that happen, the excellence in all the aspects of Karnatik Music as an art form, including critical factors of teaching, its practice and appreciation.

3. "Manodharma is an issue of community development" No Sir. The discussion is on kalpita. Kalpita saadhana only gives and enhances the manodharma.

4. "Easy way is the most preferred way". No Sir. It is one of the significant innovation to help the targeted students and practitioners. Success in quick learning, spurring the deep interest to seriously pursue the saadhana. We rasikas, should we not support the innovation and the innovator? With sahridaya, condone the statements of sweeping criticisms and expression of cynicism but express our disagreement and unhappiness.

5."There is only one way in music...". No Sir. The discussion with participation of Ravi Kiran and Sashi Kiran and others did inform the other ways. Yes the innovation not receiving its due attention and appreciation, the innovator resorts to aggressiveness. We, rasikas to get the benefit, must support all the initiatives with potential for higher achievement.

munirao2001

[varsha]

Nice to read that my fears were misplaced.
Thanks.

[msakella]

Dear brother-member, kvchellappa, I shall be very thankful to you if you kindly give me the reference in which he had given the reply to the points I have raised in my reference http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=23753. amsharma

[devan]

my vote is for abishek.if semmangudi can get it at 38 why not abishek at 28.because he may lose his voice ,.at the rate in which he is going .he is a genius.

[Rsachi]

My vote is for Master ABCD. He was born in 2006 in Nebraska and has learnt Carnatic music entirely on You Tube. His parents and neighbours are convinced he is going to create a storm in Carnatic music. He plays the pancharatna krithis on the native flute. His manasika guru is White Wolf.

[kvchellappa]

We can have 3 SKs in a year: tara SK up to age 30, madhyama SK 30-60; uccha SK 60 and above. That may perhaps ensure SK to anyone who has performed at least one katcheri. We can perhaps have another category of secular SK for those who oppose bhakti as the dominant theme of CM.

[Rsachi]

Madhyama, Tara, Mandara

[arasi]

Somehow folks, with this SK thing, it all sounds like ' we can't leave it alone' and 'we care two hoots about it' at the same time. If musicians look upon it as holy grail, it is understood. We 'tiNNaip pEchukkArargaL' (idle talk folks) needn't get worked up about it, is how I feel.

Sachi,
Loved the picture. Looks more like the Andes to me. By KVC's measure, he is madhyama sthAyi?

[venkatakailasam]

I have felt it from day one that it is an infructuous exercise....

creates only unnecessary acrimony....

Do we honestly feel that our views will be considered.....

While on the subject, why KJY is not considered while people are trumpeting for Abishek..a sub junior Artist?

[Nick H]

I have felt it from day one that it is an infructuous exercise....

creates only unnecessary acrimony....

Do we honestly feel that our views will be considered.....

Of course we don't! It could be the composition of a cricket team, next year's budget or even tomorrow's weather, we are going to discuss it, with much "If it were me, I would..." and "If it were me I would not..." Do we stop that just because we know that our real input into the situation is absolutely zero? Of course not!

I doubt that any of us believe that the MA will even notice our thoughts and ideas, but that isn't going to stop us talking about it. If anybody takes it a bit too seriously, and acrimony happens, then let them have their acrimony: we will still have our fun.

[kvchellappa]

Well said.

[kssr]

I have felt it from day one that it is an infructuous exercise....

While on the subject, why KJY is not considered

Thanks for , Sir,joining in the infructuousity

KJY (I guess , you mean Jesudas) will not be considered IMHO, as he is "basically" a playback singer who gives a few high profile concerts here and there. DISQUALIFIED. HA HA HA

[Nick H]

What's the old saying about the infructuous leading the infructuous? Or, err, something? )

I wonder... Is there anything that could be considered a "shortlist" like any section of the Academy season program? I'm sure the answer is no, as such a thing would have surely been spotted by eagle-eyed forum analysts long ago...

I also suspect that there may be a forum member or three who does have sort of influential connection with MA, but what gets whispered in private will, of course, never be admitted to in public, and such highly connected people, for same reason probably won't ever post to this thread. But... they might just read it

[rshankar]

What's the old saying about the infructuous leading the infructuous? Or, err, something? )

All I know is that too much of 'infructuous' is as bad as high fructose corn syrup!!

[arasi]

And the word seems to be highly infructuous--I mean, infectious, doc...

[Nick H]

It sounds like one of those title ceremonies. "We will now infruct Sri ......... with the title Sangeeta Etc." Or hotel. Or something.

Like investititititititure

[rshankar]

And the word seems to be highly infructuous--I mean, infectious, doc...

And the doc becomes fractious!

[venkatakailasam]

With my limited knowledge of English,

I can say that a word itself cannot be infructuous..while the context in which it is used may be so...

[Nick H]

I will plant some words in the garden and see if they fructify. Will let you know )

[arasi]

:-! This has nothing to do with the topic or with the word which caused a lot of excitement. It's just that some of us simply can't resist word play

Plant a pit in a little pit, Nick?
Do mesquites take root in 'Madras'?
Their sticky pods a boon or bane
To the pitiless mosquitos in town?
Quit they will, or 'unfruitful' the effort?

[Nick H]

mesquites, mosquites, everybody squites!

(Not as good as I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream)

[venkatakailasam]

So, with words ' infructuous " ' mosquites" and ' ice cream ',

the selection for 2014 is over...

[Nick H]

I was thinking the same.

Somehow, the usually hottest annual rasikas.org topic has, this year, been easily derailed.

Has enthusiasm and value for SK been so seriously reduced? Or could it be that we are in unusual unity over the three or four mentioned names?

[rshankar]

Has enthusiasm and value for SK been so seriously reduced? Or could it be that we are in unusual unity over the three or four mentioned names?

Perhaps everyone is channeling Doris Day - Que sera sera!

[Nick H]

Doris Day! What a beautiful voice! What clarity of diction! One of my all-time favourites.

Let's bring the possibility of posthumous SK back to the table... SK for Doris Day!

[arasi]

If Doris Day gets on the list, the 'fusion'ists who have been rejected, get back on the list again! So, contrary to what some of you think, the SK guessing game is still alive and ticking...

Of course, the top-listed ones this year are not hotly debated by rasikA's, since they seem to richly deserve the award...

[GNB_LGJ_PR]

I also suspect that there may be a forum member or three who does have sort of influential connection with MA, but what gets whispered in private will, of course, never be admitted to in public, and such highly connected people, for same reason probably won't ever post to this thread. But... they might just read it

This crossed my mind too while starting this thread.

Sachi sir - Now that we have close to two dozen names, request you to start the survey.

Cheers,
KK

[rshankar]

Nick and Arasi - you're cracking me up! You made my day!

[Nick H]

If Doris Day gets on the list, the 'fusion'ists who have been rejected, get back on the list again!

Quite the opposite. I don't think that Doris Day ever sang fusion! So get those fusionists off the list again!

Of course, the top-listed ones this year are not hotly debated by rasikA's, since they seem to richly deserve the award...

May be the case. But give or take a few awards given, and some very sad losses, the same pool of potential awardees is there, so it is a remarkable thing if we agree to shortlist but a few. Not to mention a waste of a month or three good arguing time

[arasi]

Agreed, Day had nothing to do with fusion--except in the words of the song

Seriously, we all agree on one thing:

What will be will be...
SK is not ours to see
Until they announce it
What will be, will be...

[venkatakailasam]

What about Shri RaviKiran??

APRIL 28, 2013

CHITRAVINA RAVI KIRAN IN FUSION CONCERT

"KK SUITE" (KALYANI-KEERWANI) PART ONE

RAVI KIRAN: CHITRAVINA
SARASWATHI RANGANATHAN: VEENA
MRIDANGAM: TRICHY SANKARAN
VIOLIN: AKKARAI SHUBHALAKSHMI
KANJIRA: K. V. GOPALAKRISHNAN
GUITAR: CARLO BASILE
ACOUSTIC AND ELECTRIC BASS: GREG NERGAARD

VIDEOGRAPHY:
DR. NAG RAO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVfx6m6FKIQ

[kssr]

" What about Shri RaviKiran??

APRIL 28, 2013

CHITRAVINA RAVI KIRAN IN FUSION CONCERT"

mmmmmm .... Occasional transgression is OK OK? That is now agreed. That way even so many Sangita kalanidhis of yester years and the latest one too have sung cinema songs and TV songs, which are not strictly carnatic. But question there is it "occasional" or regular ?

If it is regular deviation towards cinema or fusion or western then it is a big NO No. Jesudas, L.Subramanian, Sri. Vinayakaram ...well, I think doubtful.

[Nick H]

Agreed, Day had nothing to do with fusion--except in the words of the song

Seriously, we all agree on one thing:

What will be will be...
SK is not ours to see
Until they announce it
What will be, will be...
EssKay Sera Sera...

[venkatakailasam]

kssr...

Seems to be illogical..
Are you aware Suda Ragunathan has also done Fusion as also a play back singer?
TK Govindarao was also a play back singar..
not to speak of MSS, DKP, DKJ, MLV, MVI, GNB, and a host of others...
Many artists have performed and recorded in a number of cross-cultural projects...

As such, play back singing and fusion music are to be considered as additional qualification...

[arasi]

Someone who has enough musical treasure in him/her to be outstanding in CM is the prime qualification. For such an exercise outside of CM (to bring to light its merits to the outside world) is a good thing. In responsible hands, shall we say? Surely, the confusion sort of fusion, we are not talking about here!

VK,
I did not know that TKG sang in films. Yes, we should not forget that all those SKs you mention have taken CM outside its limited groups of listeners, thanks to them. Even the purist rasikAs cannot deny their delight in listening to their outside of CM context singing!

I'm also thinking how something like kAvaDi chindu-s found their way into a very traditional concert of old times.

Even paTTi thoTTis (villages) in India feel the impact of globalization today to a degree.

In the modern world, it's an added asset to be 'multitasking' with music! However, the quality and experience of the musician come first, to merit such an award...

Nick,
Yes, I like that

[venkatakailasam]

TKG:

His song 'Subha Leela...' in Nirmala, directed by P.V. Krishna Iyer in 1948, was the first song, that brought the technique of playback singing into Malayalam cinema while the song `Paaduka poomkuyile... sung by him and P.Leela was the first duet in Malayalam cinema.

http://movies.ndtv.com/regional/playbac ... way-134851

[vasanthakokilam]

Moved the TVG SK posts to a separate thread
http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23811
and made it sticky. Locking this thread ( at least temporarily ) so we post any messages related to his selection as SK there.